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  #21  
Old February 10th, 2004, 12:21 AM
Bob Myers
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"Traveller" wrote in message
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Oh yeah? From
http://www.caa.co.uk/publications/pu...ils.asp?id=751

".. a number of anomalies were found and are detailed in the report. The
test results endorse current policies restricting the use of cellphones in
aircraft."


And again, you will please note that I already stated there are
other reasons for not using a cell phone in flight.


and from section 6.2 of the report, available for download at the link
above:

"... the following anomalies were seen at interference levels above 30
volts/metre, a level that can be produced by a cellphone operating at
maximum power and located 30cms from the victim equipment **or its wiring
harness**


Do you have any idea how high a 30 V/m field strength is?

Do you believe that a cell phone located within the passenger cabin is
going to be "located 30 cm from the victim equipment or its
wiring harness"?

Do you understand the principle of shielding?

Please note that I am NOT endorsing the notion that people use cellphones
on aircraft in flight; I am simply stating that the dangers have been hugely
overstated.

Bob M.


  #22  
Old February 10th, 2004, 12:22 AM
Bob Myers
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"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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So do *you* know exactly where the wiring harnesses are on a Boeing 747..?
No, of course you don't, unless you're an aircraft engineer working on
them.


I am very, very certain that the relevant harnesses are not located
within 30 cm of any point within the passenger cabin, unless
separated from said cabin by a rather substantial piece of
conductive material.

Bob M.




  #23  
Old February 10th, 2004, 12:24 AM
a_dude
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how about an all-in-one device....instead of carrying hundreds of
contraptions....

dont have such a narrow mind...

monkeys do...

cheers

"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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"mrtravelkay" wrote in message
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Ivor Jones wrote:


Please post all flights on which you intend travelling, so I can avoid
them.


If the phone is in "flight-mode", this means it is not transmitting as a
cell phone. The purpose of flight mode is to use the other features of
the phone in flight. Why would this cause you to want to avoid the
flight. It would be the same as using a game boy.


There are good reasons why phones are not permitted to be used on aircraft
and I for one don't want to be on a plane where someone has one switched
on. The so-called "flight" mode might switch off the radio sections of the
phone, on the other hand it might not and I don't want to be there.

The purpose of a phone is to make and receive phone calls. If you want to
use a game boy, whatever that is, then use one, not a phone. At least on
any plane I'm on..!

Ivor





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Old February 10th, 2004, 12:49 AM
Ivor Jones
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"DALing" daling43[delete]-at-hotmail.com wrote in message
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Number 1 - I ALWAYS top post. (except when it's a "clip and snip large

post
section --which this isn't)


That's you killfiled then. Read the usenet ettiquette files.

Number 2 - you appear to be of the ilk - "My mind is made up - don't

confuse
me with the facts"


My mind is made up that I don't want to be put at risk by idiots on
aircraft, yes.

No sense trying to set you straight...(BTW - I don't use a cell phone on

a
plane but it wouldn't have any impact on SAFETY)


And you *know* and can *prove* this to a pilot in flight, can you..?

Ivor


  #25  
Old February 10th, 2004, 12:52 AM
Ivor Jones
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"Bob Myers" wrote in message
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"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
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A cell phone in "flight mode" poses no more danger to the aircraft
operation than any other type of electronic device - and the

supposed
dangers from electronic devices in general has been incredibly over-
stated.


Well you can believe what you like, but don't use a phone on any

aircraft
I'm on. Like I said before, better safe than dead.


Sigh. You will note that I also said there were OTHER perfectly
valid reasons for not using a cell phone in-flight. But in terms of
"believing what I like", I DO think I'm speaking from the perspective
of one reasonably well qualified in the area in question, and further

have
a pretty good amount of research backing up this position.


Links to documented evidence please. Not theory, PROVEN FACT.

Tell me, do you also worry about meteorites knocking the aircraft
you're on out of the sky?


No, because it's a hell of a lot less likely than some idiot switching a
phone on while airborne.

Tell me, how would you explain yourself to a pilot about to have you
thrown off the aircraft..?


Ivor


  #26  
Old February 10th, 2004, 12:54 AM
Ivor Jones
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"a_dude" wrote in message
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how about an all-in-one device....instead of carrying hundreds of
contraptions....

dont have such a narrow mind...

monkeys do...

cheers


Oh God another top poster..

plonk..

Ivor


  #27  
Old February 10th, 2004, 01:06 AM
a_dude
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learn to adapt mate...thats what makes us different from monkeys...

cheers

"Ivor Jones" wrote in message
...

