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horne and martin the ultimate groping experience.
"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion : ... Martin wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:39:25 +0200, "M@gd@" wrote: On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:02:39 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, (David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this: [] ... This story confirms what I'd thought- I'd rather go through the body ... scanner, particularly in a US airport. ... ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ck/9563174.stm I'd rather stay home. ===== It sounds much better in French, but then, everything does. Security gropes much better in France. -- (*) of the royal duchy of city south and deansgate www.davidhorne.net (email address on website) "[Do you think the world learned anything from the first world war?] No. They never learn." -Harry Patch (1898-2009) |
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On 08/11/2011 02:58 AM, Dan Stephenson wrote:
On 2011-08-09 02:17:40 -0500, Tom P said: On 08/08/2011 11:56 PM, Dan Stephenson wrote: My plans were to visit Europe again in October, but it has come to my attention that the use of those body scanners has become common since the attempted bombing of that flight to Detroit last Christmas 2009. My last flight was prior to that. So I called the Athens airport and spoke to their security people who said that they had the scanners and their use was required, and furthermore that this was to be found in the other airports in Europe. This sounds incredible but it is plausible. Can anyone confirm this at your local big airport? My googling only turned up EU regular that "permitted" the scanners and a lot of talk of health issues. But that is all. There was something in the news here the other day about the scanners on trial at Hamburg airport proving to be useless - much too slow, and with a 35% to 70% false alarm rate, depending on which press story you believe - ah, just found some references: http://www.whec.com/news/stories/s2225742.shtml?cat=566 or google bodyscanner+false+alarms It appears that the German authorities have decided to discontinue their use, at least of the make of scanner they tested, so hopefully the taxpayers will get their money back for these expensive piles of useless junk. Now this would be good news, in that there is a direct flight from Dallas/Fort Worth near where I live, to Frankfurt. If I can confirm the situation in Athens, I might make a DFW-Frankfurt-Athens travel. Hmm! Maybe I gave up hope too soon! Plans to introduce scanners in the present form at German airports have now been abandoned. The announcement was made this week by the Ministry of Interior. The tests showed a false alarm rate of 54%. http://tinyurl.com/454csr3 |
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On 02/09/11 08:53, Martin wrote:
or a success rate of 46%. If other countries adopt them Germany will become the terrorists favourite. Why? Terrorists have stopped attacking aircraft for the past ten years because, pretty obviously, after the attack on the twin towers, passengers have nothing to lose by attacking the hijackers. There's absolutely no evidence at all that the screening systems using conventional metal detecting technology are ineffective, it's just that there's some clever marketing going on. -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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On 02/09/11 09:14, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:57:16 +0100, William Black wrote: On 02/09/11 08:53, Martin wrote: or a success rate of 46%. If other countries adopt them Germany will become the terrorists favourite. Why? Terrorists have stopped attacking aircraft for the past ten years because, pretty obviously, after the attack on the twin towers, passengers have nothing to lose by attacking the hijackers. There's absolutely no evidence at all that the screening systems using conventional metal detecting technology are ineffective, it's just that there's some clever marketing going on. Other than that when in a security test at Schiphol axes etc. were put in luggage it reached Cayenne before the items were detected by customs officers. Why should an axe in the hold baggage be a problem? Some of the electrical stuff I have put in hand luggage should have triggered further investigation. The equipment is as good as the operator. Well yes, exactly. Or are you suggesting that more expensive scanners will improve staff training? If you have an operator in Turin or Rome airport, for example, who sits chatting with his back to the display, you may as well switch it off. So what good are the new scanners? -- William Black Free men have open minds If you want loyalty, buy a dog... |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 09:53:01 +0200, Martin wrote:
or a success rate of 46%. If other countries adopt them Germany will become the terrorists favourite. Statistics are not your field of expertise, I guess. 54% were false positives, no one says the other 46% were false negatives. Bye Maurice -- Hamradio: ON4BAM http://www.on4bam.com/ Travelogues and Amateur radio http://blog.on4bam.com/blog/ |
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 11:02:47 +0200, Martin wrote in post :
: if 54% were false positives, then 46% weren't false. They could either have been true positives, or true negatives, or false negatives. -- Tim C. I'm against hunting. I'm actually a hunt saboteur. I go out the night before and shoot the fox. |
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Tim C.:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 11:02:47 +0200, Martin wrote in post : m : if 54% were false positives, then 46% weren't false. They could either have been true positives, or true negatives, or false negatives. You may add true zero and false zero, for "scanner out of order" and "scanner appeared to be out of order" respectively. |
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On 2011-09-02 02:47:21 -0500, Tom P said:
Now this would be good news, in that there is a direct flight from Dallas/Fort Worth near where I live, to Frankfurt. If I can confirm the situation in Athens, I might make a DFW-Frankfurt-Athens travel. Hmm! Maybe I gave up hope too soon! Plans to introduce scanners in the present form at German airports have now been abandoned. The announcement was made this week by the Ministry of Interior. The tests showed a false alarm rate of 54%. http://tinyurl.com/454csr3 Spectacular news. Give that, even if I cannot use the Athens airport, it's just a really really long drive from Frankfurt to Brindisi, for the ferry the next morning. It's some time off my trip, but do-able. I'm concerned about driving 11 hours with a hour jet-lag -- but my point is valid. At worse I could stay in Mittenwald on the Austrian border again. That's a nice little town, by the way. -- Dan Stephenson http://web.mac.com/stepheda Travel pages for Europe and the U.S.A. (and New Zealand too) |
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