Another in-flight movie question.

[Peter L]

Since my last post about midnight movie brought out so many of you movie
fans, I thought I'll try this one on you guys.

On the return flight (Chicago to Sacto), they showed a movie during (in my
own mind) a more reasonable movie hour, 3:00 pm. Most passengers seemed
to have enjoyed it, except for this one arrogant ******* who thought 3:00 pm
was the perfect time for a nap. Of course he neglected to bring his own eye
shade.

In any event, after the first movie, the flight attendants thought there was
time for a second feature, The Italian Job with Charlize Theron. Any movie
with Charlize Theron in it is definitely worthwhile.

As you would have guessed, the flight arrived Sacto before the movie ended.
Eventhough we were actually early, the captain decided that he would not
circle the airport a couple of times till the movie finished. Somehow he
thought that arriving at the destination was more important than the
enjoyment of a couple of passengers.

The question then is, how did the movie end? Is it worthwhile to rent it
just to watch the last 10 minutes?

--
OK

[JMS]

"Peter L" > wrote in message
...
> Since my last post about midnight movie brought out so many of you movie
> fans, I thought I'll try this one on you guys.
>
> On the return flight (Chicago to Sacto), they showed a movie during (in my
> own mind) a more reasonable movie hour, 3:00 pm. Most passengers seemed
> to have enjoyed it, except for this one arrogant ******* who thought 3:00
pm
> was the perfect time for a nap. Of course he neglected to bring his own
eye
> shade.
>
> In any event, after the first movie, the flight attendants thought there
was
> time for a second feature, The Italian Job with Charlize Theron. Any
movie
> with Charlize Theron in it is definitely worthwhile.
>
> As you would have guessed, the flight arrived Sacto before the movie
ended.
> Eventhough we were actually early, the captain decided that he would not
> circle the airport a couple of times till the movie finished. Somehow he
> thought that arriving at the destination was more important than the
> enjoyment of a couple of passengers.
>
> The question then is, how did the movie end? Is it worthwhile to rent it
> just to watch the last 10 minutes?
>
> --
> OK
>
If you want to know how the movie ended, then why would you want to rent it
just for the last 10 minutes? It ends like all these movies end. The 'good'
guys win, the 'bad guys' lose and the hero gets the girl.

[mrtravel]

Peter L wrote:
> Since my last post about midnight movie brought out so many of you movie
> fans, I thought I'll try this one on you guys.
>
> On the return flight (Chicago to Sacto), they showed a movie during (in my
> own mind) a more reasonable movie hour, 3:00 pm. Most passengers seemed
> to have enjoyed it, except for this one arrogant ******* who thought 3:00 pm
> was the perfect time for a nap. Of course he neglected to bring his own eye
> shade.

Maybe it was 3 AM in his time zone or the time zone of his destination.

[Mark Hewitt]

"Peter L" > wrote in message
...
>
> As you would have guessed, the flight arrived Sacto before the movie
ended.
> Eventhough we were actually early, the captain decided that he would not
> circle the airport a couple of times till the movie finished. Somehow he
> thought that arriving at the destination was more important than the
> enjoyment of a couple of passengers.

I don't agree that the pilot should have delayed landing.. However they
shouldn't have shown the second film if there wasn't enough time!

[mrtravel]

Tony Rice wrote:
> I want to make sure I've got your points down.
>
> after 10pm, all pax must sleep regardless of the length of the flight
>
> after 10pm, movies will not be tollerated
>
> during mid afternoon flights, movies are okay but may be presented only if
> the entire movie can be completed.
>
> during mid afternoon flights, sleeping is prohibited. Anyone who attempts
> to sleep outside of your parameters is an "arrogant *******"
>

you forgot

Movie screen light flickering keeps me awake, but I will argue with
everyone about it and avoid buying an eye mask.

[Yaofeng]

"Peter L" > wrote in message >...
> Since my last post about midnight movie brought out so many of you movie
> fans, I thought I'll try this one on you guys.
>
> On the return flight (Chicago to Sacto), they showed a movie during (in my
> own mind) a more reasonable movie hour, 3:00 pm. Most passengers seemed
> to have enjoyed it, except for this one arrogant ******* who thought 3:00 pm
> was the perfect time for a nap. Of course he neglected to bring his own eye
> shade.
>
> In any event, after the first movie, the flight attendants thought there was
> time for a second feature, The Italian Job with Charlize Theron. Any movie
> with Charlize Theron in it is definitely worthwhile.
>
> As you would have guessed, the flight arrived Sacto before the movie ended.
> Eventhough we were actually early, the captain decided that he would not
> circle the airport a couple of times till the movie finished. Somehow he
> thought that arriving at the destination was more important than the
> enjoyment of a couple of passengers.
>
> The question then is, how did the movie end? Is it worthwhile to rent it
> just to watch the last 10 minutes?

I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few occasions. I
know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie
finish. Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I
'd never rent it to see it just the last 10 minutes.