"a_dude" wrote in message
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how about an all-in-one device....instead of carrying hundreds of
contraptions....

dont have such a narrow mind...

monkeys do...

cheers


Oh God another top poster..

plonk..

Ivor




  #28  
Old February 10th, 2004, 01:11 AM
nobody
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DALing wrote:

Number 1 - I ALWAYS top post. (except when it's a "clip and snip large post
section --which this isn't)


Why do you insist on breaking the newsgroup etiquette ?

If you're going to insist on not putting your reply BELOW a short quote, then
don't quote at all. Quoting below your own text is absolutely stupid, useless
and wastes bandwidth and everyopne,e time because you instintively go to the
bottom first.
  #29  
Old February 10th, 2004, 01:22 AM
Imya Rek
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JF Mezei trolled:

DALing wrote:

Number 1 - I ALWAYS top post. (except when it's a "clip and snip large post
section --which this isn't)


Why do you insist on breaking the newsgroup etiquette ?


BWAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Look who's preaching about netiquette!!!

====================

THE JF MEZEI FAQ

====================


1. Who is JF Mezei?

Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever hit
rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups. He is also one of the
longest running trolls in usenet history.

2. How long has he been trolling?

For well over a decade.

3. Where does he live?

Jean-Francois Mezei
86 Harwood Gate
Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3
(514) 695-8259

4. What makes him such a malicious troll?

His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless. Once he invades your
newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, day in and day out,
every day of the year, for years and years on end. He does not listen to pleas
to stop, he does not listen to anything anyone tells him, he does not pay
attention when the misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just
goes right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his ears
closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"

5. What does he troll about?

His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex. He hates the
USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn it into a USA-bashing
fest. If he can't do that then he'll just start making lewd posts.

6. What does he hate about the USA?

Everything! He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have a visceral
hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly. The USA is a happier, better, more
successful version of their country and they can't stand it. Some of JF's
favorite troll bait is "the Bush regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis of
evil", "Americans are brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all
Americans are stupid" etc.

7. What about his sexual trolling?

Ah, that is JF at his trolling best. No sexual topic is too bizarre. Among his
favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women's genitalia, sex toys,
circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of course) ... the list is endless.

8. Circumcision???

Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years. He still likes to insert
circumcision into his trolling every now and then. Apparently, JF was
traumatized as a child because his parents, poor Hungarian immigrants to Canada,
left him uncircumcised when he was born, as is the custom in most of the world.
Growing up in Canada where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time,
he was psychologically scarred (so he claims). As soon as he could he arranged
to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades of circumcision
proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a free willy. His main
argument is how much better he was able to masturbate after getting circumcised
without that "pesky foreskin" getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has
made it his mission in life to spread the circumcision gospel.

9. What's his interest in child sexuality? That sounds kind of freaky.

Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky. Among the subjects dear
to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, especially little boy's
foreskins (and how tight they are) and little girls' hymens. He is also a
tireless activist and advocate that children should be taught to masturbate
early on so that they don't grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".

He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their little
boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, proper movement,
and that they be able to masturbate with no problems. Utopia for JF would be a
world full of parents manipulating their little boys' penises.

10. Ewww! This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the minute! Are
you sure about all this stuff?

Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself. There's over a decade full
of Mezei trolling in there.

11. How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the time like
all trolls do?

Of course! See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling
aliases.

12. So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he work?

Ha ha ha! JF hasn't worked a day in his life! He's an adult baby, a grown man
who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and trolls the newsgroups
all night. In his free time when he isn't trolling he likes to ride his bike
down to Dorval Airport and race the planes down the runway in his bike.

13. That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?

Bingo! JF is a boy in a grown man's body. Psychologically he never got past
the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor (i.e. "pull my
finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.

14. Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about them, is
that true?

Yes! JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in the locker room.
He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has seen in locker rooms over
the years, especially his unnatural obsession with foreskins. He stalks the men
in locker rooms trying to measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is
left if they have been circumcised. He gets extremely excited when he spots a
case of phimosis.

15. Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts! He should be locked up in an insane asylum!

Yep, JF is certifiably insane. He lives in a black helicopter / tin foil hat
world where others are out to get him. The key to understanding JF is that he
sees himself as a VICTIM. To JF the world is out to get him, especially the
USA. Victimhood is what JF is all about.

