Why do airlines show movies on red eye flight.

[Peter L]

Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a movie.
Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have flown
other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie. Why? Let me
sleep in peace, please.

--
OK

[Jim Ley]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:51:36 -0700, "Peter L" >
wrote:

>Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
>brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
>settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a movie.
>Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have flown
>other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie.

because other people don't sleep, and they're interested in some
entertainment, some people don't sleep at all on planes, others might
be jet-lagged and it still be daytime to them.

Are you really so naive not to see the reason - how does the movie
distract you anyway? some loud popcorn muncher behind you or was it
the ice cream seller in the interval?

Jim.

[Not the Karl Orff]

In article >,
(Jim Ley) wrote:

> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:51:36 -0700, "Peter L" >
> wrote:
>
> >Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
> >brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
> >settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a movie.
> >Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have flown
> >other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie.
>
> because other people don't sleep, and they're interested in some
> entertainment, some people don't sleep at all on planes, others might
> be jet-lagged and it still be daytime to them.
>
> Are you really so naive not to see the reason - how does the movie
> distract you anyway? some loud popcorn muncher behind you or was it
> the ice cream seller in the interval?

sme fly the flickering of the lights on the screen rather distracting

[Tony Rice]

"Peter L" > wrote in
:

> Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
> brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
> settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a
> movie. Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night.
> I have flown other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a
> movie. Why? Let me sleep in peace, please.

Because not everybody can sleep on a redeye.

Why does the movie bother you? The light is minimal and sound shouldn't be
a problem either since everyone interested in the movie has headphones on.

Besides, movies are good for people who want to sleep because it keeps
people in their seats and not trapsing up and down the aisles.

[Jim Ley]

On Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:00:21 GMT, Not the Karl Orff >
wrote:

>sme fly the flickering of the lights on the screen rather distracting

Yes, I find flickering very distracting, but an eye-mask is easy
enough to prevent that, or even just a jumper wrapped round your head
if you forget.

Jim.

[Jenn]

In article >,
Not the Karl Orff > wrote:

> In article >,
> (Jim Ley) wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:51:36 -0700, "Peter L" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
> > >brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
> > >settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a movie.
> > >Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have flown
> > >other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie.
> >
> > because other people don't sleep, and they're interested in some
> > entertainment, some people don't sleep at all on planes, others might
> > be jet-lagged and it still be daytime to them.
> >
> > Are you really so naive not to see the reason - how does the movie
> > distract you anyway? some loud popcorn muncher behind you or was it
> > the ice cream seller in the interval?
>
> sme fly the flickering of the lights on the screen rather distracting

a cheap eyeshade should do the trick -

[Peter L]

"Jim Ley" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:51:36 -0700, "Peter L" >
> wrote:
>
> >Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
> >brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
> >settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a movie.
> >Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have
flown
> >other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie.
>
> because other people don't sleep, and they're interested in some
> entertainment, some people don't sleep at all on planes, others might
> be jet-lagged and it still be daytime to them.
>
> Are you really so naive not to see the reason - how does the movie
> distract you anyway? some loud popcorn muncher behind you or was it
> the ice cream seller in the interval?
>

I am tall enough that my eyes are above the head rest of the seat in front
of me. The movie screen is yet above that. The flickering light is very
distracting for someone trying to sleep. And for those people who needs
entertainment, there are a number of music channels, and they can read the
magazine from cover to cover.

> Jim.

[Peter L]

"Tony Rice" > wrote in message
...
> "Peter L" > wrote in
> :
>
> > Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
> > brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
> > settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a
> > movie. Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night.
> > I have flown other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a
> > movie. Why? Let me sleep in peace, please.
>
> Because not everybody can sleep on a redeye.
>
> Why does the movie bother you? The light is minimal

The flickering light is the most bothersome. People who want entertainment
in the middle of the night can read a book.

and sound shouldn't be
> a problem either since everyone interested in the movie has headphones on.
>
> Besides, movies are good for people who want to sleep because it keeps
> people in their seats and not trapsing up and down the aisles.

[Jim Ley]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:19:35 -0700, "Peter L" >
wrote:
>> Are you really so naive not to see the reason - how does the movie
>> distract you anyway? some loud popcorn muncher behind you or was it
>> the ice cream seller in the interval?
>>
>
>I am tall enough that my eyes are above the head rest of the seat in front
>of me. The movie screen is yet above that. The flickering light is very
>distracting for someone trying to sleep.

So a mask would be appropriate, and would not impose your needs on the
rest of the people.

>And for those people who needs
>entertainment, there are a number of music channels,

Some people may not find "music" entertaining.

>and they can read the magazine from cover to cover.

And the other 5 hours of the 5 hour flight?

Jim.

[mrtravel]

Peter L wrote:
>
> The flickering light is the most bothersome. People who want entertainment
> in the middle of the night can read a book.

People bothered by light should wear a mask.
It's a 4 hour flight.
How much time do you really have to sleep?

[Geoff Glave]

> Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have
flown
> other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie. Why? Let me
> sleep in peace, please.

If a movie wasn't going, many of the people who can't sleep in an airplane
(like me) would turn on the overhead light to read a book. If there is a
movie I will keep my light off. I assure you a few flickering movie screens
are much darker than half the reading lights on.

I would suggest the purchase of a sleep mask.

