Friend gets "special search"

On 1/4/2009 12:34 AM Mxsmanic ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:

the real dgs writes:

At least one, on August 18, 2007.

At least one what?

You're such a useless, bloviating context-snipping ass, Anthony.

Have fun arguing with yourself.

"Bartc" wrote in message
m...
"Charles Packer" wrote in message
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I waved goodbye to my friend and told her not to wait for me in case I
didn't make it. I had no idea what was going to happen. In the end my
carry-on and myself were scanned as normal then a special machine was used
to 'sniff' my bag.

This really puts me off travelling to and from the USA. Another time even
routine security involved me having to hold, simultaneously, passport,
boarding pass, coat, shoes, carry-on, laptop... It was a circus.

More recently, at TFS, passengers had to line up against a counter, before
being allowed to the X-ray and magnetic scanners, to deposit most of their
small personal possessions in plastic trays.

Then they had to line up, holding their bags, coats, and sad little trays
of
possessions. And if they were lucky they allowed to reclaim their precious
belongings on the other side. It reminded me of scenes from WWII.


At Honolulu it was the check in staff that were the miserable lot. Not a
smile amongst them. They were the ones who put the "SSSS" (or whatever it
was to instruct the TSA to give us the works) on our boarding passes. The
TSA staff, however, could not have been more polite and friendly. In fact I
had quite a good friendly chat with the guy who was dealing with me and I
could see the wife and the female TSA smiling and chatting also over the
other side of the concourse.

They are just doing their job I suppose

MC

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(Geoff Miller) was claimed to have wrote:



William Black writes:

Tell us all again about how many terrorists they've
caught so far by the ritual humiliation of passengers...


The idea isn't to catch terrorists. The idea is to
*dissuade* them.

Back atcha: How many commercial aircraft in the security-
rife industrialized West have been hijacked by terrorists
since these procedures were implemented?

True. There also hasn't been an elephant attack in an airport since the
TSA started either, has there?

On Jan 5, 7:32�am, DevilsPGD wrote:
In message
(Geoff �Miller) was claimed to have wrote:



William Black writes:

Tell us all again about how many terrorists they've
caught so far by the ritual humiliation of passengers...

The idea isn't to catch terrorists. �The idea is to
*dissuade* them.

Back atcha: How many commercial aircraft in the security-
rife industrialized West have been hijacked by terrorists
since these procedures were implemented?

True. �There also hasn't been an elephant attack in an airport since the
TSA started either, has there?

Oh, are they looking for elephants? Who knew?

In message

zorba was claimed to have wrote:

On Jan 5, 7:32?am, DevilsPGD wrote:
In message
(Geoff ?Miller) was claimed to have wrote:



William Black writes:

Tell us all again about how many terrorists they've
caught so far by the ritual humiliation of passengers...

The idea isn't to catch terrorists. ?The idea is to
*dissuade* them.

Back atcha: How many commercial aircraft in the security-
rife industrialized West have been hijacked by terrorists
since these procedures were implemented?

True. ?There also hasn't been an elephant attack in an airport since the
TSA started either, has there?

Oh, are they looking for elephants? Who knew?

I'm not sure it matters if they're looking or not. They're looking for
guns, explosives, knives, etc and certainly don't find them reliably.

On Jan 3, 9:05*pm, (Geoff Miller) wrote:
William Black writes:
Tell us all again about how many terrorists they've
caught so far by the ritual humiliation of passengers...

The idea isn't to catch terrorists. *The idea is to
*dissuade* them.

And nothing being done at these body screenings is
dissuading them either. The 19 that attacked us that
day could do it again today by almost exactly the same
methods, and would still clear the primary and secondary
screenings.

Back atcha: How many commercial aircraft in the security-
rife industrialized West have been hijacked by terrorists
since these procedures were implemented?

Apart from the logical fallicy of the question, the primary
inhibitors in place today have nothing to do with the body
screeners. The cockpit doors, armed pilots, and armed
marshalls, along with a passenger population which will
attack at the least provocation, are the primary deterrents
to past methodologies.

The body screeners are a show. They've been demonstrated
multiple times to not be effective at actually detecting nor
stopping people from carrying on banned items. Their
failure rate has been measured at high enough levels to
basically make them pointless. Their singular value is
to make people "feel" safe.

Well next we'll have Dr. Gopher and Nurse Bunny snappin on the old
latex!

On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:05:00 -0600 in rec.travel.air,
(Geoff Miller) wrote:

Back atcha: How many commercial aircraft in the security-
rife industrialized West have been hijacked by terrorists
since these procedures were implemented?


Faulty logic. The bogus procedures have NOTHING to do with REAL
security. They are just window dressing, and ineptly conducted.

On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 08:38:55 +0100, Mxsmanic wrote:


If Americans even a few decades ago were the cowards that they are today,
they'd all be speaking German now.

I doubt it. Every older generation thinks poorly of the younger. I've seen
similar comments made just before the first world war on the British youth
of that time.

DaveM

On Jan 11, 11:37*pm, (Dennis P. Harris)
wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:05:00 -0600 in rec.travel.air,
(Geoff *Miller) wrote:

Back atcha: How many commercial aircraft in the security-
rife industrialized West have been hijacked by terrorists
since these procedures were implemented?

Faulty logic. *The bogus procedures have NOTHING to do with REAL
security. *They are just window dressing, and ineptly conducted.

The 9/11 hijackers used box cutters to gain control of the airplanes.
Very few box cutters have made it through the TSA checkpoints.

A plastic CD broken in half makes a good cutting edge. Shoelaces and
belts make good garrots. Shoes tied together can be used as nunchucks.
A broken toothbrush makes a good stabbing implement. All kinds of
items can be used for weapons.

The cargo holds on airplanes are full of unchecked packages.

The one thing that could have prevented the tragedy of 9/11 was
locking fortified doors to the cockpit. Have they done that yet?