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Old January 18th, 2004, 01:18 AM
Alasdair Baxter
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Do the UK authorities keep records of arrests which do not result in
charges, prosecutions or convictions? If so, how long are such
records kept?

In today's Daily Telegraph it states that UK citizens wishing to
travel to the US will need to obtain a visa (at a cost of £67 and a
lot of hassle) if they have ever been arrested.
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Old January 18th, 2004, 02:07 AM
Keith Willshaw
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"Alasdair Baxter" wrote in message
...
Do the UK authorities keep records of arrests which do not result in
charges, prosecutions or convictions?


Yes

If so, how long are such
records kept?


Indefinitely but that's not the real issue, the question
is do the US immigration authorities have access to
the UK police national computer, its my understanding
that they do not.

IF the hypothetical arrest was related to drugs, terrorism
or a serious sexual offence its possible that a watch
notice was passed to the US authorities, otherwise they
are unlikely to know anything about it.


In today's Daily Telegraph it states that UK citizens wishing to
travel to the US will need to obtain a visa (at a cost of £67 and a
lot of hassle) if they have ever been arrested.


The official position of the US Government is that this
is NOT a new regulation and has always applied.

The detailed legal definitions are at
http://travel.state.gov/visa;ineligible.html

Keith


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Old January 18th, 2004, 05:06 AM
Paul O
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US authorities require disclosure of CONVICTIONS - not arrests. US like much
of the rest of the world works on the Principle of Presumption of Innocence
(except for 'detainees' in Guantanamo Bay).

No convictions - no worries!!


"Alasdair Baxter" wrote in message
...
Do the UK authorities keep records of arrests which do not result in
charges, prosecutions or convictions? If so, how long are such
records kept?

In today's Daily Telegraph it states that UK citizens wishing to
travel to the US will need to obtain a visa (at a cost of £67 and a
lot of hassle) if they have ever been arrested.
--

Alasdair Baxter, Nottingham, UK.Tel +44 115 9705100; Fax +44 115 9423263

"It's not what you say that matters but how you say it.
It's not what you do that matters but how you do it"



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Old January 18th, 2004, 11:38 AM
Keith Willshaw
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"Paul O" wrote in message
u...
US authorities require disclosure of CONVICTIONS - not arrests.


Incorrect the web page at the US embassy specifically requires disclosure
of arrests where no prosection or conviction required

US like much
of the rest of the world works on the Principle of Presumption of

Innocence
(except for 'detainees' in Guantanamo Bay).

No convictions - no worries!!


Not true, please dont dissemniate inaccurate information.

from

http://www.usembassy.org.uk/cons_web/visa/niv/vwp.htm

"Important: Some travelers may not be eligible to enter the United
States visa free under the VWP. These include people who have
been arrested, even if the arrest did not result in a criminal conviction,"

The detailed requirements are complex but unless the arrests
were for drug related crimes, terrorist offences, sex crimes,
serious felonies carrying more than a12 month sentence
or there were multiple arrests the chances are you'll be OK.

Keith


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Old January 18th, 2004, 03:37 PM
Me
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Default UK Arrest Records

In article ,
Alasdair Baxter wrote:

Do the UK authorities keep records of arrests which do not result in
charges, prosecutions or convictions? If so, how long are such
records kept?

In today's Daily Telegraph it states that UK citizens wishing to
travel to the US will need to obtain a visa (at a cost of £67 and a
lot of hassle) if they have ever been arrested.
--


Since you're in the UK, why not ask the UK authorities rather than
relying on opinions from complete strangers in this newsgroup? If
you have an arrest record in the UK, apply for a visa to the states
and see what happens.
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Old January 19th, 2004, 04:36 AM
Paul O
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(2) CRIMINAL AND RELATED GROUNDS.--
(A) CONVICTION OF CERTAIN CRIMES.--
(i) IN GENERAL.-- Except as provided in a clause (ii), any alien convicted
of, or who admits having committed, or who admits acts which constitute the
essential elements of--
(I) a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political
offense), or
(II) a violation of (or a conspiracy to violate) any law or regulation of a
State, the United States, or a foreign country relating to a controlled
substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21
U.S.C. 802)), is excludable.