Cheers,
Geoff Glave
Vancouver, Canada

[Peter L]

"Jim Ley" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:19:35 -0700, "Peter L" >
> wrote:
> >> Are you really so naive not to see the reason - how does the movie
> >> distract you anyway? some loud popcorn muncher behind you or was it
> >> the ice cream seller in the interval?
> >>
> >
> >I am tall enough that my eyes are above the head rest of the seat in
front
> >of me. The movie screen is yet above that. The flickering light is very
> >distracting for someone trying to sleep.
>
> So a mask would be appropriate, and would not impose your needs on the
> rest of the people.
>

Or a book would be appropriate for those who need entertainment, which would
not impose their needs on the majority of the passenger on this particular
flight, who needs to sleep. I don't know where you get the impression that
most passengers wanted the movie, and that I was trying to impose my needs
on others. My casual look at people around me indicated that the
overwhelming majority wanted to sleep.

> >And for those people who needs
> >entertainment, there are a number of music channels,
>
> Some people may not find "music" entertaining.
>
> >and they can read the magazine from cover to cover.
>
> And the other 5 hours of the 5 hour flight?
>
> Jim.

[Peter L]

"mrtravel" > wrote in message
. ..
> Peter L wrote:
> >
> > The flickering light is the most bothersome. People who want
entertainment
> > in the middle of the night can read a book.
>
> People bothered by light should wear a mask.
> It's a 4 hour flight.
> How much time do you really have to sleep?
>

About 8 hours. It's a red eye. How much time do you sleep at night?

[Peter L]

"Geoff Glave" -r-g> wrote in message
news:Y0r7b.97726$kW.42403@edtnps84...
> > Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have
> flown
> > other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie. Why? Let
me
> > sleep in peace, please.
>
> If a movie wasn't going, many of the people who can't sleep in an airplane
> (like me) would turn on the overhead light to read a book. If there is a
> movie I will keep my light off. I assure you a few flickering movie
screens
> are much darker than half the reading lights on.
>

My casual observation was that way less than half the people couldn't go to
sleep. I would say that close to 90% of the passengers was trying to sleep.

> I would suggest the purchase of a sleep mask.
>
> Cheers,
> Geoff Glave
> Vancouver, Canada
>
>

[mrtravel]

Peter L wrote:
> "mrtravel" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>>Peter L wrote:
>>
>>>The flickering light is the most bothersome. People who want
>
> entertainment
>
>>>in the middle of the night can read a book.
>>
>>People bothered by light should wear a mask.
>>It's a 4 hour flight.
>>How much time do you really have to sleep?
>>
>
>
> About 8 hours. It's a red eye. How much time do you sleep at night?
>

I thought it was Sacramento to Chicago
That's less than 2000 miles. I am guessing about 1800-1900.
You must have been on a very slow plane.

[Jim Ley]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:10:50 -0700, "Peter L" >
wrote:
>Or a book would be appropriate for those who need entertainment, which would
>not impose their needs on the majority of the passenger on this particular
>flight, who needs to sleep. I don't know where you get the impression that
>most passengers wanted the movie, and that I was trying to impose my needs
>on others.

Do you want some sort of vote to take place first, most people are
able to sleep with a flickering light, being sensitive to movement is
not common to everyone (I am incidently, even the screen saver on my
mobile phone distracts me from working) So we are a minority, and you
are trying to enforce your view on what others should do, an eye mask
or a jumper around the head, is a simple step you can use to ensure
that you can sleep, you know this, don't impose yourself on others.

Jim.

[Peter L]

"Jim Ley" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:10:50 -0700, "Peter L" >
> wrote:
> >Or a book would be appropriate for those who need entertainment, which
would
> >not impose their needs on the majority of the passenger on this
particular
> >flight, who needs to sleep. I don't know where you get the impression
that
> >most passengers wanted the movie, and that I was trying to impose my
needs
> >on others.
>
> Do you want some sort of vote to take place first, most people are
> able to sleep with a flickering light, being sensitive to movement is
> not common to everyone (I am incidently, even the screen saver on my
> mobile phone distracts me from working) So we are a minority, and you
> are trying to enforce your view on what others should do, an eye mask
> or a jumper around the head, is a simple step you can use to ensure
> that you can sleep, you know this, don't impose yourself on others.
>

As you know, in this day and age, no airline passenger can impose anything
on anyone. I don't know where you get the idea that I want to impose
anything on anyone. I am complaining about this strange idea of showing a
movie in a red eye flight. On long international flights in my experience,
they don't show a movie during what usually constitutes sleep time for most
passengers. Nor do they wake you up for meals. Somehow on these long
international flights they get the idea that they should set aside a period
for passengers to sleep, at least try to sleep.

> Jim.

[Peter L]

"mrtravel" > wrote in message
. ..
>
>
> Peter L wrote:
> > "mrtravel" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >
> >>Peter L wrote:
> >>
> >>>The flickering light is the most bothersome. People who want
> >
> > entertainment
> >
> >>>in the middle of the night can read a book.
> >>
> >>People bothered by light should wear a mask.
> >>It's a 4 hour flight.
> >>How much time do you really have to sleep?
> >>
> >
> >
> > About 8 hours. It's a red eye. How much time do you sleep at night?
> >
>
> I thought it was Sacramento to Chicago
> That's less than 2000 miles. I am guessing about 1800-1900.
> You must have been on a very slow plane.
>

It's a 3.5 hour flight, started at 11:30 pm, sleep time for most people and
most of the passengers on this flight.