What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian rail system was
"killed", in his words. He used to be a major train nut, spotting trains,
writing down their numbers and chasing them down at the train yard like a good
freak. Then he turned his attention to aviation. Major events that made him
fall head first deep into the abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines and
their subsequent takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil). So paranoid is
he that when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees
went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to cover up the Air
Canada markings. He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of the crash
investigation. He has never recovered from this.

16. Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!

His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to some ancient,
arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken seriously for
decades. JF hangs out there with other misfits and social dropouts who share
his psychological traumas, crying for the good old vax days of yore. It's
really pathetic!

17. Where else does he hang out?

can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geeky computer
groups. For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster he invaded the
sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, and trolled it relentlessly
with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crap he's so famous for. But they ran
him off that group and he had to go crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail
between his legs, licking his wounds.

18. It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and doesn't troll.

Pretty much. For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so he slips
in troll bait every now and then, but by and large he respects comp.os.vms, and,
more importantly, he tries to hide his trolling activities from them so they
won't find out what a major netkook he is.

19. Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho
he is!

Exactly. Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms. And while you're at
it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido too. And to
alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.

20. What else can I do? Is there an abuse address?

Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:





And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely. Post it to newsgroups, email it to
people, you may host it at your own website, send it to newspapers and magazines
that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.


*** APPENDIX ***

List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over the years. This is
only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.






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nobody
nobody
nobody
nobody
nobody
nobody
nobody
snowy squirrel
Conspiracy Theory
Lou Raccoon
Flapping Labias
Throbbing vulva
Twin Gonads
Loose Scrotum
Raised Organ
Popped Cherry
Monica Lewinski
Deep Fried Foreskin
Aroma of Smegma
Wet fart
Pubic dandruff
Voluptuous Nipple
Inserted Finger
Pubic Nair
Flatulent Meatus
Lihk Mhygroin
Pre Khum
Phi Mosis
Bal Anatis
Fren Ullum
Ivanna Getlaid
Ivanna Wankalot
Ivanna Umpalot
Wan Tnoneofit
Wan Itbad
Wan Towank
Wan Tolik
Testos Terone
Upper Gonad
Right Gonad
Left Gonad
Tyson's Glands
Nose Hair
Coronal Sulcus
Corpus Cavernus
Armpit moisture
Onani Room
Arnie's Banana
Raised eyebrows
Vas Deferens
Naked Canuck
Arni's socks
Notable Exception
Unpopped Cherry
Tatooed Ovaries
Pierced eyelid
Limp Tomato
Eggplant Earrings
Banana Underpants
Naval Lint
Ingrown Toenail
Empty Stomach
Full Stomach
Smelly Cat
Torn Ligament
Art Tistic
Furry Raccoon
Wet Racoon
Mad Racoon
Lazy Racoon
Eaten Racoon
Happy Raccoon
Sleeping Racoon
Hungry Racoon
Horny Raccoon
Smart Raccoon
George W Raccoon
Ronald McRaccoon
Thirsty Raccoon
Johnny Raccoon
Oshi Santo
Oishi Chinko
T.Yellow
Q
Borg Queen
Ronald Wilkerson
John Balterman

*DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*

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Old February 10th, 2004, 01:29 AM
Shawn \Me\ Hearn
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In article ,
"Ivor Jones" wrote:

"mrtravelkay" wrote in message
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Ivor Jones wrote:


Please post all flights on which you intend travelling, so I can avoid
them.


If the phone is in "flight-mode", this means it is not transmitting as a
cell phone. The purpose of flight mode is to use the other features of
the phone in flight. Why would this cause you to want to avoid the
flight. It would be the same as using a game boy.


There are good reasons why phones are not permitted to be used on aircraft
and I for one don't want to be on a plane where someone has one switched
on. The so-called "flight" mode might switch off the radio sections of the
phone, on the other hand it might not and I don't want to be there.


Feh! What makes you think you haven't been on a flight already where a
passenger simply forgot to switch off his or her cell phone? i have to
admit that nine times out of ten, I forget to switch off my pager (which
also transmits) and sometimes my cell phone when I fly because I
typically just tuck them in one of my carry-on bags before I arrive at
the airport so I don't have to worry about dumping it in one of those
inspection bins. I also throw my house keys and car keys in my carry-on
bag and my other personal electronic items such as my camera. So far, I
have yet to cause a flight to crash. Besides, how is this any more risky
than those in-flight telephones that are placed behind the passenger
seats? Either way, a wireless signal is involved and I doubt cell phones
and navigational equipment work on the same radio frequency anyway.
 




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