[Peter L]

"JMS" > wrote in message
...
> "Peter L" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Since my last post about midnight movie brought out so many of you movie
> > fans, I thought I'll try this one on you guys.
> >
> > On the return flight (Chicago to Sacto), they showed a movie during (in
my
> > own mind) a more reasonable movie hour, 3:00 pm. Most passengers seemed
> > to have enjoyed it, except for this one arrogant ******* who thought
3:00
> pm
> > was the perfect time for a nap. Of course he neglected to bring his own
> eye
> > shade.
> >
> > In any event, after the first movie, the flight attendants thought there
> was
> > time for a second feature, The Italian Job with Charlize Theron. Any
> movie
> > with Charlize Theron in it is definitely worthwhile.
> >
> > As you would have guessed, the flight arrived Sacto before the movie
> ended.
> > Eventhough we were actually early, the captain decided that he would not
> > circle the airport a couple of times till the movie finished. Somehow
he
> > thought that arriving at the destination was more important than the
> > enjoyment of a couple of passengers.
> >
> > The question then is, how did the movie end? Is it worthwhile to rent
it
> > just to watch the last 10 minutes?
> >
> > --
> > OK
> >
> If you want to know how the movie ended, then why would you want to rent
it
> just for the last 10 minutes?

Mmm, because the last 10 minutes is when it ends? Because I have already
seen the first 90 minutes of the movie?

> It ends like all these movies end. The 'good'
> guys win, the 'bad guys' lose and the hero gets the girl.
>

They are all bunch of thieves. There are no good guys in this movie.
>
>
>

[mrtravel]

Yaofeng wrote:
>
> I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few occasions. I
> know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie
> finish. Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I
> 'd never rent it to see it just the last 10 minutes.

Yeah, but for Italian Job, I would rent it to see the earlier parts of
the movie. It has the best chase scene I have ever seen.

[mrtravel]

Peter L wrote:

>>It ends like all these movies end. The 'good'
>>guys win, the 'bad guys' lose and the hero gets the girl.
>>
>
>
> They are all bunch of thieves. There are no good guys in this movie.

I thought it was about a somebody getting a job in Italy.

[Binyamin Dissen]

On 10 Sep 2003 11:33:26 -0700 (Yaofeng) wrote:

:>"Peter L" > wrote in message >...

:>> Since my last post about midnight movie brought out so many of you movie
:>> fans, I thought I'll try this one on you guys.

:>> On the return flight (Chicago to Sacto), they showed a movie during (in my
:>> own mind) a more reasonable movie hour, 3:00 pm. Most passengers seemed
:>> to have enjoyed it, except for this one arrogant ******* who thought 3:00 pm
:>> was the perfect time for a nap. Of course he neglected to bring his own eye
:>> shade.

:>> In any event, after the first movie, the flight attendants thought there was
:>> time for a second feature, The Italian Job with Charlize Theron. Any movie
:>> with Charlize Theron in it is definitely worthwhile.

:>> As you would have guessed, the flight arrived Sacto before the movie ended.
:>> Eventhough we were actually early, the captain decided that he would not
:>> circle the airport a couple of times till the movie finished. Somehow he
:>> thought that arriving at the destination was more important than the
:>> enjoyment of a couple of passengers.

:>> The question then is, how did the movie end? Is it worthwhile to rent it
:>> just to watch the last 10 minutes?

:>I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few occasions. I
:>know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie
:>finish. Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I
:>'d never rent it to see it just the last 10 minutes.

If you really liked the movie you should rent it anyway, as the airline movies
are often butchered^W cut in such ways that the stories lose part of their
meaning.

--
Binyamin Dissen >
http://www.dissensoftware.com

[mrtravel]

Binyamin Dissen wrote:

> If you really liked the movie you should rent it anyway, as the airline movies
> are often butchered^W cut in such ways that the stories lose part of their
> meaning.
>

I saw the movie "Gone With The Wind" on a flight once on the AA personal
DVD player. However, it was editted so much it should have been
called "Gone".

[F. D. Lewis]

"Peter L" > wrote in message
...
> As you would have guessed, the flight arrived Sacto before the movie
ended.
> Eventhough we were actually early, the captain decided that he would not
> circle the airport a couple of times till the movie finished.

a while back, on a Singapore Air flight from Singapore to Bangkok, they
showed 'Titanic'. as we made our final approach the film was almost over.
the flight attendants persuaded the captain to allow them to leave it
playing. it ended just barely before we touched down. everyone was
pleased.

[JMS]

"Peter L" > wrote in message
...
>
> "JMS" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Peter L" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Since my last post about midnight movie brought out so many of you
movie
> > > fans, I thought I'll try this one on you guys.
> > >
> > > On the return flight (Chicago to Sacto), they showed a movie during
(in
> my
> > > own mind) a more reasonable movie hour, 3:00 pm. Most passengers
seemed
> > > to have enjoyed it, except for this one arrogant ******* who thought
> 3:00
> > pm
> > > was the perfect time for a nap. Of course he neglected to bring his
own
> > eye
> > > shade.
> > >
> > > In any event, after the first movie, the flight attendants thought
there
> > was
> > > time for a second feature, The Italian Job with Charlize Theron. Any
> > movie
> > > with Charlize Theron in it is definitely worthwhile.
> > >
> > > As you would have guessed, the flight arrived Sacto before the movie
> > ended.
> > > Eventhough we were actually early, the captain decided that he would
not
> > > circle the airport a couple of times till the movie finished. Somehow
> he
> > > thought that arriving at the destination was more important than the
> > > enjoyment of a couple of passengers.
> > >
> > > The question then is, how did the movie end? Is it worthwhile to rent
> it
> > > just to watch the last 10 minutes?
> > >
> > > --
> > > OK
> > >
> > If you want to know how the movie ended, then why would you want to rent
> it
> > just for the last 10 minutes?
>
> Mmm, because the last 10 minutes is when it ends? Because I have already
> seen the first 90 minutes of the movie?
>
> > It ends like all these movies end. The 'good'
> > guys win, the 'bad guys' lose and the hero gets the girl.
> >
>
> They are all bunch of thieves. There are no good guys in this movie.
> >
Hence the reason I placed good guys and bad guys in single quotes.