[Jim Ley]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:42:53 -0700, "Peter L" >
wrote:

>> So we are a minority, and you
>> are trying to enforce your view on what others should do, an eye mask
>> or a jumper around the head, is a simple step you can use to ensure
>> that you can sleep, you know this, don't impose yourself on others.
>
>As you know, in this day and age, no airline passenger can impose anything
>on anyone. I don't know where you get the idea that I want to impose
>anything on anyone. I am complaining about this strange idea of showing a
>movie in a red eye flight.

Which I think has been answered in that it's not strange, lots of us
enjoy a movie as we are unable to sleep - an 8 hour flight would
require 3 novels for me, along with my valuables (notebook camera
etc.) I've not got room for that in my dayback. So even though I
enjoy reading on a night flight, it's not that convenient, I've also
inconvenienced people sleeping next to me who don't like the light.
Watching the movie at least gives them a chance to get off to sleep.

> On long international flights in my experience,
>they don't show a movie during what usually constitutes sleep time for most
>passengers.

All international flights I've flown have done (well ignoring those
with PTV's of course)

Jim.

[mrtravel]

Peter L wrote:

>
>>>
>>>About 8 hours. It's a red eye. How much time do you sleep at night?
>>>
>>
>>I thought it was Sacramento to Chicago
>>That's less than 2000 miles. I am guessing about 1800-1900.
>>You must have been on a very slow plane.
>>
>
>
> It's a 3.5 hour flight, started at 11:30 pm, sleep time for most people and
> most of the passengers on this flight.
>

Then why did you someone say 8 hours.
How much sleep do you get on a 3 1/2 flight?

[mrtravel]

Peter L wrote:

> As you know, in this day and age, no airline passenger can impose anything
> on anyone. I don't know where you get the idea that I want to impose
> anything on anyone. I am complaining about this strange idea of showing a
> movie in a red eye flight. On long international flights in my experience,
> they don't show a movie during what usually constitutes sleep time for most
> passengers.

On long international flights that I have been on, they do show movies
during late night (local time) periods.

[Miguel Cruz]

Peter L > wrote:
> As you know, in this day and age, no airline passenger can impose anything
> on anyone. I don't know where you get the idea that I want to impose
> anything on anyone. I am complaining about this strange idea of showing a
> movie in a red eye flight. On long international flights in my experience,
> they don't show a movie during what usually constitutes sleep time for most
> passengers.

What's sleep time on a long east-west or west-east flight? Some people are
on origination time zone, others on destination zone, others working madly
to adjust.

The transpacific flights I've taken recently have all had personal video,
but on transatlantic flights there's usually a movie one or two hours into
it, which is the middle of any sleep one might hope to get. I actually find
that it helps me get to sleep if I'm marginally tired.

> Nor do they wake you up for meals.

A while ago I was on an airline (Virgin maybe) that gave people "yes, wake
me up for food" and "no, let me sleep" stickers to apply to ourselves.
Seemed like a great idea. Sometimes I wake up just after breakfast has been
served (or I woke up in anticipation of breakfast and dozed off while
waiting for them to make it to my row) and that makes me grumpy.

> Somehow on these long international flights they get the idea that they
> should set aside a period for passengers to sleep, at least try to sleep.

It's not kindergarten with forced nap time. Some people just can't get to
sleep and if they're bored and fidgety they're going to keep others up too
(opening the windowshades, walking around, etc.).

I think eyeshades are the only reasonable solution if you're bothered by the
light.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

[Peter L]

"mrtravel" > wrote in message
. ..
> Peter L wrote:
>
> >
> >>>
> >>>About 8 hours. It's a red eye. How much time do you sleep at night?
> >>>
> >>
> >>I thought it was Sacramento to Chicago
> >>That's less than 2000 miles. I am guessing about 1800-1900.
> >>You must have been on a very slow plane.
> >>
> >
> >
> > It's a 3.5 hour flight, started at 11:30 pm, sleep time for most people
and
> > most of the passengers on this flight.
> >
>
> Then why did you someone say 8 hours.

Because you asked "How much time do you have to sleep?" Well, about 8 hours
per night. On a 4 hour flight, I hope for the entire 4 hours.

> How much sleep do you get on a 3 1/2 flight?

Not much on this particular one. In the best of all worlds, 3 1/2 hours.
>

[Casey]

> I am tall enough that my eyes are above the head rest of the seat
> in front of me. The movie screen is yet above that. The flickering
> light is very distracting for someone trying to sleep. And for those
> people who needs entertainment, there are a number of music
> channels, and they can read the magazine from cover to cover.

I hate to break it to you, but you are not the only person in the world
and definitely not the most important. As other posters wrote, some
people do not sleep on planes and some are so well-prepared that
they bring blinders (soft eye covers). Your last statement was about
as arrogant and selfish as I've read.


Casey

[mrtravel]

Peter L wrote:

>
> Because you asked "How much time do you have to sleep?" Well, about 8 hours
> per night. On a 4 hour flight, I hope for the entire 4 hours.
>

zDoh.... We were discussing sleeping on the flight you were referring to
, so I did not mean how much sleep you get when you are not flying.

