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Milan to Bucharest by train?
"Happy.Hobo" wrote in message ... On 12-03-2015 11:23, Paul Aubrin wrote: + 24 hours!! Arrives next day. Envo That's 33 hours, and it's a bus, not a train. É 33 ore, sul bus, non sul treno. 30-35 hours with several legs of train, or 33 hours in the same bus. You would have a lot of time to see the landscape. I once traveled from Venice to Sibiu by car, I needed two days. True and worth considering. However, I did say I preferred train; I did find longer (forty hours) trip with only one or two changes, and Envo still got the "24 hours" wrong, presumably because he/she only looked at the dates. I decided to take Rick Steve's advice, saving costs by sleeping an night trains and thereby freeing up days to see things in cities between trains. Someone carried that idea a step further: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/22/how-one-german-millennial-chose-to-live-on-trains-rather-than-pay-rent/ "Müller frequently travels late at night, although she tries to sleep at the apartments of relatives or friends" That hardly counts as living on the train it's called freeloading on you friends in my book tim |
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Milan to Bucharest by train?
I decided to take Rick Steve's advice, saving costs by sleeping
on night trains and thereby freeing up days to see things in cities between trains. Someone carried that idea a step further: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/22/how-one-german-millennial-chose-to-live-on-trains-rather-than-pay-rent/ "Müller frequently travels late at night, although she tries to sleep at the apartments of relatives or friends" That hardly counts as living on the train it's called freeloading on you friends in my book I read somewhere that Giuseppe Mazzini at one point had free travel on the Italian railways because he worked for them, so he didn't bother having any fixed accommodation. (I can't find any corroboration of that). If you had Mazzini drop in on you, I'd think doing his laundry would be the least of your problems. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- e m a i l : j a c k @ c a m p i n . m e . u k Jack Campin, 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU, Scotland mobile 07800 739 557 http://www.campin.me.uk Twitter: JackCampin |
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Milan to Bucharest by train?
On 12-04-2015 10:21, tim..... wrote:
Someone carried that idea a step further: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/22/how-one-german-millennial-chose-to-live-on-trains-rather-than-pay-rent/ "Müller frequently travels late at night, although she tries to sleep at the apartments of relatives or friends" That hardly counts as living on the train it's called freeloading on you friends in my book Yeah, I noticed that, too. I read about another person doing something similar but _not_ "freeloading" for sleep. I forget whether it said anything about laundry. I live on the road, but not on trains. I pay (or work) for lodging. Or I find an out-of-the-way place to pitch my tent. -- Wes Groleau |
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Milan to Bucharest by train?
On 12-04-2015 10:10, Giovanni Drogo wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2015, Tom P wrote: Close enough. MXP and BGY are each about fifty kilometers from the center of Milan, I wouldn't call 50km "close". Frankfurt International is 14km from the city center, Dusseldorf International is just 10km from the center. Linate is indeed about 10 km from the centre of Milan. It is true that BGY and MXP are the same distance, but the former has only coach via motorway direct connection, the latter has trains (*). But nothing beats Linate which has urban bus and affordable taxi. Fifty, or ten? I thought I measured fifty on the map. Either one is feasible for my preferred transportation: bicycle. Besides, I don't need to go to city center. I can wander around anywhere and have a good time just looking at the houses and buildings and chatting with people. Did that for a whole week in Van, Turkey. |
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Milan to Bucharest by train?
On Fri, 4 Dec 2015, Happy.Hobo wrote:
Close enough. MXP and BGY are each about fifty kilometers from the center of Milan, Linate is indeed about 10 km from the centre of Milan. Fifty, or ten? Malpensa (MXP) is fifty (46 actually), Linate (LIN) is ten. That's why Linate has not been closed yet, it is sooo comfortable ! I don't need to go to city center. I can wander around anywhere and have a good time just looking at the houses and buildings and chatting with people. If you live in the city, you need to go to the city. If you are a tourist interested in art, sights, museums or shopping you'd better go to the city. There is hardly anything interesting within 10 km from Malpensa (except perhaps river Ticino and surrounding canals). However lake Maggiore is not far. It is different for Orio (BGY), because it is the airport of Bergamo, and Bergamo's Upper City is really a nice place, and then there are lots of hills and mountains. May be chatting with people would be rather difficult if you do not know bergamask :-) |
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Milan to Bucharest by train?
