American Airlines smacks down frisky gay couple

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:51:22 -0400, lab~rat :-) wrote:

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 11:53:10 -0500, Alan Moorman
puked:

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:58:04 GMT, "Wull"
wrote:

What a bunch of crap. I thought the scenario was that what people do
in the
privacy of their own home (uncontested) is what gay people desire. I
agree
with that 100%. Doing anything in poor taste out in public by any
couples
should be frowned upon. I don't think anyone alive would object to
private
affairs, except maybe a few religious fanatics.

Wull--who is very old fashioned.


I agree that it might have been in bad taste.

But, can you EVER expect the cabin crew to come talk to a hetero
couple for kissing a bit? I've been on flights where that happened
a lot, and non of the crew even blinked an eye.

So, there is NO justification for what went on regarding the two men.

NONE.

If one person was made uncomfortable by the unnecessary action it was
justified enough.

Bull****. No one has the right not to be offended. One person or a
thousand people's whining by itself is not enough to _force_ anyone to do,
or stop doing, _anything_. Got that? They were doing nothing wrong, and no
one had any business trying to stifle them.

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:57:54 -0400, lab~rat :-) wrote:

On 23 Sep 2006 11:10:18 -0700, puked:

wrote:
To the great majority of the world 2 homosexuals engaging in anything
other than light chit-chat is going to bring some negative attention.
Rightly so, if it is NOT the norm, then it is to be expected that it
will not be treated as normal.

I am not understanding how this turns into something about how gays
should be treated equal and how they were mistreated and blah, blah...

Heck, we don't treat a lot of people equal, so why start with
homosexuals?

**** you, bitch or asshole. You would love to be treated horribly too,
wouldn't you? Do not ****ing complain when you get treated unfairly.
Kapish, asshole? Once again, this is America, jack. Like I told the
other asshole (labrat), if you find even the lightest homosexual PDA
offensive, turn the cheek. Who the **** do you think you are to judge
what is "norm?"

[snipping the rest of it's bull**** nonsense. blah blah blah]

Bill Hewlett

I guess differing opinions aren't tolerated in your world. Who's to
say that I have any obligation to tolerate people making out in an
airplane?

It's called freedom. That means that if you don't want to tolerate people
doing something that isn't illegal...too ****ing bad.

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:52:29 -0400, lab~rat :-) wrote:

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 16:48:15 GMT, Strife767
puked:

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 08:39:04 -0400, lab~rat :-)
wrote:

And that hasn't been proven. If there was a heterosexual couple on
the same flight doing the same thing and they weren't asked to stop,
MAYBE then there would be some argument.

Bottom line is that if a heterosexual couple were asked to stop,
chances are more than good that it wouldn't have escalated into some
type of psuedo-Rosa Parks like discrimination crusade. They would
have quietly stopped, end of story, no one hurt.

I see "if" a lot up there. Of course, since no one ever complains about
a
hetero couple doing that kind of thing, you'd never know, would you?
Just
that fact alone (the lack of complaint against heterosexuals) says a
lot.

That is an outright lie and there have been instances where people
have been detained for trying to join the mile high club in the
aircraft lavs.

False analogy. Public sex is illegal.

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:59:24 -0400, lab~rat :-) wrote:

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:17:49 GMT, mrtravel
puked:

lab~rat :-) wrote:

There is a possibility that another passenger complained. If that
were the case, what do you think that the flight attendant was
obligated to do?

Nothing. Not all complaints are valid

So your contention is that it was a judgment call as to whether or not
it was valid? In your opinion, are you more adept at using your
judgment than others?

No, it's that no one has any obligation to do anything about nor even care
about a complaint against something that is both harmless and legal.

On 25-Sep-2006, Strife767 wrote:

Bull****. No one has the right not to be offended. One person or a
thousand people's whining by itself is not enough to _force_ anyone to do,
or stop doing, _anything_. Got that? They were doing nothing wrong, and no
one had any business trying to stifle them.

It's people that have a lack of decorum that help create the right wing
assholes we have today. With a few manners they would have to find
something else to bitch about!

"Strife767" wrote in message
newsp.tgfwoka15i5s70@chris...
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:59:24 -0400, lab~rat :-)
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 16:17:49 GMT, mrtravel
puked:

lab~rat :-) wrote:

There is a possibility that another passenger complained. If that
were the case, what do you think that the flight attendant was
obligated to do?

Nothing. Not all complaints are valid

So your contention is that it was a judgment call as to whether or not
it was valid? In your opinion, are you more adept at using your
judgment than others?

No, it's that no one has any obligation to do anything about nor even care
about a complaint against something that is both harmless and legal.

