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RTCReferee wrote:
Thanks, Howie. I can understand how it happened that you overlooked this. :-) For the umpteenth time, I will state that all of these smoking/no smoking issues could be easily solved by having a variety of smoking and no smoking ships. Hell, with just a few really nice smoking ships, non of you who have "diminished lung capacity" would ever have to worry about running into smoke from my cigarettes. Howie |
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RTCReferee wrote:
Charles lid wrote: Sadly, I have been on "smoking allowed" ships where the bars and nightclub were dead after 10:00 pm. So have I. And why not? Liveliness and smoking, or the lack thereof, are not related, and that's not why bars and nightclubs are sometimes so boring that people peek in and see nothing of interest and then leave. I tend to agree. However, more than once, musicians on ships have complained that the elimination of smoking in various venues on a ship has had a major, negative impact on the numbers of people who come to hear them play. I witnessed this, myself, in the central atrium on the Carnival Legend this winter. What had been the liveliest area of the ship, on my two former cruises, was now totally dead. Howie |
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Howie wrote:
For the umpteenth time, I will state that all of these smoking/no smoking issues could be easily solved by having a variety of smoking and no smoking ships. Hell, with just a few really nice smoking ships, non of you who have "diminished lung capacity" would ever have to worry about running into smoke from my cigarettes. I doubt that this will happen, unfortunately, though we and friends would book numerous cruises on any ship that meets other important criteria to us that departs from the West Coast. We would cruise more often and spend more onboard, since we would not feel we had to avoid certain areas due to smokiness. (We have never spent a single dime in any casino on any ship, since it is too smoky in there to concentrate, plus I refuse to spend any money in smoky areas as a matter of principle, since they are not enjoyable or fully usable to us.) The Paradise never sailed from here while it was a non-smoking ship, so it wasn't under consideration. Also, we want a premium ship/line, one of the best of the line, not a high-density ship. Give us a Radiance-class ship and we'll start cruising on RCI. Give us the new Miracle or one of her sisters and we'll start cruising Carnival. Give us a Sun-class Princess ship and we'll go back to Princess. Give us any ship in the HAL fleet (except for Noordam, which is leaving) and we'll cruise on her frequently. And it goes without saying that the Celebrity Mercury, Galaxy or Century would top our list. At the very least, during the summer, when so very many ships cruise Alaska, there is no reason why some ships of each line could not convert to non-smoking for their Alaska season. Ditto for the 7+day Mexican itinerary which also sees a lot of ships. Since people who live on the West Coast tend to smoke less than people on the East Coast, it makes sense to position non-smoking ships here. |
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Howie wrote:
I tend to agree. However, more than once, musicians on ships have complained that the elimination of smoking in various venues on a ship has had a major, negative impact on the numbers of people who come to hear them play. I witnessed this, myself, in the central atrium on the Carnival Legend this winter. What had been the liveliest area of the ship, on my two former cruises, was now totally dead. Were these musicians smokers, Howie? I mean, they were hangin' with you, right? ;-) (And maybe they felt you were a strong personality and were telling you what you wanted to hear, or you heard what you wanted to hear.) Either way, haven't you noticed that each week brings a new set of passengers who, for a variety of reasons—not just smoking habits—may or may not be interested in a particular activity or venue or whatever? Maybe something elsewhere on the ship created a conflict that week. Cruise Directors have a responsibility to ensure that events are likely to b and so that they are enjoyable. There are too many variables to paint such a broad stroke as a place going dead due to lack of smoke. I like to boogie, and am damn fine at it, but we had to leave Skywalkers sooner rather than later, because dancing is an activity that fills the lungs with whatever is in the room, and the dance floor in Skywalkers was right in the middle of the smoking section of the lounge. That's negligent, in my opinion. |
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No one over 50 should dance in public! YUK! haha
"RTCReferee" wrote in message ... Howie wrote: I tend to agree. However, more than once, musicians on ships have complained that the elimination of smoking in various venues on a ship has had a major, negative impact on the numbers of people who come to hear them play. I witnessed this, myself, in the central atrium on the Carnival Legend this winter. What had been the liveliest area of the ship, on my two former cruises, was now totally dead. Were these musicians smokers, Howie? I mean, they were hangin' with you, right? ;-) (And maybe they felt you were a strong personality and were telling you what you wanted to hear, or you heard what you wanted to hear.) Either way, haven't you noticed that each week brings a new set of passengers who, for a variety of reasons-not just smoking habits-may or may not be interested in a particular activity or venue or whatever? Maybe something elsewhere on the ship created a conflict that week. Cruise Directors have a responsibility to ensure that events are likely to b and so that they are enjoyable. There are too many variables to paint such a broad stroke as a place going dead due to lack of smoke. I like to boogie, and am damn fine at it, but we had to leave Skywalkers sooner rather than later, because dancing is an activity that fills the lungs with whatever is in the room, and the dance floor in Skywalkers was right in the middle of the smoking section of the lounge. That's negligent, in my opinion. |
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RTCReferee wrote:
Howie wrote: I tend to agree. However, more than once, musicians on ships have complained that the elimination of smoking in various venues on a ship has had a major, negative impact on the numbers of people who come to hear them play. I witnessed this, myself, in the central atrium on the Carnival Legend this winter. What had been the liveliest area of the ship, on my two former cruises, was now totally dead. Were these musicians smokers, Howie? Some smoked; some did not. I mean, they were hangin' with you, right? ;-) Believe it or not, many non smokers hang with me. (And maybe they felt you were a strong personality and were telling you what you wanted to hear, or you heard what you wanted to hear.) Uh! Pretty presumptuous of you, ref. Either way, haven't you noticed that each week brings a new set of passengers who, for a variety of reasons—not just smoking habits—may or may not be interested in a particular activity or venue or whatever? Yes, but I spent 16 days on the Legend this year, and 16 the year before (back to backs). There is no doubt in my mind that on this ship, eliminating smoking from the atrium, eliminated most of the people from this spot. Maybe something elsewhere on the ship created a conflict that week. Cruise Directors have a responsibility to ensure that events are likely to b and so that they are enjoyable. There are too many variables to paint such a broad stroke as a place going dead due to lack of smoke. I like to boogie, and am damn fine at it, but we had to leave Skywalkers sooner rather than later, because dancing is an activity that fills the lungs with whatever is in the room, and the dance floor in Skywalkers was right in the middle of the smoking section of the lounge. That's negligent, in my opinion. You've got to toughen up those lungs, ref. I would think that living in one of the most polluted states in the nation, would have toughened you up already. Howie |
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DH and I have "hung" out with Elaine and Howie
SUNNY.........We are both non-smokers and we had a lovely afternoon with two delightful people. S'nd I XXX |
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You have even hung out with Eileen and Howie and put up with my smoking,
you delightful woman! Eileen villa deauville wrote: DH and I have "hung" out with Elaine and Howie SUNNY.........We are both non-smokers and we had a lovely afternoon with two delightful people. S'nd I XXX |
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