[Peter L]

"Casey" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> > I am tall enough that my eyes are above the head rest of the seat
> > in front of me. The movie screen is yet above that. The flickering
> > light is very distracting for someone trying to sleep. And for those
> > people who needs entertainment, there are a number of music
> > channels, and they can read the magazine from cover to cover.
>
> I hate to break it to you, but you are not the only person in the world
> and definitely not the most important.

Nor do I ever think so. What makes you say that?

> As other posters wrote, some
> people do not sleep on planes and some are so well-prepared that
> they bring blinders (soft eye covers). Your last statement was about
> as arrogant and selfish as I've read.
>

As arrogant and selfish as someone who says if I want to sleep I should
bring eye shades? How are these two statements different?

>
> Casey
>
>

[Randy Hudson]

In article >,
Peter L > wrote:

> I have flown other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie.
> Why? Let me sleep in peace, please.

If you can sleep crammed into that tiny upright space, you're luckier than
most of us. If you really intend to sleep, you should bring eyeshades;
earplugs or noise-cancelling headphones are also a good investment if you
hope to sleep on a flight. Every time the air is less than glass-smooth,
the cockpit turns on the seat belt sign and triggers the 90-decibel
automatic announcement.

Those of us who read try not to disturb those next to us. But reading takes
far more light than watching a movie, and also involves moving hands and/or
arms to turn pages. Not to mention the whole fuss of changing books every
2-3 hours, more often if one isn't a good choice (a book that makes me laugh
out loud is obviously inappropriate on a red-eye if fellow travellers are
trying to sleep).

It used to be that red-eyes were uncrowded, and one could spread out a bit
on them. Not any more, especially the eastbound transcontinentals.

--
Randy Hudson

[Yaofeng]

"Peter L" > wrote in message >...
> Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
> brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
> settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a movie.
> Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have flown
> other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie. Why? Let me
> sleep in peace, please.


They show movies on any flight long enough to fit one in, more if time
allows. I actually love it.

[nospam]

In article >, Peter L
> wrote:

> "Casey" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
> > > I am tall enough that my eyes are above the head rest of the seat
> > > in front of me. The movie screen is yet above that. The flickering
> > > light is very distracting for someone trying to sleep. And for those
> > > people who needs entertainment, there are a number of music
> > > channels, and they can read the magazine from cover to cover.
> >
> > I hate to break it to you, but you are not the only person in the world
> > and definitely not the most important.
>
> Nor do I ever think so. What makes you say that?

the fact you want to dictate what the rest of the plane can and cannot
do on the flight.

what if the person sitting next to you wants to work on his laptop? are
you going to prohibit that too?

> > As other posters wrote, some
> > people do not sleep on planes and some are so well-prepared that
> > they bring blinders (soft eye covers). Your last statement was about
> > as arrogant and selfish as I've read.
>
> As arrogant and selfish as someone who says if I want to sleep I should
> bring eye shades? How are these two statements different?

because *you* are the one for which the flicker is disturbing. the rest
of the plane is not bothered by it - they are either asleep or watching
the movie.

if the flicker bothers you, then you need to buy eyeshades or fly on a
plane that has no in flight entertainment.

[Me]

In article >,
Not the Karl Orff > wrote:

> In article >,
> (Jim Ley) wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 11:51:36 -0700, "Peter L" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
> > >brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
> > >settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a movie.
> > >Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have flown
> > >other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie.
> >
> > because other people don't sleep, and they're interested in some
> > entertainment, some people don't sleep at all on planes, others might
> > be jet-lagged and it still be daytime to them.
> >
> > Are you really so naive not to see the reason - how does the movie
> > distract you anyway? some loud popcorn muncher behind you or was it
> > the ice cream seller in the interval?
>
> sme fly the flickering of the lights on the screen rather distracting

I am one of those people, but the problem is easily solved by
wearing one of those eye shields or lightly laying a blanket
over my face. Its never been a problem.

[Me]

In article >,
"Peter L" > wrote:
>
> I am tall enough that my eyes are above the head rest of the seat in front
> of me. The movie screen is yet above that. The flickering light is very
> distracting for someone trying to sleep. And for those people who needs
> entertainment, there are a number of music channels, and they can read the
> magazine from cover to cover.

So wear an eye mask.

[Robert Sawatsky]

(Yaofeng) wrote in message >...
> "Peter L" > wrote in message >...
> > Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
> > brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
> > settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a movie.
> > Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have flown
> > other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie. Why? Let me
> > sleep in peace, please.
>
>
> They show movies on any flight long enough to fit one in, more if time
> allows. I actually love it.

If guaranteed sleep time was necessary then any activity that might
disturb a fellow passenger would have to be banned. No overhead
lamps, no music (hey, it leaks out from the headphones), no working on
computers (clicking of keys), no food or drink service (talking,
people reaching over, the smell of food). The motto: you can't make
everyone happy all of the time. Personally, I have great difficulty
getting comfortable enough to sleep on a plane - and I notice many
others do too - and yes many can sleep just fine. If there was a
simple way for me to get comforable I'd do it, but there isn't - on
the other hand, eye shades are simple.

[Mika]

Miguel Cruz wrote:
>
> A while ago I was on an airline (Virgin maybe) that gave people "yes, wake
> me up for food" and "no, let me sleep" stickers to apply to ourselves.

Emirates has those also. Plus one that says 'wake me for duty free'.

M

[Dave Proctor]

Whilst undoubtedly under the effects of alcohol, "Peter L"
> wrote:

>Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
>brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
>settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a movie.
>Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have flown
>other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie. Why? Let me
>sleep in peace, please.