On 12-09-2015 03:44, Giovanni Drogo wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2015, Happy.Hobo wrote: Close enough. MXP and BGY are each about fifty kilometers from the center of Milan, Linate is indeed about 10 km from the centre of Milan. Fifty, or ten? Malpensa (MXP) is fifty (46 actually), Linate (LIN) is ten. That's why Linate has not been closed yet, it is sooo comfortable ! Oh, LIN didn't show up in my searches. It is a nice spot. But that doesn't help if the train or cheap flight doesn't go there. I don't need to go to city center. I can wander around anywhere and have a good time just looking at the houses and buildings and chatting with people. If you live in the city, you need to go to the city. I don't live in Milano. If I did, I likely wouldn't be asking questions about it here. If you are a tourist interested in art, sights, museums or shopping you'd better go to the city. I REPEAT: I can wander around anywhere and have a good time just looking at the houses and buildings and chatting with people. There is hardly anything interesting within 10 km from Malpensa (except perhaps river Ticino and surrounding canals). However lake Maggiore is I just used "street view" to roam around. Lots of interesting buildings, a couple of huge parks and lots of small ones. If I did want to go to the center, it's about three hours by bicycle from MXP to il Duomo. May be chatting with people would be rather difficult if you do not know bergamask :-) My Spanish allowed me to pass the A1 test in Italian without prior study. I realize that is more the Tuscan dialect, but I imagine I could get by. -- Wes Groleau |
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Milan to Bucharest by train?
[Malpensa]
May be chatting with people would be rather difficult if you do not know bergamask :-) My Spanish allowed me to pass the A1 test in Italian without prior study. I realize that is more the Tuscan dialect, but I imagine I could get by. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergamasque_dialect Studying Catalan would have been a lot more help. Bergamasque is part of the nameless extended dialect-family-cum-language that extends from the Balearics to northern Italy. It's not a variant of Italian. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- e m a i l : j a c k @ c a m p i n . m e . u k Jack Campin, 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU, Scotland mobile 07800 739 557 http://www.campin.me.uk Twitter: JackCampin |
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Milan to Bucharest by train?
On 12-09-2015 18:05, Jack Campin wrote:
[Malpensa] May be chatting with people would be rather difficult if you do not know bergamask :-) My Spanish allowed me to pass the A1 test in Italian without prior study. I realize that is more the Tuscan dialect, but I imagine I could get by. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergamasque_dialect Studying Catalan would have been a lot more help. Bergamasque is part of the nameless extended dialect-family-cum-language that extends from the Balearics to northern Italy. It's not a variant of Italian. Well, I can read Catalan at least 50% comprehension. But your reference suggests (1) I'm not likely to meet a speaker of Bergamasque near MXP or LIN and (2) if I do, it's extremely unlikely he/she is monolingual. (3) Did I mention I _love_ learning languages? |
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Milan to Bucharest by train?
On Wed, 9 Dec 2015, Martin wrote:
Not when it is foggy. Linate is next to a lake a former pre-war seaplane base. Lakes tend to get foggy in winter. Idroscalo ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idroscalo Not a real lake, it was dug out using some abandoned quarries filled (*) with water. There are a lot like that nearby (Redecesio, Malaspina) and elsewhere (Parco delle Cave). (*) filled NATURALLY with water, the water plane is rather close to the surface in most of the Padan Plain. There is a belt (wide some 10-15 km in N-S, more or less centered at the latitude of Milan) where the water edge is so close that there are (or were) natural sources (called risorgive or fontanili). The northern part of the plain is drier since the ground is impermeable (clay). These (and not the Idroscalo) are the main source of fog all over the plain. Somebody tells me the situation is like that also near Munich, where of course the N-S arrangement is reversed. Impermeable in the S (close to the Alps) and water coming out in the N. Incidentally, if the OP likes to cycle, he can see a risorgiva not far from Linate, Riserva naturale Sorgenti della Muzzetta, Strada Vicinale del Duca, Rodano. |
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Milan to Bucharest by train?
On Wed, 9 Dec 2015, Happy.Hobo wrote:
Studying Catalan would have been a lot more help. Bergamasque is part of the nameless extended dialect-family-cum-language that extends from the Balearics to northern Italy. It's not a variant of Italian. Almost no so-called "italian dialects" (more properly "dialects of Italy") are "variants of Italian" (but perhaps the Tuscan vernaculars) but languages of their own. (1) I'm not likely to meet a speaker of Bergamasque near MXP or LIN and (2) if I do, it's extremely unlikely he/she is monolingual. No, they cluster around BGY. There is a spectrum of dialects in the Eastern Lombard (provinces of Bergamo and Brescia) which are rather distinct from the rest of Lombardy, and have a fame of being harsher (*). With variations, the dialect in the plain is softer, the one in the mountains is harsher. Contrary to a place like Milan where dialect is almost extinct, it is popular in Bergamo not only among older people. (*) there is this story of a milanese dog and a bergamasque dog meeting on a bridge over Adda. The milanese dog holds a steak in his mouth. The bergamasque dog asks "where are you from ?", the other replies "de Milaaan" ... and the steak falls off his mouth, and the bergamasque dog snatches it. The other tries the same trick "where are you from ?", but the replies is "de Birrgum" with closed teeth :-) (actually it should be "Berghem") |
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