Wine for teenagers.

In article ,
Charles wrote:


If you wait until they are 21 and cut them loose on their own on
alcohol, that might also lead to alcoholism. But even if you do wait,
most teens are going to experiment no matter what the law. Do you think
most wait until they are 21 in the real world? Experimentation is
what teens do. It is probably better for parents to introduce their
children to alcohol under their control than for the kids peers to do
it.

Some are going to kill people, too. Is that okay for the parent to
show them how best to poison or shoot someone? Introducing to alcohol
1:1 in the privacy of the home, with the understanding that at least for
awhile it is ONLY to happen in the home, is a whole lot different from
openly being a scofflaw in public.
And don't EVEN get me started on the idiots who bring alcohol to a
party.

inn many religions kids drink a bit of wine as part of rituals at dinner.
not to get drunk but to be part of a ceremony
sheree

"Daniel R. Bonham" wrote in message
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I will agree. Agree that this is the common excuse irresponsible parents
use all the time. Lets take them out and introduce them to irresponsible
sex, alcoholism, and crack cocaine since they will experience the peer
pressure and it is better for the parents to introduce it. What a laugh of
an excuse. Hard to believe anyone can say it with a straight face.


"Charles" wrote in message
d...
In article , Daniel R.
Bonham wrote:

Or people who believe in obeying the LAW. But yes you should be able to
raise your own kids as you see fit. Want to teach them to break the law
and
give them a good excuse to start an early life of alcoholism, feel free.
But
I would not feel to proud of that fact.

If you wait until they are 21 and cut them loose on their own on
alcohol, that might also lead to alcoholism. But even if you do wait,
most teens are going to experiment no matter what the law. Do you think
most wait until they are 21 in the real world? Experimentation is
what teens do. It is probably better for parents to introduce their
children to alcohol under their control than for the kids peers to do
it.

--
Charles

There are a lot of recent studies out there about when and how to
teach young people to drink responsibly. Many advocate that parents
take an early and active role. Consequently, when you learn of parents
who make that personal parenting decision to introduce responsible
alcohol consumption to their children before the age they can purchase
or be served alcohol, think twice before you brand the parents'
decision as "teach(ing) them to break the law or "start(ing) an early
life of alcoholism."

There's a bit of confusion regarding "the law" in this thread.

Cruise Line Rules = "The Law" while you are on board a ship. All of
the cruise lines have rules regarding the legal age for an
individual's consumption of alcohol. Most cruises sailing from the US
set the age at 21 to mimic state law, with some allowing parents to
grant permission to drink to their 18-year-old children when the
cruise is in Europe or another place where 18 is the legal age. Note:
I reviewed only RCI and Princess websites, but those two lines treat
this subject in terms "consumption," rather than "purchase" or
"service" of alcohol. So, when the act is consumption, and consumption
is limited to those 21 or older, if a parent allows a child under 21
to drink, the parent is breaking the law.

"The Law" back at home = In most jurisdictions...whether US or
international...statutory law allows an underage child to consume
alcohol in the presence of the child's parent or legal guardian. (I
just checked the language of my state's statute, and it also includes
"spouse" as an authorizing presence...don't even want to go there!)
Some statutes also recognize exceptions for religious observances,
culinary education, etc. So, this means that if a parent allows his/
her own child under 21 to drink in the parent's presence, the parent
is not breaking the law.

Diana Ball
Austin, TX

PS - Dillon, also from Austin, check your spam folder!

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:02:52 -0500, Daniel R. Bonham wrote:

"RayC" wrote in message
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Tudor Jones wrote:
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other than from people that want you to raise your kids how THEY see fit.


Or people who believe in obeying the LAW. But yes you should be able to
raise your own kids as you see fit. Want to teach them to break the law and
give them a good excuse to start an early life of alcoholism, feel free. But
I would not feel to proud of that fact.

We teach our kids to break the law daily, do you drive? Obviously not.

Follow that logic of yours with the straight line relationship between a
dinner wine for a 19 yo and alcoholism, what have you got?

A moron.

The cow and let our grandkids have a cocktail ot two in the room.The boy
goes out in the hall and has a cig with me! (I'm a senior)
"D Ball" wrote in message
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There are a lot of recent studies out there about when and how to
teach young people to drink responsibly. Many advocate that parents
take an early and active role. Consequently, when you learn of parents
who make that personal parenting decision to introduce responsible
alcohol consumption to their children before the age they can purchase
or be served alcohol, think twice before you brand the parents'
decision as "teach(ing) them to break the law or "start(ing) an early
life of alcoholism."

There's a bit of confusion regarding "the law" in this thread.

