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"Alan Osborn" wrote in message
... Apologises but haven't read all the threads on this topic here so sorry if something else has mentioned this. Running GatEX to Brighton OK but remember to allow sufficient time for a Gatwick stop. Lots of pax with luggage take time to load/unload themselves The present system allows ample time during the layover of terminating trains. In early days 3 minutes when VEP / VEG stock was used 3 minutes was allowed which included coupling to a 2nd unit which was terminated / started from Gatwick i.e. 4 car set from Horsham/Brighton 8 car set from Gatwick to Victoria. 2. Keep GatEx as it is but swap Fast and slow lines from Balcombe Tunnel to Earlswood - Maybe a flyover for Redhill trains at Earlswood maybe a conflict at 3 Bridges but maybe more use of Platform 1 for Mid- Sussex line trains 3. A cheaper option build a couple of terminal platforms (platform 7 & 8) on the car-parks side of the complex dedicated to GatEx trains, direct rail access onto fast-line without conflicting with slow lines. 4. In conjunction with 2 a rethink of the Redhill / Earlswood area most trains from Guildford and Tonbridge now reverse and run through to Gatwick, south facing junctions would be more beneficial than the present arrangement. SRA can't justify the cost of expensive construction, like flyovers or additional platforms at Gatwick. They suggest that 90 second stops will be adequate - after all, passengers with luggage join and alight from Southern trains which only stop for a minute or so. As long as they're not overcrowded, 377s are much quicker at loading and unloading with luggage than slam door stock, because of the wider doors. Peter |
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In message , at 21:10:23 on Wed, 22
Sep 2004, Peter Masson remarked: SRA can't justify the cost of expensive construction, like flyovers or additional platforms at Gatwick. They suggest that 90 second stops will be adequate - after all, passengers with luggage join and alight from Southern trains which only stop for a minute or so. But those are the self-selecting people who choose not to use the Gatwick Express, and one reason might well be that they are nimble and light-luggaged compared to the GEx users. -- Roland Perry |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
.uk... In message , at 21:10:23 on Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Peter Masson remarked: SRA can't justify the cost of expensive construction, like flyovers or additional platforms at Gatwick. They suggest that 90 second stops will be adequate - after all, passengers with luggage join and alight from Southern trains which only stop for a minute or so. But those are the self-selecting people who choose not to use the Gatwick Express, and one reason might well be that they are nimble and light-luggaged compared to the GEx users. Let's not forget those who are travelling away from London. They have no problem waiting for the passengers to get off first, and then getting their luggage on board during the normal stops at Gatwick. -- Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society 75th Anniversary 2004, see http://www.omnibussoc.org/75th.htm E-mail: URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/ |
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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
.uk... In message , at 21:10:23 on Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Peter Masson remarked: SRA can't justify the cost of expensive construction, like flyovers or additional platforms at Gatwick. They suggest that 90 second stops will be adequate - after all, passengers with luggage join and alight from Southern trains which only stop for a minute or so. But those are the self-selecting people who choose not to use the Gatwick Express, and one reason might well be that they are nimble and light-luggaged compared to the GEx users. Let's not forget those who are travelling away from London. They have no problem waiting for the passengers to get off first, and then getting their luggage on board during the normal stops at Gatwick. -- Terry Harper, Web Co-ordinator, The Omnibus Society 75th Anniversary 2004, see http://www.omnibussoc.org/75th.htm E-mail: URL: http://www.terry.harper.btinternet.co.uk/ |
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In message , at 19:54:07 on Thu, 23
Sep 2004, Terry Harper remarked: But those are the self-selecting people who choose not to use the Gatwick Express, and one reason might well be that they are nimble and light-luggaged compared to the GEx users. Let's not forget those who are travelling away from London. They have no problem waiting for the passengers to get off first, and then getting their luggage on board during the normal stops at Gatwick. But there are much fewer of them, and the trains are much emptier. The problem with getting about the non-GEx trains in the morning is that it's so difficult to cram everything into an already full train. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 19:54:07 on Thu, 23
Sep 2004, Terry Harper remarked: But those are the self-selecting people who choose not to use the Gatwick Express, and one reason might well be that they are nimble and light-luggaged compared to the GEx users. Let's not forget those who are travelling away from London. They have no problem waiting for the passengers to get off first, and then getting their luggage on board during the normal stops at Gatwick. But there are much fewer of them, and the trains are much emptier. The problem with getting about the non-GEx trains in the morning is that it's so difficult to cram everything into an already full train. -- Roland Perry |
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In article , Roland
Perry writes additional platforms at Gatwick. They suggest that 90 second stops will be adequate - after all, passengers with luggage join and alight from Southern trains which only stop for a minute or so. But those are the self-selecting people who choose not to use the Gatwick Express, and one reason might well be that they are nimble and light-luggaged compared to the GEx users. Not all of them. People who want to reach Kings Cross or points north on the way to Bedford have not much choice: they get on the Thameslink train, already crowded with passengers from Brighton, during its brief stop at Gatwick, or they wait 15 minutes for the next Thameslink train. Most of us, nimble or not, manage to get on a train when it arrives at the platform, even with heavy luggage. -- Clive Page |
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In article , Roland
Perry writes additional platforms at Gatwick. They suggest that 90 second stops will be adequate - after all, passengers with luggage join and alight from Southern trains which only stop for a minute or so. But those are the self-selecting people who choose not to use the Gatwick Express, and one reason might well be that they are nimble and light-luggaged compared to the GEx users. Not all of them. People who want to reach Kings Cross or points north on the way to Bedford have not much choice: they get on the Thameslink train, already crowded with passengers from Brighton, during its brief stop at Gatwick, or they wait 15 minutes for the next Thameslink train. Most of us, nimble or not, manage to get on a train when it arrives at the platform, even with heavy luggage. -- Clive Page |
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In message , at 19:33:58 on Fri, 24
Sep 2004, Clive Page remarked: People who want to reach Kings Cross or points north on the way to Bedford have not much choice: they get on the Thameslink train, already crowded with passengers from Brighton, during its brief stop at Gatwick, or they wait 15 minutes for the next Thameslink train. Most of us, nimble or not, manage to get on a train when it arrives at the platform, even with heavy luggage. Been there, done that, seen lots of other people doing it. It's a very unpleasant experience, and I'm not surprised people chose the GEx instead, if they can. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 19:33:58 on Fri, 24
Sep 2004, Clive Page remarked: People who want to reach Kings Cross or points north on the way to Bedford have not much choice: they get on the Thameslink train, already crowded with passengers from Brighton, during its brief stop at Gatwick, or they wait 15 minutes for the next Thameslink train. Most of us, nimble or not, manage to get on a train when it arrives at the platform, even with heavy luggage. Been there, done that, seen lots of other people doing it. It's a very unpleasant experience, and I'm not surprised people chose the GEx instead, if they can. -- Roland Perry |
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