Qantas don't on the 4+ hour flights from Perth to the East Coast. They
don't even go through with refreshments, instead advising that those
who want them should go to the galley (makes it easier for those
wanting to sleep to do so).

=========

Dave

Don't Drink Drive....
It's A Laundry Detergent

[Kim Dyer]

<< > The flickering light is the most bothersome.

Criminy, what was playing? Even most "blow-em-ups" don't flicker THAT much.

-- Kimbis

[Kim Dyer]

>>If a movie wasn't going, many of the people who can't sleep in an airplane
>>(like me) would turn on the overhead light to read a book. If there is a
>>movie I will keep my light off. I assure you a few flickering movie screens
>>are much darker than half the reading lights on.

In addition, a movie is more likely to distract you from the discomfort of
sitting still that whole time so you will stay in your seat instead of getting
up, sitting down, shuffling around, etc.
-- Kimbis

[Miguel Cruz]

Randy Hudson > wrote:
> It used to be that red-eyes were uncrowded, and one could spread out a bit
> on them. Not any more, especially the eastbound transcontinentals.

Yeah, what's up with that? Used to be great - cheap tickets, "free" travel
timne, and enough space to sleep properly. Now they're packed in like
sardines. Did everyone else discover it or did the airlines change they way
they price/target them?

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

[Mark Hewitt]

"Miguel Cruz" > wrote in message
...
> Randy Hudson > wrote:
> > It used to be that red-eyes were uncrowded, and one could spread out a
bit
> > on them. Not any more, especially the eastbound transcontinentals.
>
> Yeah, what's up with that? Used to be great - cheap tickets, "free" travel
> timne, and enough space to sleep properly. Now they're packed in like
> sardines. Did everyone else discover it or did the airlines change they
way
> they price/target them?

Well the reason I took a night flight from IAD-LHR was that taking a day
flight meant that I would effectively lose a day of my holiday, compared
with flying that night, also on arrivign at LHR it would be too late in the
day for connecting flights to Newcastle.. meaning staying overnight with all
the hassle and expense that provides. Not to mention it's tough to get to
sleep when it's effectively the middle of the afternoon, USA time.

[Terry Richards]

Dave Proctor > wrote in message >...
> Whilst undoubtedly under the effects of alcohol, "Peter L"
> > wrote:
>
> >Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
> >brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
> >settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a movie.
> >Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have flown
> >other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie. Why? Let me
> >sleep in peace, please.
>
> Qantas don't on the 4+ hour flights from Perth to the East Coast. They
> don't even go through with refreshments, instead advising that those
> who want them should go to the galley (makes it easier for those
> wanting to sleep to do so).
>

Unless the person that wants a snack is in the window seat and the
sleeper is in the aisle...

[Jenn]

In article >,
(Terry Richards) wrote:

> Dave Proctor > wrote in message
> >...
> > Whilst undoubtedly under the effects of alcohol, "Peter L"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
> > >brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
> > >settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a movie.
> > >Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have
> > >flown
> > >other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie. Why? Let me
> > >sleep in peace, please.
> >
> > Qantas don't on the 4+ hour flights from Perth to the East Coast. They
> > don't even go through with refreshments, instead advising that those
> > who want them should go to the galley (makes it easier for those
> > wanting to sleep to do so).
> >
>
> Unless the person that wants a snack is in the window seat and the
> sleeper is in the aisle...

it is pretty amazing that anyone would think that half the plane
climbing over the other half to get a snack and going up and down the
aisles grabbing onto the backs of seats snapping sleepers awake is
somehow less disturbing

how much easier to simply bring snacks down the aisle and let people
signal their need

[Dave Proctor]

Whilst undoubtedly under the effects of alcohol,
(Terry Richards) wrote:

>Dave Proctor > wrote in message >...
>> Whilst undoubtedly under the effects of alcohol, "Peter L"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Just took a flight from Sacto to Chicago. Boarded at 11:30 pm. They
>> >brought drinks, a pack of little salty snacks. And when everyone was
>> >settled in and getting comfortable to go to sleep, they started a movie.
>> >Yeah that's exactly what I wanted in the middle of the night. I have flown
>> >other red eyes with other airlines and they do show a movie. Why? Let me
>> >sleep in peace, please.
>>
>> Qantas don't on the 4+ hour flights from Perth to the East Coast. They
>> don't even go through with refreshments, instead advising that those
>> who want them should go to the galley (makes it easier for those
>> wanting to sleep to do so).
>>
>
>Unless the person that wants a snack is in the window seat and the
>sleeper is in the aisle.

The planes don't tend to be that full - PER-SYD is usually a 747, and
PER-MEL is usually either a 767 or an A330.

=========

Dave

Don't Drink Drive....
It's A Laundry Detergent

[me]

"Peter L" > wrote in message >...
[snip]
> On long international flights in my experience,
> they don't show a movie during what usually constitutes sleep time for most
> passengers. Nor do they wake you up for meals. Somehow on these long
> international flights they get the idea that they should set aside a period
> for passengers to sleep, at least try to sleep.

Can you please list such flights and times since I'm frequently the
guy watching the movies on these flights and haven't discovered such
a flight yet? By the time I have managed to doze off (somewhere
around 2 in the morning) they are usually wandering through serving
breakfast.