[JMS]

"F. D. Lewis" > wrote in message
...
> "Peter L" > wrote in message
> ...
> > As you would have guessed, the flight arrived Sacto before the movie
> ended.
> > Eventhough we were actually early, the captain decided that he would not
> > circle the airport a couple of times till the movie finished.
>
> a while back, on a Singapore Air flight from Singapore to Bangkok, they
> showed 'Titanic'. as we made our final approach the film was almost over.
> the flight attendants persuaded the captain to allow them to leave it
> playing. it ended just barely before we touched down. everyone was
> pleased.
>
>

[JMS]

"F. D. Lewis" > wrote in message
...
> "Peter L" > wrote in message
> ...
> > As you would have guessed, the flight arrived Sacto before the movie
> ended.
> > Eventhough we were actually early, the captain decided that he would not
> > circle the airport a couple of times till the movie finished.
>
> a while back, on a Singapore Air flight from Singapore to Bangkok, they
> showed 'Titanic'. as we made our final approach the film was almost over.
> the flight attendants persuaded the captain to allow them to leave it
> playing. it ended just barely before we touched down. everyone was
> pleased.
>
>

Since when does the Captain control the playing of videos on an aircraft.
This would be the Flight Attendant supervisor I would believe.

[Miguel Cruz]

Yaofeng > wrote:
> I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few occasions. I
> know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie finish.
> Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I'd never rent
> it to see it just the last 10 minutes.

Maybe you can get the flight attendant to lend you the tape.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

[mrtravel]

Miguel Cruz wrote:

> Yaofeng > wrote:
>
>>I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few occasions. I
>>know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie finish.
>>Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I'd never rent
>>it to see it just the last 10 minutes.
>
>
> Maybe you can get the flight attendant to lend you the tape.
>

Not if he's in economy.

[Miguel Cruz]

mrtravel > wrote:
> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>> Yaofeng > wrote:
>>> I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few occasions. I
>>> know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie finish.
>>> Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I'd never rent
>>> it to see it just the last 10 minutes.
>>
>> Maybe you can get the flight attendant to lend you the tape.
>
> Not if he's in economy.

Use miles to upgrade and then flirt like hell.

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Site remodeled 10-Sept-2003: Hundreds of new photos, easier navigation.

[mrtravel]

Miguel Cruz wrote:

> mrtravel > wrote:
>
>>Miguel Cruz wrote:
>>
>>>Yaofeng > wrote:
>>>
>>>>I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few occasions. I
>>>>know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie finish.
>>>>Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I'd never rent
>>>>it to see it just the last 10 minutes.
>>>
>>>Maybe you can get the flight attendant to lend you the tape.
>>
>>Not if he's in economy.
>
>
> Use miles to upgrade and then flirt like hell.
>

And get Netflix.
Next day delivery and return where I live.

[Yaofeng]

mrtravel > wrote in message >...
> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>
> > Yaofeng > wrote:
> >
> >>I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few occasions. I
> >>know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie finish.
> >>Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I'd never rent
> >>it to see it just the last 10 minutes.
> >
> >
> > Maybe you can get the flight attendant to lend you the tape.
> >
>
> Not if he's in economy.

Actually I am in CO silver elite. And for the past two years I have
never been in economy flying about 12 to 15 international flights a
year. Always got bumped up to FC, never failed. But the question of
borrowing the tape never came inot my mind. Nor would I want to.

Yaofeng

[PTRAVEL]

"Yaofeng" > wrote in message
om...
> mrtravel > wrote in message
>...
> > Miguel Cruz wrote:
> >
> > > Yaofeng > wrote:
> > >
> > >>I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few occasions. I
> > >>know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie
finish.
> > >>Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I'd never
rent
> > >>it to see it just the last 10 minutes.
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe you can get the flight attendant to lend you the tape.
> > >
> >
> > Not if he's in economy.
>
> Actually I am in CO silver elite. And for the past two years I have
> never been in economy flying about 12 to 15 international flights a
> year. Always got bumped up to FC, never failed.

How do you do that? I'm gold on CO, and always get upgraded domesticaly,
but never on international flights (I didn't think they did status upgrades
on international).


> But the question of
> borrowing the tape never came inot my mind. Nor would I want to.
>
> Yaofeng

[JohnT]

"Yaofeng" > wrote in message
om...
> mrtravel > wrote in message
>...
> > Miguel Cruz wrote:
> >
> > > Yaofeng > wrote:
> > >
> > >>I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few
occasions. I
> > >>know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie
finish.
> > >>Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I'd
never rent
> > >>it to see it just the last 10 minutes.
> > >
> > >
> > > Maybe you can get the flight attendant to lend you the tape.
> > >
> >
> > Not if he's in economy.
>
> Actually I am in CO silver elite. And for the past two years I have
> never been in economy flying about 12 to 15 international flights a
> year. Always got bumped up to FC, never failed. But the question of
> borrowing the tape never came inot my mind. Nor would I want to.
>
> Yaofeng

I don't think the suggestion was entirely serious.

JohnT

[mrtravel]

Yaofeng wrote:
>
> Actually I am in CO silver elite. And for the past two years I have
> never been in economy flying about 12 to 15 international flights a
> year. Always got bumped up to FC, never failed. But the question of
> borrowing the tape never came inot my mind. Nor would I want to.

