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On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:50:36 +0100, "Graeme Miller"
wrote: Conversational Italian now... The older language tapes suggest that "Ciao" is only for use between friends of if you're talking to children. The more modern BBC late night programmes sprinkle the greeting around quite liberally as if its got the same status as "Hi" in English. Yes, "ciao" is about as informal as "hi" in English. However, Italians tend to be a bit more formal than most English speakers. If you're old enough to remember, you can use the same guidelines that would have been current in the US up until the mid 1960s. (I don't know what the watershed years were for formality in the UK.) When I first came to Italy I used to decide whether to use the formal or familiar verb forms by thinking whether this person would have been addressed as "Mr." or "Mrs." by my mother when I was a child. -- Barbara Vaughan My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:52:49 GMT, "tile" wrote:
and did you have use Salve as a greeting ?? I guess salve would be used a little more south than Umbria and Lazio. ( I guess from the latin Salvete.. from salus / salutis health ) "Salve" is widely used in Le Marche, which is north of Lazio, and mostly north of Umbria. It is definitely derived from the Latin. -- Barbara Vaughan My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup |
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B Vaughan typed: On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 05:02:58 GMT, "tile" wrote: i have never used salve in my life.. Many other Italians use it liberally, especially when they can't decide whether "ciao" or "buon giorno" would be more appropriate, or when they want to avoid being too informal yet don't want to feel servile. (For instance employees to their boss.) "Arrivederci" is likewise neutral in formality. Barbara, how about "arrivederla"? Am I right that it's more formal than "arrivederci" and used less frequently? -- Ken Blake Please reply to the newsgroup |
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:04:45 -0700, "Ken Blake"
wrote: In , B Vaughan typed: On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 05:02:58 GMT, "tile" wrote: i have never used salve in my life.. Many other Italians use it liberally, especially when they can't decide whether "ciao" or "buon giorno" would be more appropriate, or when they want to avoid being too informal yet don't want to feel servile. (For instance employees to their boss.) "Arrivederci" is likewise neutral in formality. Barbara, how about "arrivederla"? Am I right that it's more formal than "arrivederci" and used less frequently? That's correct. It's rare to hear "arrivederla". -- --- DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com --- -- |
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DDT Filled Mormons wrote:
Barbara, how about "arrivederla"? Am I right that it's more formal than "arrivederci" and used less frequently? That's correct. It's rare to hear "arrivederla". "Arrivederla" has a somewhat Tuscan sound. Almost unheard outside Tuscany (where, often, it is pronounced as "arrivedella" and may be made to sound either respectful or mocking). -- Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: Home page: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/archivarius (musicologia pratica) |
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On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:04:45 -0700, "Ken Blake"
wrote: Barbara, how about "arrivederla"? Am I right that it's more formal than "arrivederci" and used less frequently? ArrivederLa is more or less "Until I'll see you again", while "arrivederci" is "until we'll see each other again". Since the first has "you" in it, and the "you" is in the formal form, that automatically makes it more formal. In summary, "arrivederci" is neutral in formality, and when "arrivederLa" is used instead, the speaker may be intentionally emphasizing the formality of the "La". -- Barbara Vaughan My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup |
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Local usage in Venice is either ciao or buon giorno upon greeting friends
and, old and young alike, ciao ciao upon parting ( sort of "hi," and "see you.") Arrivederci has become a kind of pleasant flourish -- an assurance that we'll meet again: a usage for when the lapse of time might be extended. Buon giorno upon greeting is more common than ciao amongst friends: if I meet a friend and it is the first meeting of the day and we might stop to chat, it is usually buon giorno. After that it is ciao. At any time, tho, If we happen pass on the street we wave a quick ciao. rjf "B Vaughan" wrote in message ... On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:50:36 +0100, "Graeme Miller" wrote: Conversational Italian now... The older language tapes suggest that "Ciao" is only for use between friends of if you're talking to children. The more modern BBC late night programmes sprinkle the greeting around quite liberally as if its got the same status as "Hi" in English. Yes, "ciao" is about as informal as "hi" in English. However, Italians tend to be a bit more formal than most English speakers. If you're old enough to remember, you can use the same guidelines that would have been current in the US up until the mid 1960s. (I don't know what the watershed years were for formality in the UK.) When I first came to Italy I used to decide whether to use the formal or familiar verb forms by thinking whether this person would have been addressed as "Mr." or "Mrs." by my mother when I was a child. -- Barbara Vaughan My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup |
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In ,
B Vaughan typed: On Tue, 5 Jul 2005 18:04:45 -0700, "Ken Blake" wrote: Barbara, how about "arrivederla"? Am I right that it's more formal than "arrivederci" and used less frequently? ArrivederLa is more or less "Until I'll see you again", while "arrivederci" is "until we'll see each other again". Since the first has "you" in it, and the "you" is in the formal form, that automatically makes it more formal. In summary, "arrivederci" is neutral in formality, and when "arrivederLa" is used instead, the speaker may be intentionally emphasizing the formality of the "La". Thanks, Barbara (also Luca and DFM). -- Ken Blake Please reply to the newsgroup |
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On Wed, 6 Jul 2005 10:05:41 -0400, "Bob Fusillo"
wrote: Local usage in Venice is either ciao or buon giorno upon greeting friends and, old and young alike, ciao ciao upon parting ( sort of "hi," and "see you.") Arrivederci has become a kind of pleasant flourish -- an assurance that we'll meet again: a usage for when the lapse of time might be extended. Buon giorno upon greeting is more common than ciao amongst friends: if I meet a friend and it is the first meeting of the day and we might stop to chat, it is usually buon giorno. After that it is ciao. At any time, tho, If we happen pass on the street we wave a quick ciao. I might add that (at least in Le Marche), you generally don't say "ciao" on meeting a group of people. In that case, "buon giorno/sera" is called for. "Ciao" is more a one-on-one greeting. On parting the same rule doesn't seem to apply. -- Barbara Vaughan My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup |
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