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In article ,
Larry wrote:


M$ did not create the music. The program now includes a protective
device known as DRM that says, "no license, no listen".
That sir, is illegal.

Why is this illegal? If you think it is, please the statute it violates
he


The constitution speficially gives Congress the right to
"(secure) for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right
to their respective writings and discoveries." Congress then went along
and set-up minimum standards for such. DRMs are included in the laws.


Yes I do. As long as it is in the privacy of my own home and for
personal use.

Only if that's what the license says.


Which is, IIUC, a separate contractural relationship one enters into
when they agree to the terms of service or license of the programs.

Scout writes:

There are clauses in the copyright laws which give the end user
certain "rights" to enjoy that music as they see fit.

I find it humorous that you make this claim, since you've repeatedly
demonstrated that you can't - or won't - read statutes. Can you cite me
a "right" given to music listeners in federal copyright law? Provide
the cite he

17USC107

Fair use and all that it means.

Fair use doesn't give end user music listeners any rights at all.

Kurt Ullman writes:

The constitution speficially gives Congress the right to
"(secure) for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right
to their respective writings and discoveries."

The people who wrote the Constitution had a term of 14 years in mind (the
original duration of copyright protection), not "life + 95 years," and
certainly not eternity.

M$ did not create the music. The program now includes a protective
device known as DRM that says, "no license, no listen".
That sir, is illegal.

Why is this illegal? If you think it is, please the statute it violates
he


DRM *as often practiced* is *FALSE ADVERTISING*.

You purchase music at an online store and load it on your computer.
There is no indication when you BUY it (and there's no indication
that it's anything but a purchase during that transaction) that the
music has a limited number of plays or only lasts for so long or
requires an internet connection to PLAY it (laptops often have
intermittent network connectivity). One day it quits working. Why?
Because the company doing the DRM (which you may never have heard
of before) decided not to support it any more. Or that company
goes bankrupt. It's happened over and over again.

You can be sure that there would be a big uproar if it turns out
that Ford Motor Company cars won't make left turns if Ford goes
bankrupt.

In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:

Kurt Ullman writes:

The constitution speficially gives Congress the right to
"(secure) for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right
to their respective writings and discoveries."

The people who wrote the Constitution had a term of 14 years in mind (the
original duration of copyright protection), not "life + 95 years," and
certainly not eternity.

They specifically gave that power to Congress. Everywhere they
wanted something specific, they inserted words with no wiggle room.

In article ica,
(Gordon Burditt) wrote:

You purchase music at an online store and load it on your computer.
There is no indication when you BUY it (and there's no indication
that it's anything but a purchase during that transaction) that the
music has a limited number of plays or only lasts for so long or
requires an internet connection to PLAY it (laptops often have
intermittent network connectivity). One day it quits working. Why?
Because the company doing the DRM (which you may never have heard
of before) decided not to support it any more. Or that company
goes bankrupt. It's happened over and over again.
I only have dealt with iTune, but the license agreement, use
agreements and other similar stuff that you have to click on that you
understand after you have ignored it, pretty much say all of the above.
You have problems with all sorts of outdated technologies, I don't see
that many people thinking the fact they can no longer play their 78s or
their wire recordings that is false advertising.



You can be sure that there would be a big uproar if it turns out
that Ford Motor Company cars won't make left turns if Ford goes
bankrupt.

Whole bunches of cars over the years have had that happen to. Older
cars you can have trouble getting parts for even if the company remains
in business.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Scout writes:

There are clauses in the copyright laws which give the end user
certain "rights" to enjoy that music as they see fit.

I find it humorous that you make this claim, since you've repeatedly
demonstrated that you can't - or won't - read statutes. Can you cite
me
a "right" given to music listeners in federal copyright law? Provide
the cite he

17USC107

Fair use and all that it means.

Fair use doesn't give end user music listeners any rights at all.

Right, which is why I can make a copy of the CD for use in my car........

In article ,
Larry wrote:

In article ,
Mxsmanic wrote:

Kurt Ullman writes:

The constitution speficially gives Congress the right to
"(secure) for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right
to their respective writings and discoveries."

The people who wrote the Constitution had a term of 14 years in mind (the
original duration of copyright protection), not "life + 95 years," and
certainly not eternity.

They also had in mind the idea that slaves weren't real people. Ideas
change.

Sorta like the time frame of the copyrights, innit?

On Sun, 01 Jun 2008 14:55:31 -0500, (Gordon
Burditt) wrote:

M$ did not create the music. The program now includes a protective
device known as DRM that says, "no license, no listen".
That sir, is illegal.

Why is this illegal? If you think it is, please the statute it violates
he


DRM *as often practiced* is *FALSE ADVERTISING*.

You purchase music at an online store and load it on your computer.
There is no indication when you BUY it (and there's no indication
that it's anything but a purchase during that transaction) that the
music has a limited number of plays or only lasts for so long or
requires an internet connection to PLAY it (laptops often have
intermittent network connectivity). One day it quits working. Why?
Because the company doing the DRM (which you may never have heard
of before) decided not to support it any more. Or that company
goes bankrupt. It's happened over and over again.

You can be sure that there would be a big uproar if it turns out
that Ford Motor Company cars won't make left turns if Ford goes
bankrupt.

Exactly correct.

DRM is a concept in agreement with the RIAA and M$.
From what I've read, these so called licenses may also place a limit
on how many times you can play the music. Such as 20 or 30 times.
After that, buy another license.
Consumers are not made aware of this license requirement until AFTER
the sale and the package is opened.

You go to walmart and buy a new CD. In order to play the music, you
must have Windows media player. You're not told upfront that this is
required to play the music.

Let's say you buy a CD that is of Beethoven's music. Does M$ have the
legal right to restrict your enjoyment of this uncopyrighted music? No
it does not. Again, it is an illegal attempt by M$ to control how you
enjoy music. M$ and the RIAA forces the publishers to produce the
music in the wma format so that YOU must use M$ products and thusly,
need a license which is purchased seperately.

IMHO, that is in direct violation of the copyright laws.

Scout writes:

Right, which is why I can make a copy of the CD for use in my car........

That was never governed by fair use.