With that amount of international trafic, how do you fail to make Gold?
Are you talking about internationally across an ocean?

[Yaofeng]

"PTRAVEL" > wrote in message >...
> "Yaofeng" > wrote in message
> om...
> > mrtravel > wrote in message
> >...
> > > Miguel Cruz wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yaofeng > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few occasions. I
> > > >>know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie
> finish.
> > > >>Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I'd never
> rent
> > > >>it to see it just the last 10 minutes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Maybe you can get the flight attendant to lend you the tape.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not if he's in economy.
> >
> > Actually I am in CO silver elite. And for the past two years I have
> > never been in economy flying about 12 to 15 international flights a
> > year. Always got bumped up to FC, never failed.
>
> How do you do that? I'm gold on CO, and always get upgraded domesticaly,
> but never on international flights (I didn't think they did status upgrades
> on international).
>
>

I did not do anything. CO does it. My int'l flights were to Latin-America only.


> > But the question of
> > borrowing the tape never came inot my mind. Nor would I want to.
> >
> > Yaofeng

[mrtravel]

Yaofeng wrote:

>
>
> I did not do anything. CO does it. My int'l flights were to Latin-America only.
>

I thought you were referring to upgrades on "real" international service
flgihts.

[Miguel Cruz]

mrtravel > wrote:
> Yaofeng wrote:
>> Actually I am in CO silver elite. And for the past two years I have
>> never been in economy flying about 12 to 15 international flights a
>> year. Always got bumped up to FC, never failed. But the question of
>> borrowing the tape never came inot my mind. Nor would I want to.
>
> With that amount of international trafic, how do you fail to make Gold?

Cleveland-Toronto?

miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Site remodeled 10-Sept-2003: Hundreds of new photos, easier navigation.

[Yaofeng]

mrtravel > wrote in message >...
> Yaofeng wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I did not do anything. CO does it. My int'l flights were to Latin-America only.
> >
>
> I thought you were referring to upgrades on "real" international service
> flgihts.

Kindly define "real" int'l service flights and "fake" ones. To me an
int'l flight is any which goes out of continental US and lands in a
foreigh country or territory.

I hope you don't mean to say Latin-America and the Carribean is our
backyard. So going out of the house to the backyard doesn't count.

[mrtravel]

Yaofeng wrote:
> mrtravel > wrote in message >...
>
>>Yaofeng wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I did not do anything. CO does it. My int'l flights were to Latin-America only.
>>>
>>
>>I thought you were referring to upgrades on "real" international service
>>flgihts.
>
>
> Kindly define "real" int'l service flights and "fake" ones. To me an
> int'l flight is any which goes out of continental US and lands in a
> foreigh country or territory.
>
> I hope you don't mean to say Latin-America and the Carribean is our
> backyard. So going out of the house to the backyard doesn't count.

I am referring to enhanced First and Business class seating and
amentities. For instance, if you are Platinum on AA, you can get free
One World lounge access for "real" international travel. A flight to
Mexico or the Carribean wouldn't count.

The is a world of difference between CO giving someone a FC upgrade to
the Carribean and giving them a BF upgrade to Europe. I don't know about
CO, but on AA I can use segment upgrades to Mexico and the Carribean. I
can't use them to Europe.

[Not the Karl Orff]

In article >,
(Yaofeng) wrote:

> mrtravel > wrote in message
> >...
> > Yaofeng wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I did not do anything. CO does it. My int'l flights were to
> > > Latin-America only.
> > >
> >
> > I thought you were referring to upgrades on "real" international service
> > flgihts.
>
> Kindly define "real" int'l service flights and "fake" ones. To me an
> int'l flight is any which goes out of continental US and lands in a
> foreigh country or territory.

the real int'l BC service is "business first". Not the domestic first
class product that's opened used for service within N. America

[Yaofeng]

mrtravel > wrote in message >...
> Yaofeng wrote:
> >
> > Actually I am in CO silver elite. And for the past two years I have
> > never been in economy flying about 12 to 15 international flights a
> > year. Always got bumped up to FC, never failed. But the question of
> > borrowing the tape never came inot my mind. Nor would I want to.
>
> With that amount of international trafic, how do you fail to make Gold?
> Are you talking about internationally across an ocean?

I am about to in a few months, hopefully.

[PTRAVEL]

"Yaofeng" > wrote in message
om...
> mrtravel > wrote in message
>...
> > Yaofeng wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I did not do anything. CO does it. My int'l flights were to
Latin-America only.
> > >
> >
> > I thought you were referring to upgrades on "real" international service
> > flgihts.
>
> Kindly define "real" int'l service flights and "fake" ones. To me an
> int'l flight is any which goes out of continental US and lands in a
> foreigh country or territory.
>
> I hope you don't mean to say Latin-America and the Carribean is our
> backyard. So going out of the house to the backyard doesn't count.

CO's flights to Europe and Asia use something called "Business First," which
falls somewhere between international business class and international first
class service on a 3-class airline. It is nothing like (and far, far nicer
than) CO's domestic F product which, if I'm not mistaken, is used on it's
flights to the Caribbean and Latin American.

Business First offers twice the seat pitch of domestic F, seats that recline
almost flat, a vastly improved meal service, more wine choices, personal
video screens, etc., as well as access to a separate lounge facility.
Domestic F is little more than a wider seat, free drinks, and about 6" of
extra seat pitch.