The airlines, by its terms of carriage, determines in such cases what is
legal. In this case, the airline found it to be a violation. There is no
other recourse.

"Strife767" wrote in message
newsp.tgfwkxr15i5s70@chris...
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 08:57:54 -0400, lab~rat :-)
wrote:

On 23 Sep 2006 11:10:18 -0700, puked:

wrote:
To the great majority of the world 2 homosexuals engaging in anything
other than light chit-chat is going to bring some negative attention.
Rightly so, if it is NOT the norm, then it is to be expected that it
will not be treated as normal.

I am not understanding how this turns into something about how gays
should be treated equal and how they were mistreated and blah, blah...

Heck, we don't treat a lot of people equal, so why start with
homosexuals?

**** you, bitch or asshole. You would love to be treated horribly too,
wouldn't you? Do not ****ing complain when you get treated unfairly.
Kapish, asshole? Once again, this is America, jack. Like I told the
other asshole (labrat), if you find even the lightest homosexual PDA
offensive, turn the cheek. Who the **** do you think you are to judge
what is "norm?"

[snipping the rest of it's bull**** nonsense. blah blah blah]

Bill Hewlett

I guess differing opinions aren't tolerated in your world. Who's to
say that I have any obligation to tolerate people making out in an
airplane?

It's called freedom. That means that if you don't want to tolerate people
doing something that isn't illegal...too ****ing bad.

The airline determines in such cases what is legal and what isn't. It
determined that this case was not legal. That is what stands.

BillHewlett2004:
wrote:

Heck, we don't treat a lot of people equal, so why start with
homosexuals?

**** you, bitch or asshole.

Whoa!
May I assume that you're posting from one of the mentioned alt.-groups?

Sometimes, manners do matter when you want to be taken seriously, you
know.

--
Erick

B&B Ardane - http://bed-and-breakfast.ardane.com

["Followup-To:" header set to alt.politics.homosexuality.]
On 2006-09-25, wrote:
It's people that have a lack of decorum that help create the right wing
assholes we have today. With a few manners they would have to find
something else to bitch about!

What you say has a ring of truth, but follow it along and read your
own words. "they would have to find something else". And I guarantee
they have no problem finding something else. If teevee didn't have
a little tit and buttcrack here and there, would the censorprudes
just sit back and be happy? Perhaps they "find" a way to censor
all art and films and music, if the teevee were content to stay far
far away from the edge of confrontation.

They'd "find something else" if gayfolk don't pop up now and again
-- sometimes right, sometimes wrong, sometimes a happy family with
kids, sometimes agitants disturbing a catholic mass, sometimes hairy
nekkid men in chaps in a parade, sometimes cuddly soft lesbianism
references in popular culture. If the "lack of decorum" stopped
and everyone fit the requirements of the most phobic then the whole
schmear becomes invisible and we can go right back to the days when
people got thrown in to jail for years for "crimes against nature"
or what such. Why not? Suddenly it doesn't exist, it is never
seen or heard from, and everyone, even every gay person, is tacitly
agreeing that seeing gay life is sooo detrimental that it can only
be done in a locked basement with the lights out at the dead end
of a street during the new moon. Would a supreme court of the USA
have decided that consensual activity is a privacy right? Would
an EU have gay marriages? (threw that in just for you whiney
rec.travel.europe folks, heh, heh) Sure it is easy to say "they'd
all shut up if you did what they want" but that's thinking statically
in a dynamic world. And it is standard fare for abused people to
believe that the abuse would stop if they only do what they're told
to do. It doesn't. And they won't.

Without getting a bit wet now and again from folks jumping off the
high dive, the rest of us might find the government mandating that
all pools be only 18 inches deep -- to protect the children, you
know?

--
"Do you actually leave tips in restaurants? True Christians leave Gospel
tracts instead -- IF they eat out in secular places at all." -- Bernadette
finally figures out why her coffee is always cold at the Waffle Hut.

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:44:42 -0400, wrote:


On 25-Sep-2006, Strife767 wrote:

Bull****. No one has the right not to be offended. One person or a
thousand people's whining by itself is not enough to _force_ anyone to
do,
or stop doing, _anything_. Got that? They were doing nothing wrong, and
no
one had any business trying to stifle them.

It's people that have a lack of decorum that help create the right wing
assholes we have today. With a few manners they would have to find
something else to bitch about!

Actually, no. "Right wing assholes" have a 'right way of living' _so_
specific that no one _but_ them could escape their criticism.

Also, I'll take my freedom over the condition that everyone other than me
has "manners" any day.