Should I avoid tour groups?
 

Here's the situation: I paid my fee to get into the palace in Madrid. I am
walking around, bothering nobody, when suddenly a tour guide says to me
"Why are you listening to my presentation?" It's not as if I was in her
group or hanging on to the group and following them from room to room. I was
going at my own pace. She acted as if I should immediately leave the area if
she started to talk. A bit later, I wandered into the room with the musical
instruments and was looking at the violins. She ushered her group into the
room and gave me the evil stare. I didn't leave. I liked the grouping of
instruments that were made to look identical with the ivory inlays and saw
no reason to leave the room. I was there first!

I have noticed this territorial attempt to dominate everyone from other tour
guides. So, should I leave the room if one of them moves her group into the
same room?

Pat

Should I avoid tour groups?
 

On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:30:10 -0500, PatTX wrote:
Here's the situation: I paid my fee to get into the palace in Madrid. I am
walking around, bothering nobody, when suddenly a tour guide says to me
"Why are you listening to my presentation?" It's not as if I was in her
group or hanging on to the group and following them from room to room. I was

I'd counter with "Why are you speaking into my ear? If you don't want
to be heard then don't talk. If you want privacy, then reserve the
rooms. If you don't have a reservation than you haven't a right to
ask me to leave"

Should I avoid tour groups?
 

PatTX wrote on Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:30:10 -0500:

I have noticed this territorial attempt to dominate everyone
from other tour guides. So, should I leave the room if one of them
moves her group into the same room?

I've not had this happen but a large group can rather disrupt things
with the guide talking loudly and sometimes, in France, yelling "Coo Ee"
to gather the group. I did once do the reverse when we took a tour with
a French guide. I noticed grumbles because I was translating the spiel
for my son. The guide was quite pleasant and pointed this out to the
grumblers.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

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In article ,
"PatTX" wrote:

Here's the situation: I paid my fee to get into the palace in Madrid. I am
walking around, bothering nobody, when suddenly a tour guide says to me
"Why are you listening to my presentation?" It's not as if I was in her
group or hanging on to the group and following them from room to room. I was
going at my own pace. She acted as if I should immediately leave the area if
she started to talk. A bit later, I wandered into the room with the musical
instruments and was looking at the violins. She ushered her group into the
room and gave me the evil stare. I didn't leave. I liked the grouping of
instruments that were made to look identical with the ivory inlays and saw
no reason to leave the room. I was there first!

I have noticed this territorial attempt to dominate everyone from other tour
guides. So, should I leave the room if one of them moves her group into the
same room?

Never! I've listened to other people's tours from time to time, but no
one has ever told me I couldn't. In fact, one time a friend and I
attached ourselves physically to one going through some tunnels with
only two or three flashlights for the whole group.

--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)

You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is
that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov

Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo*

Should I avoid tour groups?
 

PatTX wrote:
Here's the situation: I paid my fee to get into the palace in Madrid. I am
walking around, bothering nobody, when suddenly a tour guide says to me
"Why are you listening to my presentation?" It's not as if I was in her
group or hanging on to the group and following them from room to room. I was
going at my own pace. She acted as if I should immediately leave the area if
she started to talk. A bit later, I wandered into the room with the musical
instruments and was looking at the violins. She ushered her group into the
room and gave me the evil stare. I didn't leave. I liked the grouping of
instruments that were made to look identical with the ivory inlays and saw
no reason to leave the room. I was there first!

I have noticed this territorial attempt to dominate everyone from other tour
guides. So, should I leave the room if one of them moves her group into the
same room?

Pat

Why? If the museum provides guided tours, presumably they are included
in the price of admission, and visitors may participate or not as they
choose. If it is a private tour, the guide should expect to be
overheard by other museum patrons (unless the venue has been reserved at
the time for that particular group, which I doubt would be the case
during normal hours of operation).

Should I avoid tour groups?
 