Cruise Line Rules = "The Law" while you are on board a ship. All of
the cruise lines have rules regarding the legal age for an
individual's consumption of alcohol. Most cruises sailing from the US
set the age at 21 to mimic state law, with some allowing parents to
grant permission to drink to their 18-year-old children when the
cruise is in Europe or another place where 18 is the legal age. Note:
I reviewed only RCI and Princess websites, but those two lines treat
this subject in terms "consumption," rather than "purchase" or
"service" of alcohol. So, when the act is consumption, and consumption
is limited to those 21 or older, if a parent allows a child under 21
to drink, the parent is breaking the law.

"The Law" back at home = In most jurisdictions...whether US or
international...statutory law allows an underage child to consume
alcohol in the presence of the child's parent or legal guardian. (I
just checked the language of my state's statute, and it also includes
"spouse" as an authorizing presence...don't even want to go there!)
Some statutes also recognize exceptions for religious observances,
culinary education, etc. So, this means that if a parent allows his/
her own child under 21 to drink in the parent's presence, the parent
is not breaking the law.

Diana Ball
Austin, TX

PS - Dillon, also from Austin, check your spam folder!

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:51:03 -0500, Daniel R. Bonham wrote:

Agree that this is the common excuse irresponsible parents use
all the time. Lets take them out and introduce them to irresponsible sex,
alcoholism, and crack cocaine since they will experience the peer pressure
and it is better for the parents to introduce it.

I see this all the time. Dads hooking up their 14yo teenaged daughters with
lesbo prostitutes, smashed father-son duos with 70 year age differences,
and Mom and sister Cindy pullin' hard on a glass tube.

What a laugh of an excuse.
Hard to believe anyone can say it with a straight face.

But you did.

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 02:43:42 -0500, BrianK wrote:

On 11/17/2007 9:18 AM Tudor Jones plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger
and said:
In Ontario, and with the approval of the parents, children are allowed to
drink wine with their meals, even in restaurants.

What's the score in the traditional restaurants on Princess and HAL? Can
a teenager imbibe along with the parents and grandparents? How about
sipping on a glass of champagne at the captain's Welcome Aboard party?

You may be best served by asking the cruise line. Personally, I don't
think it's a good idea to start children on alcohol early. But that's
just my opinion.

Personally, I don't think it's a good idea to start children on
homosexuality early. But that's just my opinion.

Dillon Pyron wrote:
Thus spake BrianK :

On 11/17/2007 9:18 AM Tudor Jones plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger
and said:
In Ontario, and with the approval of the parents, children are allowed to
drink wine with their meals, even in restaurants.

What's the score in the traditional restaurants on Princess and HAL? Can
a teenager imbibe along with the parents and grandparents? How about
sipping on a glass of champagne at the captain's Welcome Aboard party?

You may be best served by asking the cruise line. Personally, I don't
think it's a good idea to start children on alcohol early. But that's
just my opinion.

I started drinking, with my parents, at about 12. A half glass of
wine (damn good wine) on occassion at dinner. Or a little beer at a
big celebration (like when my father won the European Championship in
skeet). No problems for me.

Royal Caribbean allows a person 18 or over (on the day of boarding) to
have wine and beer with the permission of the parents on board. I
asked about guardians and was told no.
This was mentioned by Diane Ball about the 18 year old drinking
limitations .
There is no longer any waiver to drink on RCI at 18 unless it's a
European cruise.

Bill

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www.cruisingthecaribbeanprincess.com

In article
,
D Ball wrote:


"The Law" back at home = In most jurisdictions...whether US or
international...statutory law allows an underage child to consume
alcohol in the presence of the child's parent or legal guardian. (I
just checked the language of my state's statute, and it also includes
"spouse" as an authorizing presence...don't even want to go there!)

That is in the context of home, private situations. There is
nothing in the laws (in the US) that say the parent can buy the kid a
drink in a bar (just as a clarification to your post).

On 11/18/2007 5:00 PM Kurt Ullman plucked Senior Frog's Magic Twanger
and said:
In article
,
D Ball wrote:



"The Law" back at home = In most jurisdictions...whether US or
international...statutory law allows an underage child to consume
alcohol in the presence of the child's parent or legal guardian. (I
just checked the language of my state's statute, and it also includes
"spouse" as an authorizing presence...don't even want to go there!)


That is in the context of home, private situations. There is
nothing in the laws (in the US) that say the parent can buy the kid a
drink in a bar (just as a clarification to your post).

In NYC that parent can be pinched for "Contributing to the delinquency
of a minor." But it isn't quiet likely if the bar is carding everyone on
entry as the should be doing.

Giving a minor a drink at home will not always translate into
alcoholism. The only reason why I object is that it teaches double
standards. At home, you can have a drink with dinner but not outside.
At best this is frustrating and confusing. At worst the youth will
reason that since it's ok at home in secret, then it's ok outside if
done clandestinely.

I can't cite the exact study. In my social psych course I recall there
being a higher incidence of alcoholism amongst French and Italians who
were introduced to wine at home while under the age of 10.

Ultimately, it all depends on the policy of the cruise that the O.P.
will be taking The rest is my opinion.

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