[Mark Hewitt]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (Terry Richards) wrote:
>
>
> it is pretty amazing that anyone would think that half the plane
> climbing over the other half to get a snack and going up and down the
> aisles grabbing onto the backs of seats snapping sleepers awake is
> somehow less disturbing

I wouldn't like to be in a window seat on a night flight! I got shouted at
for grabbing a back of a seat just getting up to go to the toilets.

> how much easier to simply bring snacks down the aisle and let people
> signal their need

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Mark Hewitt" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > (Terry Richards) wrote:
> >
> >
> > it is pretty amazing that anyone would think that half the plane
> > climbing over the other half to get a snack and going up and down the
> > aisles grabbing onto the backs of seats snapping sleepers awake is
> > somehow less disturbing
>
> I wouldn't like to be in a window seat on a night flight! I got shouted at
> for grabbing a back of a seat just getting up to go to the toilets.
>
> > how much easier to simply bring snacks down the aisle and let people
> > signal their need
>
>
>
>

so don't grab the seat back -- it is not that difficult to accomplish

you can't help disturbing your seat mates, but there is little excuse
for grabbing the seat ahead --

[Miguel Cruz]

Mark Hewitt > wrote:
> I wouldn't like to be in a window seat on a night flight! I got shouted at
> for grabbing a back of a seat just getting up to go to the toilets.

Well, grabbing the seat back is pretty annoying. It happens to me very
rarely so presumably there are other ways of getting up.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Site remodeled 10-Sept-2003: Hundreds of new photos, easier navigation.

[TMOliver]

(Miguel Cruz) vented spleen or mostly mumbled...

> Mark Hewitt > wrote:
>> I wouldn't like to be in a window seat on a night flight! I got
>> shouted at for grabbing a back of a seat just getting up to go to the
>> toilets.
>
> Well, grabbing the seat back is pretty annoying. It happens to me very
> rarely so presumably there are other ways of getting up.
>
>

.....An occasion upon which it's almost inevitable....You're seated in a
window seat, and the seat in front of you is reclined, then add the case
that the occupant of the aisle seat next to you is sleeping...You'll be
grabbing more than the seat in front of you (unless you're agile enough to
stand in your own seat, step up upon the arm, the across to the other arm,
afore vaulting lightly into the aisle in a nimbly Scaramouchist sort of
move.

TMO

TMO

[PTRAVEL]

"Mark Hewitt" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > (Terry Richards) wrote:
> >
> >
> > it is pretty amazing that anyone would think that half the plane
> > climbing over the other half to get a snack and going up and down the
> > aisles grabbing onto the backs of seats snapping sleepers awake is
> > somehow less disturbing
>
> I wouldn't like to be in a window seat on a night flight! I got shouted at
> for grabbing a back of a seat just getting up to go to the toilets.

Why was it necessary to grab the back of the seat in front of you? I fly in
window seats all the time, including red-eyes -- I prefer them. When I want
to get up, I push myself off the back of my own seat, i.e. lean forward a
little, put my arm in back of me and push off. No one is disturbed that
way. I'd have been pretty unhappy if you had woken me up by grabbing the
back of my seat.


>
> > how much easier to simply bring snacks down the aisle and let people
> > signal their need
>
>
>
>

[Sharon]

"me" > wrote in message
om...
> "Peter L" > wrote in message
>...
> [snip]
> > On long international flights in my experience,
> > they don't show a movie during what usually constitutes sleep time for
most
> > passengers. Nor do they wake you up for meals. Somehow on these long
> > international flights they get the idea that they should set aside a
period
> > for passengers to sleep, at least try to sleep.
>
> Can you please list such flights and times since I'm frequently the
> guy watching the movies on these flights and haven't discovered such
> a flight yet? By the time I have managed to doze off (somewhere
> around 2 in the morning) they are usually wandering through serving
> breakfast.

My last trip to the UK was on a redeye flight, and I'll never do that
again. This was a trip from Washington-Dulles to Heathrow on British Air,
about a 5.5hour trip. We got NO sleep because there was only about an hour
between each beverage/meal service. 20 minutes after takeoff they served
beverages. An hour after that, they served dinner. About another hour
later they served another beverage. Finally breakfast a short time later.
And believe it or not, they actually *woke up* the man sitting in front of
us to ask him if he wanted a beverage once.
We got to our hotel in London at around 9am, too early to check in. I
was so dead that all I could do was sprawl unconscious on a couch in their
lounge area. I prayed as I slept that they wouldn't try to throw me out
thinking I was a homeless person. The first day of my vacation in London
was pretty much ruined.

--
Sharon, Lurking As Usual
To reply, replace spammersmustdie with jcwoman1963

[Sharon]

"Jenn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Mark Hewitt" > wrote:
>
> > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >,
> > > (Terry Richards) wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > it is pretty amazing that anyone would think that half the plane
> > > climbing over the other half to get a snack and going up and down the
> > > aisles grabbing onto the backs of seats snapping sleepers awake is
> > > somehow less disturbing
> >
> > I wouldn't like to be in a window seat on a night flight! I got shouted
at
> > for grabbing a back of a seat just getting up to go to the toilets.
> >
> > > how much easier to simply bring snacks down the aisle and let people
> > > signal their need
>
> so don't grab the seat back -- it is not that difficult to accomplish
>
> you can't help disturbing your seat mates, but there is little excuse
> for grabbing the seat ahead --

Have you tried it? I try to be considerate and *try* not to grab the
seatbacks, but it's nearly impossible not to do. Especially when the person
in front of you is reclined, their head is practically in your lap. If the
seats weren't so freaking close together we could all respect each other's
privacy and comfort much more easily.