One of us can't read!!!!


"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
...

"Paul O" wrote in message
u...
US authorities require disclosure of CONVICTIONS - not arrests.


Incorrect the web page at the US embassy specifically requires disclosure
of arrests where no prosection or conviction required

US like much
of the rest of the world works on the Principle of Presumption of

Innocence
(except for 'detainees' in Guantanamo Bay).

No convictions - no worries!!


Not true, please dont dissemniate inaccurate information.

from

http://www.usembassy.org.uk/cons_web/visa/niv/vwp.htm

"Important: Some travelers may not be eligible to enter the United
States visa free under the VWP. These include people who have
been arrested, even if the arrest did not result in a criminal

conviction,"

The detailed requirements are complex but unless the arrests
were for drug related crimes, terrorist offences, sex crimes,
serious felonies carrying more than a12 month sentence
or there were multiple arrests the chances are you'll be OK.

Keith




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Old January 19th, 2004, 07:08 AM
Mark Brader
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Default UK Arrest Records - Is illiteracy considered?

Quoted text *first*, then new material, remember?

Paul O. writes:
US authorities require disclosure of CONVICTIONS - not arrests.


Keith Willshaw responds:
Incorrect the web page at the US embassy specifically requires disclosure
of arrests where no prosection or conviction required ...


And cites:
http://www.usembassy.org.uk/cons_web/visa/niv/vwp.htm
"Important: Some travelers may not be eligible to enter the United
States visa free under the VWP. These include people who have
been arrested, even if the arrest did not result in a criminal
conviction,"


Paul O. then quotes, out of context:
(2) CRIMINAL AND RELATED GROUNDS.--
(A) CONVICTION OF CERTAIN CRIMES.--
(i) IN GENERAL.-- Except as provided in a clause (ii), any alien convicted
of, or who admits having committed, or who admits acts which constitute the
essential elements of--
(I) a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political
offense), or
(II) a violation of (or a conspiracy to violate) any law or regulation of a
State, the United States, or a foreign country relating to a controlled
substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21
U.S.C. 802)), is excludable.


This passage defines certain people who are "excludable". It doesn't
even assert that they are the only ones who are excludable. Keith's cite,
on the other hand, is about people who are ineligible "to enter the US
visa-free". That's hardly the same thing; one would even expect the rules
for it to be different.
--
Mark Brader "After all, it is necessary to get behind
Toronto someone before you can stab them in the back."
-- Lynn & Jay, "Yes, Prime Minister"

My text in this article is in the public domain.
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Old January 19th, 2004, 09:06 AM
Keith Willshaw
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"Paul O" wrote in message
u...
(2) CRIMINAL AND RELATED GROUNDS.--
(A) CONVICTION OF CERTAIN CRIMES.--
(i) IN GENERAL.-- Except as provided in a clause (ii), any alien convicted
of, or who admits having committed, or who admits acts which constitute

the
essential elements of--
(I) a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political
offense), or
(II) a violation of (or a conspiracy to violate) any law or regulation of

a
State, the United States, or a foreign country relating to a controlled
substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21
U.S.C. 802)), is excludable.

One of us can't read!!!!


Or put stuff in context, those are the regulations
oertaining to visa eligibility not the visa waiver
programme .

Keith


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Old January 20th, 2004, 07:27 AM
Sjoerd
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"Mark Brader" schreef in bericht
...
(I) a crime involving moral turpitude


Can anyone define "moral turpitude"?

Sjoerd


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Old January 20th, 2004, 08:48 AM
Keith Willshaw
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"Sjoerd" wrote in message
...

"Mark Brader" schreef in bericht
...
(I) a crime involving moral turpitude


Can anyone define "moral turpitude"?


"gross violation of standards of moral conduct, vileness.
An act involving moral turpitude is considered intentionally
evil, making the act a crime. The existence of moral turpitude
can bring a more severe criminal charge or penalty for a
criminal defendant."

I'm afraid its one of those things that courts get to interpret.
Bottom line is that what is considered moral turpitude in
Iowa may be regarded as acceptable in San Francisco.

Keith


 




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