As far as I know, and I've been using CO as my primary carrier since TWA
went under and always at Gold Elite level, CO will not do status upgrades on
"true" international flights, i.e. those that have Business First service,
as opposed to standard domestic F. Upgrades to Business First require
cashing in miles, as well as purchase of specific coach fares which
generally exclude the most discounted fare bases.

And, to avoid another old and pointless arguement (and this is not directed
to you, Yaofeng), I don't care whether there are CO flights within the U.S.
that are continuations of trans-Atlantic or trans-Pacific flights and use
equipment with Business First seating. My inquiry to Yaofeng was directed
only to upgrading on international flights that offer Business First
seating.

[S Viemeister]

PTRAVEL wrote:
>
> As far as I know, and I've been using CO as my primary carrier since TWA
> went under and always at Gold Elite level, CO will not do status upgrades on
> "true" international flights, i.e. those that have Business First service,
> as opposed to standard domestic F. Upgrades to Business First require
> cashing in miles, as well as purchase of specific coach fares which
> generally exclude the most discounted fare bases.
>
CO has recently started also charging a fee, depending on ticket purchased,
of $300-$400 _in addition to miles_, for transatlantic upgrades (and
probably others as well - I was only looking at the transatlantic routes).

[Yaofeng]

Not the Karl Orff > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> (Yaofeng) wrote:
>
> > mrtravel > wrote in message
> > >...
> > > Yaofeng wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I did not do anything. CO does it. My int'l flights were to
> > > > Latin-America only.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I thought you were referring to upgrades on "real" international service
> > > flgihts.
> >
> > Kindly define "real" int'l service flights and "fake" ones. To me an
> > int'l flight is any which goes out of continental US and lands in a
> > foreigh country or territory.
>
> the real int'l BC service is "business first". Not the domestic first
> class product that's opened used for service within N. America

I am ignorant to int'l BC. Enlighten me. I'd like to know what you
get in BC different from FC I flew.

[Not the Karl Orff]

In article >,
(Yaofeng) wrote:


> I am ignorant to int'l BC. Enlighten me. I'd like to know what you
> get in BC different from FC I flew.

Recliner seats with foot rests. *Lots* of room. Personal IFE. Better
and more elaborate meal service.

[mrtravel]

Yaofeng wrote:
>
> I am ignorant to int'l BC. Enlighten me. I'd like to know what you
> get in BC different from FC I flew.

The seats are noticeably better.
This assumes the FC seat you were in was the same as the FC seat used
for Domestic FC. I know that AA calls this Business CLass on
international flights (like to Mexico) that use the domestic US FC seat.

On serveral airlines, international business class might get you a fully
or almost fully reclining seat.

[PTRAVEL]

"S Viemeister" > wrote in message
...
> PTRAVEL wrote:
> >
> > As far as I know, and I've been using CO as my primary carrier since TWA
> > went under and always at Gold Elite level, CO will not do status
upgrades on
> > "true" international flights, i.e. those that have Business First
service,
> > as opposed to standard domestic F. Upgrades to Business First require
> > cashing in miles, as well as purchase of specific coach fares which
> > generally exclude the most discounted fare bases.
> >
> CO has recently started also charging a fee, depending on ticket
purchased,
> of $300-$400 _in addition to miles_, for transatlantic upgrades (and
> probably others as well - I was only looking at the transatlantic routes).

That's not good. Is the fee for all fares, or just the discount ones?

[mrtravel]

PTRAVEL wrote:

>>
>>CO has recently started also charging a fee, depending on ticket
>
> purchased,
>
>>of $300-$400 _in a ...
>ddition to miles_, for transatlantic upgrades (and
>>probably others as well - I was only looking at the transatlantic routes).
>
>
> That's not good. Is the fee for all fares, or just the discount ones?
>

The list is here:


http://www.continental.com/onepass/rewards/upgrade/charts/chart_6.asp?SID=7A2423AB19784343B821B981D36987B0

[PTRAVEL]

"mrtravel" > wrote in message
...
> PTRAVEL wrote:
>
> >>
> >>CO has recently started also charging a fee, depending on ticket
> >
> > purchased,
> >
> >>of $300-$400 _in a ...
> >ddition to miles_, for transatlantic upgrades (and
> >>probably others as well - I was only looking at the transatlantic
routes).
> >
> >
> > That's not good. Is the fee for all fares, or just the discount ones?
> >
>
> The list is here:
>
>
>
http://www.continental.com/onepass/rewards/upgrade/charts/chart_6.asp?SID=7A2423AB19784343B821B981D36987B0
>

Hmmm. Here's the relevant quote:

BusinessFirst Select Economy Fares Upgrade Policy: Members who purchase a B,
V, Q, S, T or L fare can agree to pay a non-refundable service fee in
addition to the miles in order to be waitlisted for BusinessFirst. The
non-refundable service fee is 300.00 USD one way for B and V fares and
400.00 USD one way for Q, S, T and L fares.

$300-400 to be waitlisted, and non-refundable at that. Doesn't sound like
much of a deal.

[S Viemeister]

PTRAVEL wrote:
>
> BusinessFirst Select Economy Fares Upgrade Policy: Members who purchase a B,
> V, Q, S, T or L fare can agree to pay a non-refundable service fee in
> addition to the miles in order to be waitlisted for BusinessFirst. The
> non-refundable service fee is 300.00 USD one way for B and V fares and
> 400.00 USD one way for Q, S, T and L fares.
>
> $300-400 to be waitlisted, and non-refundable at that. Doesn't sound like
> much of a deal.
>
No, it doesn't.
I was really p***ed off when I found out - I've always liked Continental's
FF program, particularly the ability to upgrade one way. This new syatem
would make me go back to using BA, if BA hadn't just made their FF even
more user-unfriendly. Grr.