--
Sharon, Lurking As Usual
To reply, replace spammersmustdie with jcwoman1963

[[email protected]]

They show the movie to take you attention away from the guy joing the
"mile high club" with your wife.

[blib]

[...]
> My last trip to the UK was on a redeye flight, and I'll never do that
> again. This was a trip from Washington-Dulles to Heathrow on British Air,
> about a 5.5hour trip.

[...]
5 1/2 hours, what aircraft were you flying?

[Not the Karl Orff]

In article >,
"blib" > wrote:

> [...]
> > My last trip to the UK was on a redeye flight, and I'll never do that
> > again. This was a trip from Washington-Dulles to Heathrow on British Air,
> > about a 5.5hour trip.
>
> [...]
> 5 1/2 hours, what aircraft were you flying?

That's entirely possible with a good tail wind.

[Not the Karl Orff]

In article >,
"blib" > wrote:

> [...]
> > My last trip to the UK was on a redeye flight, and I'll never do that
> > again. This was a trip from Washington-Dulles to Heathrow on British Air,
> > about a 5.5hour trip.
>
> [...]
> 5 1/2 hours, what aircraft were you flying?

A 747-400 with a strong tailwind could probably do that flight. I've
been in a 763 from Toronto that took off some 1 1/2 hrs late yet arrived
1/2 hr early. And going the other way, took off on time but arrived
over an hour late due to strong headwinds

[Jenn]

In article >,
"Sharon" > wrote:

> "Jenn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Mark Hewitt" > wrote:
> >
> > > "Jenn" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > In article >,
> > > > (Terry Richards) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > it is pretty amazing that anyone would think that half the plane
> > > > climbing over the other half to get a snack and going up and down the
> > > > aisles grabbing onto the backs of seats snapping sleepers awake is
> > > > somehow less disturbing
> > >
> > > I wouldn't like to be in a window seat on a night flight! I got shouted
> at
> > > for grabbing a back of a seat just getting up to go to the toilets.
> > >
> > > > how much easier to simply bring snacks down the aisle and let people
> > > > signal their need
> >
> > so don't grab the seat back -- it is not that difficult to accomplish
> >
> > you can't help disturbing your seat mates, but there is little excuse
> > for grabbing the seat ahead --
>
> Have you tried it? I try to be considerate and *try* not to grab the
> seatbacks, but it's nearly impossible not to do. Especially when the person
> in front of you is reclined, their head is practically in your lap. If the
> seats weren't so freaking close together we could all respect each other's
> privacy and comfort much more easily.
>

what you do is sort of flip over so you are facing your seat and then
you grab onto and lean on the seats in your own row not the one ahead --
you have to disturb your own row -- and the person in the outboard seat
as to stand up generally to let you out -- but you don't have to bounce
the seat ahead

and the recline even on an international flight is not THAT steep

sure it isn't easy to be considerate given the jammed up seating -- but
if you work at it you can usually manage it

[blib]

> > [...]
> > > My last trip to the UK was on a redeye flight, and I'll never do
that
> > > again. This was a trip from Washington-Dulles to Heathrow on British
Air,
> > > about a 5.5hour trip.
> >
> > [...]
> > 5 1/2 hours, what aircraft were you flying?
>
> That's entirely possible with a good tail wind.

The scheduled time for an A340 is 7.05 so an 1h 35 mins less must mean some
head wind...

[blib]

"blib" > wrote in message
...
> > > [...]
> > > > My last trip to the UK was on a redeye flight, and I'll never do
> that
> > > > again. This was a trip from Washington-Dulles to Heathrow on
British
> Air,
> > > > about a 5.5hour trip.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > 5 1/2 hours, what aircraft were you flying?
> >
> > That's entirely possible with a good tail wind.
>
> The scheduled time for an A340 is 7.05 so an 1h 35 mins less must mean
some
> head wind...

opps, tail wind.

[mrtravel]

blib wrote:

> [...]
>
>> My last trip to the UK was on a redeye flight, and I'll never do that
>>again. This was a trip from Washington-Dulles to Heathrow on British Air,
>>about a 5.5hour trip.
>
>
> [...]
> 5 1/2 hours, what aircraft were you flying?
>

A slow Concorde.

[mrtravel]

blib wrote:

>>>[...]
>>>
>>>> My last trip to the UK was on a redeye flight, and I'll never do
>
> that
>
>>>>again. This was a trip from Washington-Dulles to Heathrow on British
>
> Air,
>
>>>>about a 5.5hour trip.
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>5 1/2 hours, what aircraft were you flying?
>>
>>That's entirely possible with a good tail wind.
>
>
> The scheduled time for an A340 is 7.05 so an 1h 35 mins less must mean some
> head wind...
>

or a tail wind.

[Not the Karl Orff]

In article >,
"blib" > wrote:

> > > [...]
> > > > My last trip to the UK was on a redeye flight, and I'll never do
> that
> > > > again. This was a trip from Washington-Dulles to Heathrow on British
> Air,
> > > > about a 5.5hour trip.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > 5 1/2 hours, what aircraft were you flying?
> >
> > That's entirely possible with a good tail wind.
>
> The scheduled time for an A340 is 7.05 so an 1h 35 mins less must mean some
> head wind...