"PatTX" wrote in message
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Here's the situation: I paid my fee to get into the palace in Madrid. I am
walking around, bothering nobody, when suddenly a tour guide says to me
"Why are you listening to my presentation?" It's not as if I was in her
group or hanging on to the group and following them from room to room. I
was going at my own pace. She acted as if I should immediately leave the
area if she started to talk. A bit later, I wandered into the room with
the musical instruments and was looking at the violins. She ushered her
group into the room and gave me the evil stare. I didn't leave. I liked
the grouping of instruments that were made to look identical with the
ivory inlays and saw no reason to leave the room. I was there first!

I have noticed this territorial attempt to dominate everyone from other
tour guides. So, should I leave the room if one of them moves her group
into the same room?

Personally I like to keep my eavsdropping as unobtrusive as possible; it is
always possible to engage some other object with the eyes while assimilating
comments of interest from the guide. s

Should I avoid tour groups?
 

On Mar 20, 10:30*am, "PatTX" wrote:
Here's the situation: I paid my fee to get into the palace in Madrid. I am
walking around, bothering nobody, when suddenly a tour guide says to me
"Why are you listening to my presentation?" *It's not as if I was in her
group or hanging on to the group and following them from room to room. I was
going at my own pace. She acted as if I should immediately leave the area if
she started to talk. *A bit later, I wandered into the room with the musical
instruments and was looking at the violins. She ushered her group into the
room and gave me the evil stare. *I didn't leave. I liked the grouping of
instruments that were made to look identical with the ivory inlays and saw
no reason to leave the room. I was there first!

I have noticed this territorial attempt to dominate everyone from other tour
guides. So, should I leave the room if one of them moves her group into the
same room?

Pat

Just tell her to **** off.

Should I avoid tour groups?
 

PatTX writes:

I have noticed this territorial attempt to dominate everyone from other tour
guides. So, should I leave the room if one of them moves her group into the
same room?

No. Stand your ground. Tour guides are authorized to speak in museums as a
privilege, not as a right, and the other people visiting the museum are not
required to submit to them, evil glare or not.

Should I avoid tour groups?
 

On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:30:10 -0500, "PatTX"
wrote:

Here's the situation: I paid my fee to get into the palace in Madrid. I am
walking around, bothering nobody, when suddenly a tour guide says to me
"Why are you listening to my presentation?" It's not as if I was in her
group or hanging on to the group and following them from room to room. I was
going at my own pace. She acted as if I should immediately leave the area if
she started to talk. A bit later, I wandered into the room with the musical
instruments and was looking at the violins. She ushered her group into the
room and gave me the evil stare. I didn't leave. I liked the grouping of
instruments that were made to look identical with the ivory inlays and saw
no reason to leave the room. I was there first!

I have noticed this territorial attempt to dominate everyone from other tour
guides. So, should I leave the room if one of them moves her group into the
same room?

Pat


Speaking as a tour-guide: no. Not n a public building. No way.

However, if I were guiding on a city tour, and I noticed you following
me and my group from sight to sight, I'd ask you to pay for the tour
or just **** right off.


Keith (formerly of Bristol UK)
now moved to Berlin/nach Berlin umgezogen

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Anything else to say ?
Duh.

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Here's the situation: I paid my fee to get into the palace in Madrid. I am
walking around, bothering nobody, when suddenly a tour guide says to me
"Why are you listening to my presentation?" It's not as if I was in her
group or hanging on to the group and following them from room to room. I
was going at my own pace. She acted as if I should immediately leave the
area if she started to talk. A bit later, I wandered into the room with
the musical instruments and was looking at the violins. She ushered her
group into the room and gave me the evil stare. I didn't leave. I liked
the grouping of instruments that were made to look identical with the
ivory inlays and saw no reason to leave the room. I was there first!

I have noticed this territorial attempt to dominate everyone from other
tour guides. So, should I leave the room if one of them moves her group
into the same room?

Pat