[Yaofeng]

Not the Karl Orff > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> (Yaofeng) wrote:
>
>
> > I am ignorant to int'l BC. Enlighten me. I'd like to know what you
> > get in BC different from FC I flew.
>
> Recliner seats with foot rests. *Lots* of room. Personal IFE. Better
> and more elaborate meal service.

What's IFE? The others are the same as "regular" FC I flew with CO.

[Yaofeng]

mrtravel > wrote in message >...
> Yaofeng wrote:
> >
> > I am ignorant to int'l BC. Enlighten me. I'd like to know what you
> > get in BC different from FC I flew.
>
> The seats are noticeably better.
> This assumes the FC seat you were in was the same as the FC seat used
> for Domestic FC. I know that AA calls this Business CLass on
> international flights (like to Mexico) that use the domestic US FC seat.
>
> On serveral airlines, international business class might get you a fully
> or almost fully reclining seat.

The last time I flew "real" BC was in '98 to Rio via Varig. As if the
FC flights I flew to the Carribean the past two year with CO are
"fake" ones. Are there any difference as far as I can tell? It has
almost fully reclining seat. That's one. And I get to use their
lounge in JFK. Well, it is only because the wait is longer. I don't
call the differences significant other than flight time which is 8
hours.

[Miguel Cruz]

Yaofeng > wrote:
> What's IFE?

In-flight entertainment.

miguel
--
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[mrtravel]

Yaofeng wrote:
> mrtravel > wrote in message >...
>
>>Yaofeng wrote:
>>
>>>I am ignorant to int'l BC. Enlighten me. I'd like to know what you
>>>get in BC different from FC I flew.
>>
>>The seats are noticeably better.
>>This assumes the FC seat you were in was the same as the FC seat used
>>for Domestic FC. I know that AA calls this Business CLass on
>>international flights (like to Mexico) that use the domestic US FC seat.
>>
>>On serveral airlines, international business class might get you a fully
>>or almost fully reclining seat.
>
>
> The last time I flew "real" BC was in '98 to Rio via Varig. As if the
> FC flights I flew to the Carribean the past two year with CO are
> "fake" ones. Are there any difference as far as I can tell? It has
> almost fully reclining seat.

Can you give us an example of the city pairs for one the flights and the
flight number (or time)?

[Yaofeng]

mrtravel > wrote in message >...
> Yaofeng wrote:
> > mrtravel > wrote in message >...
> >
> >>Yaofeng wrote:
> >>
> >>>I am ignorant to int'l BC. Enlighten me. I'd like to know what you
> >>>get in BC different from FC I flew.
> >>
> >>The seats are noticeably better.
> >>This assumes the FC seat you were in was the same as the FC seat used
> >>for Domestic FC. I know that AA calls this Business CLass on
> >>international flights (like to Mexico) that use the domestic US FC seat.
> >>
> >>On serveral airlines, international business class might get you a fully
> >>or almost fully reclining seat.
> >
> >
> > The last time I flew "real" BC was in '98 to Rio via Varig. As if the
> > FC flights I flew to the Carribean the past two year with CO are
> > "fake" ones. Are there any difference as far as I can tell? It has
> > almost fully reclining seat.
>
> Can you give us an example of the city pairs for one the flights and the
> flight number (or time)?

EWR and AUA, CO-1966 outbound (8:30AM), CO-1967 inbound (2:35PM), for example.

[Yaofeng]

(Miguel Cruz) wrote in message >...
> Yaofeng > wrote:
> > What's IFE?
>
> In-flight entertainment.
>
Namely?

[Miguel Cruz]

Yaofeng > wrote:
> (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> Yaofeng > wrote:
>>> What's IFE?
>>
>> In-flight entertainment.
>
> Namely?

Seat-back TV, movies, and video games.

miguel
--
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[mrtravel]

Yaofeng wrote:

>>
>>Can you give us an example of the city pairs for one the flights and the
>>flight number (or time)?
>
>
> EWR and AUA, CO-1966 outbound (8:30AM), CO-1967 inbound (2:35PM), for example.

This seems to be listed as a B737-800

Are you sure this is international first class seating?
It doesn't look like it.

[TMOliver]

(Miguel Cruz) vented spleen or mostly mumbled...

> Yaofeng > wrote:
>> (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>>> Yaofeng > wrote:
>>>> What's IFE?
>>>
>>> In-flight entertainment.
>>
>> Namely?
>
> Seat-back TV, movies, and video games.
>
Ahhh, for oldsters, it was the first layouts of the upper deck "lounge" on
the then new 747, which airlines could order up with a piano bar.

....or even for us big eaters, the high-protein 747 dinner flight on DL out
of SFO to DFW, a cart rolling thru 1st Class topped with (ribless) prime
rib carved to order...That was entertainment, long before the Atkin's
Diet....24 ounces or so of rare beef, a green salad, half a bottle of a
modest napa varnish stripper, a bit of cheese and some low end cognac and
there was Dallas on the horizon...

To hell with movies, I want entertainment!

TMO

[Yaofeng]

mrtravel > wrote in message >...
> Yaofeng wrote:
>
> >>
> >>Can you give us an example of the city pairs for one the flights and the
> >>flight number (or time)?
> >
> >
> > EWR and AUA, CO-1966 outbound (8:30AM), CO-1967 inbound (2:35PM), for example.
>
> This seems to be listed as a B737-800
>
> Are you sure this is international first class seating?
> It doesn't look like it.