An A340 (at least the -200s and -300s) is slow. A 744 is quite a bit
faster (mach 0.84 cruise vs. mach 0.80 for the A340). The A340 has a
slower climb rate too. I noticed BA gives its fights more time than
other airlines with slow a/c, or with the same a/c.

At any rate, I was on a flight where groundspeed was 1,138 km/h and
tailwinds in excess of 200 km/h (as reported on the airshow). That's
130+ mph tailwind, groundspeed above 700 mph. Didn't see what it was on
the CP flight as there was no such feature.

FWIW, NW 747-200 between NRT and HNL 9 january this year)

[Miguel Cruz]

TMOliver > wrote:
> (Miguel Cruz) vented spleen or mostly mumbled...
>> Mark Hewitt > wrote:
>>> I wouldn't like to be in a window seat on a night flight! I got
>>> shouted at for grabbing a back of a seat just getting up to go to the
>>> toilets.
>>
>> Well, grabbing the seat back is pretty annoying. It happens to me very
>> rarely so presumably there are other ways of getting up.
>
> ....An occasion upon which it's almost inevitable....You're seated in a
> window seat, and the seat in front of you is reclined, then add the case
> that the occupant of the aisle seat next to you is sleeping...You'll be
> grabbing more than the seat in front of you (unless you're agile enough to
> stand in your own seat, step up upon the arm, the across to the other arm,
> afore vaulting lightly into the aisle in a nimbly Scaramouchist sort of
> move.

I have actually done that, though only when I knew the people in the
adjoining seats (would be pretty awkward to wake a stranger up with my foot
in their crotch if I slipped).

But Jenn described the easy way - just turn around in place. You're at a
funny angle with the seatback in front of you reclined, but you make up for
it by putting your weight on your own seatback with your arm.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Site remodeled 10-Sept-2003: Hundreds of new photos, easier navigation.

[me]

"Sharon" > wrote in message >...
[snip]
> My last trip to the UK was on a redeye flight, and I'll never do that
> again. This was a trip from Washington-Dulles to Heathrow on British Air,
> about a 5.5 hour trip. We got NO sleep because there was only about an hour
> between each beverage/meal service. 20 minutes after takeoff they served
> beverages. An hour after that, they served dinner. About another hour
> later they served another beverage. Finally breakfast a short time later.
> And believe it or not, they actually *woke up* the man sitting in front of
> us to ask him if he wanted a beverage once.

Typically there would have been a 2 hour movie in there someplace.
They usually don't do any service during the movie. That's a good
time to sleep because they often darken the cabin, and alot of folks
either sleep or watch but they don't tend to move around.

> We got to our hotel in London at around 9am, too early to check in. I
> was so dead that all I could do was sprawl unconscious on a couch in their
> lounge area.

It was what, 3 am your "body time"? If you got any sleep at
all I'da thunk you'd be a little less than dead. In a few hours
you would've been in trouble. We typically take the flight you're
describing. We usually get to the hotel about 10am -noon. We
walk around London for the day and then have dinner and struggle
to stay awake 'till 8 or so.

I suppose there are morning flights to London from DC. But
if you leave at 11 am, you get to London about 11pm, which most
folks don't really like. If you want to get to London at 5pm,
you've got to be at Dulles about 3am. Basically it's a long day.

[Dave Proctor]

Whilst undoubtedly under the effects of alcohol, "blib"
> wrote:

>> > [...]
>> > > My last trip to the UK was on a redeye flight, and I'll never do
>that
>> > > again. This was a trip from Washington-Dulles to Heathrow on British
>Air,
>> > > about a 5.5hour trip.
>> >
>> > [...]
>> > 5 1/2 hours, what aircraft were you flying?
>>
>> That's entirely possible with a good tail wind.
>
>The scheduled time for an A340 is 7.05 so an 1h 35 mins less must mean some
>head wind...

Hardly, a head wind would slow it down.

=========

Dave

Don't Drink Drive....
It's A Laundry Detergent

[Eric Toline]

Re: Why do airlines show movies on red eye flight.

Group: rec.travel.air Date: Thu, Sep 11, 2003, 2:37pm (EDT-1) From:
(Jenn)
In article


what you do is sort of flip over so you are facing your seat and then
you grab onto and lean on the seats in your own row not the one ahead --
you have to disturb your own row -- and the person in the outboard seat
as to stand up generally to let you out --

but you don't have to bounce the seat ahead and the recline even on an
international flight is not THAT steep sure it isn't easy to be
considerate given the jammed up seating -- but
if you work at it you can usually manage it<<<<<

Obviously you come from a long line of acrobats. Cirque De Solie by
chance?


Eric

[Miss L. Toe]

"blib" > wrote in message
...
> [...]
> > My last trip to the UK was on a redeye flight, and I'll never do
that
> > again. This was a trip from Washington-Dulles to Heathrow on British
Air,
> > about a 5.5hour trip.
>
> [...]
> 5 1/2 hours, what aircraft were you flying?
>
>
My CO 777 from EWR to LGW took 5 1/2 hours the other day (+ 1 hour slow
taxiing along the runway). I managed about 1 hours sleep onboard, then got 7
hours more during the day when I got home, some sleeping pills for that
night ensured a full nights sleep and no jet lag whatsoever !!!