It is usually 737-800, with occasional 757's. Am I sure it is int'l
FC? No, I am not. Unless you can define a check list of
qualifications for int'l FC and let me check it off.

If I am flying to a foreign country, and I am seated in the FC
section. You don't call it domestic ecnonomy. Do you?

[mrtravel]

Yaofeng wrote:

> mrtravel > wrote in message >...
>
>>Yaofeng wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Can you give us an example of the city pairs for one the flights and the
>>>>flight number (or time)?
>>>
>>>
>>>EWR and AUA, CO-1966 outbound (8:30AM), CO-1967 inbound (2:35PM), for example.
>>
>>This seems to be listed as a B737-800
>>
>>Are you sure this is international first class seating?
>>It doesn't look like it.
>
>
> It is usually 737-800, with occasional 757's. Am I sure it is int'l
> FC? No, I am not. Unless you can define a check list of
> qualifications for int'l FC and let me check it off.
>
> If I am flying to a foreign country, and I am seated in the FC
> section. You don't call it domestic ecnonomy. Do you?

AA would call it Business Class.

Do you fly domestically?
Is this the same as a domestic First Class seat?

[Yaofeng]

mrtravel > wrote in message >...
> Yaofeng wrote:
>
> > mrtravel > wrote in message >...
> >
> >>Yaofeng wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Can you give us an example of the city pairs for one the flights and the
> >>>>flight number (or time)?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>EWR and AUA, CO-1966 outbound (8:30AM), CO-1967 inbound (2:35PM), for example.
> >>
> >>This seems to be listed as a B737-800
> >>
> >>Are you sure this is international first class seating?
> >>It doesn't look like it.
> >
> >
> > It is usually 737-800, with occasional 757's. Am I sure it is int'l
> > FC? No, I am not. Unless you can define a check list of
> > qualifications for int'l FC and let me check it off.
> >
> > If I am flying to a foreign country, and I am seated in the FC
> > section. You don't call it domestic ecnonomy. Do you?
>
> AA would call it Business Class.
>
> Do you fly domestically?
> Is this the same as a domestic First Class seat?

You know all 737's are probably equipped with similar FC seats
regardless of the carrier. Because it is not degigned to go the
distance as longer range jets. So in that regard it has the same
seating as any domestic FC seats, i.e. not fully reclining.

[Judy]

To my learned traveling associates,

This thread has gone everywhere since it started!! As I read it, isn't
the issue really about how the flight crew (pilot, attendants) control
the timing of the videos?

Has anyone else noticed how quickly after takeoff the "we will now
begin the video portion of our flight" announcement occurs,
accompanied by the REQUIREMENT to lower the shades regardless of the
time of day at destination?

Flight crews are concerned about radiation levels, and don't want you
in the aisles while they serve "meals" and "drinks".

Travel safely and ask plenty of questions,
Cranky

[Jonathan Smith]

(Judy) wrote in message >...
> To my learned traveling associates,
>
> This thread has gone everywhere since it started!! As I read it, isn't
> the issue really about how the flight crew (pilot, attendants) control
> the timing of the videos?
>
> Has anyone else noticed how quickly after takeoff the "we will now
> begin the video portion of our flight" announcement occurs,
> accompanied by the REQUIREMENT to lower the shades regardless of the
> time of day at destination?

Not once has it been required - I have heard it requested and I have
seen sheeple comply. In no case has it been anything other than a
request.

> Flight crews are concerned about radiation levels, and don't want you
> in the aisles while they serve "meals" and "drinks".

And closing the shades helps keep "radiation" levels lower?

> Travel safely and ask plenty of questions,
> Cranky

no kidding

[Chip]

Jonathan Smith wrote:
>
> (Judy) wrote in message >...
> > To my learned traveling associates,
> >
> > This thread has gone everywhere since it started!! As I read it, isn't
> > the issue really about how the flight crew (pilot, attendants) control
> > the timing of the videos?
> >
> > Has anyone else noticed how quickly after takeoff the "we will now
> > begin the video portion of our flight" announcement occurs,
> > accompanied by the REQUIREMENT to lower the shades regardless of the
> > time of day at destination?
>
> Not once has it been required - I have heard it requested and I have
> seen sheeple comply. In no case has it been anything other than a
> request.

On my last America West flight, it was required. The FAs came around
snarling to enforce it.

[mrtravel]

Chip wrote:

> Jonathan Smith wrote:
>
(Judy) wrote in message >...
>>
>>>To my learned traveling associates,
>>>
>>>This thread has gone everywhere since it started!! As I read it, isn't
>>>the issue really about how the flight crew (pilot, attendants) control
>>>the timing of the videos?
>>>
>>>Has anyone else noticed how quickly after takeoff the "we will now
>>>begin the video portion of our flight" announcement occurs,
>>>accompanied by the REQUIREMENT to lower the shades regardless of the
>>>time of day at destination?
>>
>>Not once has it been required - I have heard it requested and I have
>>seen sheeple comply. In no case has it been anything other than a
>>request.
>
>
> On my last America West flight, it was required. The FAs came around
> snarling to enforce it.

And if you refused?

[Jonathan Smith]

Chip > wrote in message >...
> Jonathan Smith wrote:
> >
> > (Judy) wrote in message >...
> > > To my learned traveling associates,
> > >
> > > This thread has gone everywhere since it started!! As I read it, isn't
> > > the issue really about how the flight crew (pilot, attendants) control
> > > the timing of the videos?
> > >
> > > Has anyone else noticed how quickly after takeoff the "we will now
> > > begin the video portion of our flight" announcement occurs,
> > > accompanied by the REQUIREMENT to lower the shades regardless of the
> > > time of day at destination?
> >
> > Not once has it been required - I have heard it requested and I have
> > seen sheeple comply. In no case has it been anything other than a
> > request.
>
> On my last America West flight, it was required. The FAs came around
> snarling to enforce it.

You may have felt it was, but it was not. The only reasonable request
regarding window shades is that they be raised for takeoff and
landing. That is a (supposed) safety issue. You are asked to raise
your shade so you can see through the window. Not for the view, but to
help you remain oriented (which way is up, etc.) if there's an
accident. Further, it lets you see what hazards exist outside (fires,
debris and such), which would be important during an evacuation.
Additionally it lets light into the cabin and makes it easier for
rescuers to see inside. (note - plagerized)

js

[Not the Karl Orff]

In article >,
(Yaofeng) wrote:


> You know all 737's are probably equipped with similar FC seats
> regardless of the carrier. Because it is not degigned to go the
> distance as longer range jets. So in that regard it has the same
> seating as any domestic FC seats, i.e. not fully reclining.

No. While most 737 operators do use standard FC/BC seating, a few
don't. For example FJ (Air Pacific) uses int'l BC type seats (with 50"
pitch) for its NAN-HNL-YVR flight (that's as close to trans-Pacific as
you can get, on a 737). While the seats are not fully-reclining,
they're comparable to the older and current BC offerings of airlines
such as CX, QF and BA in thse airlines' 747s.

[Not the Karl Orff]

In article >,
(Yaofeng) wrote:


> It is usually 737-800, with occasional 757's. Am I sure it is int'l
> FC? No, I am not. Unless you can define a check list of
> qualifications for int'l FC and let me check it off.

The 757s may have internatonal BC seating as CO does fly 757s across the
atlantic and configures the a/c used for such flights as BusinessFirst
ones.

A quick checklist for seating would be seat pitch. The room between the
front of your seat and the back of the one in front of you (when seat
backs are up at least) should be at least 2". The legrest in your seat
should also come up quite a way, at least 45 degrees, when fully
extended/raised.

[Miguel Cruz]

Not the Karl Orff > wrote:
> A quick checklist for seating would be seat pitch. The room between the
> front of your seat and the back of the one in front of you (when seat
> backs are up at least) should be at least 2".

What about those of us who are not double-amputees?

miguel
--
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[Not the Karl Orff]

In article >,
(Miguel Cruz) wrote:

> Not the Karl Orff > wrote:
> > A quick checklist for seating would be seat pitch. The room between the
> > front of your seat and the back of the one in front of you (when seat
> > backs are up at least) should be at least 2".
>
> What about those of us who are not double-amputees?

or really skinny models or anorexic/bulemics & assorted death camp
inmates and prisoners. I meant 2'

[Miguel Cruz]

Not the Karl Orff > wrote:
> (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> Not the Karl Orff > wrote:
>>> A quick checklist for seating would be seat pitch. The room between the
>>> front of your seat and the back of the one in front of you (when seat
>>> backs are up at least) should be at least 2".
>>
>> What about those of us who are not double-amputees?
>
> or really skinny models or anorexic/bulemics & assorted death camp
> inmates and prisoners. I meant 2'

And here I thought you'd just been put in charge of ergonomic engineering
for Virgin Atlantic!

miguel
--
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[Doug Weller]

On 10 Sep 2003 11:33:26 -0700, in rec.travel.air, Yaofeng wrote:
[SNIP]
>
>I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few occasions. I
>know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie
>finish. Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I
>'d never rent it to see it just the last 10 minutes.

Coming in to this pretty late, we were flying Boston - Chicago, and the
flight took longer than scheduled, and there still wasn't time to finish
the movie! This was an afternoon flight.

Doug
--
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[mrtravel]

Doug Weller wrote:

> On 10 Sep 2003 11:33:26 -0700, in rec.travel.air, Yaofeng wrote:
> [SNIP]
>
>>I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few occasions. I
>>know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie
>>finish. Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I
>>'d never rent it to see it just the last 10 minutes.
>
>
> Coming in to this pretty late, we were flying Boston - Chicago, and the
> flight took longer than scheduled, and there still wasn't time to finish
> the movie! This was an afternoon flight.

The flight time from BOS-ORD is about 863 miles.. What movie?
I didn't think a flight of under 2 hours would have a movie.

[Doug Weller]

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:41:27 GMT, mrtravel wrote:

> Doug Weller wrote:
>
>> On 10 Sep 2003 11:33:26 -0700, in rec.travel.air, Yaofeng wrote:
>> [SNIP]
>>
>>>I hate it when that happens. It happened to me on a few occasions. I
>>>know, the pilot would never circle the airport to let the movie
>>>finish. Personally I'd rather circle the airport to let it finish. I
>>>'d never rent it to see it just the last 10 minutes.
>>
>> Coming in to this pretty late, we were flying Boston - Chicago, and the
>> flight took longer than scheduled, and there still wasn't time to finish
>> the movie! This was an afternoon flight.
>
> The flight time from BOS-ORD is about 863 miles.. What movie?
> I didn't think a flight of under 2 hours would have a movie.

ATA Logan - Midway, that's about 3 hours 10 minutes. I don't remember the
movie's name, who cares? They shouldn't show movies that are too long for
the flight, surely?

Doug