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UK Arrest Records
Do the UK authorities keep records of arrests which do not result in
charges, prosecutions or convictions? If so, how long are such records kept? In today's Daily Telegraph it states that UK citizens wishing to travel to the US will need to obtain a visa (at a cost of £67 and a lot of hassle) if they have ever been arrested. -- Alasdair Baxter, Nottingham, UK.Tel +44 115 9705100; Fax +44 115 9423263 "It's not what you say that matters but how you say it. It's not what you do that matters but how you do it" |
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UK Arrest Records
"Alasdair Baxter" wrote in message ... Do the UK authorities keep records of arrests which do not result in charges, prosecutions or convictions? Yes If so, how long are such records kept? Indefinitely but that's not the real issue, the question is do the US immigration authorities have access to the UK police national computer, its my understanding that they do not. IF the hypothetical arrest was related to drugs, terrorism or a serious sexual offence its possible that a watch notice was passed to the US authorities, otherwise they are unlikely to know anything about it. In today's Daily Telegraph it states that UK citizens wishing to travel to the US will need to obtain a visa (at a cost of £67 and a lot of hassle) if they have ever been arrested. The official position of the US Government is that this is NOT a new regulation and has always applied. The detailed legal definitions are at http://travel.state.gov/visa;ineligible.html Keith |
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UK Arrest Records
US authorities require disclosure of CONVICTIONS - not arrests. US like much
of the rest of the world works on the Principle of Presumption of Innocence (except for 'detainees' in Guantanamo Bay). No convictions - no worries!! "Alasdair Baxter" wrote in message ... Do the UK authorities keep records of arrests which do not result in charges, prosecutions or convictions? If so, how long are such records kept? In today's Daily Telegraph it states that UK citizens wishing to travel to the US will need to obtain a visa (at a cost of £67 and a lot of hassle) if they have ever been arrested. -- Alasdair Baxter, Nottingham, UK.Tel +44 115 9705100; Fax +44 115 9423263 "It's not what you say that matters but how you say it. It's not what you do that matters but how you do it" |
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UK Arrest Records
"Paul O" wrote in message u... US authorities require disclosure of CONVICTIONS - not arrests. Incorrect the web page at the US embassy specifically requires disclosure of arrests where no prosection or conviction required US like much of the rest of the world works on the Principle of Presumption of Innocence (except for 'detainees' in Guantanamo Bay). No convictions - no worries!! Not true, please dont dissemniate inaccurate information. from http://www.usembassy.org.uk/cons_web/visa/niv/vwp.htm "Important: Some travelers may not be eligible to enter the United States visa free under the VWP. These include people who have been arrested, even if the arrest did not result in a criminal conviction," The detailed requirements are complex but unless the arrests were for drug related crimes, terrorist offences, sex crimes, serious felonies carrying more than a12 month sentence or there were multiple arrests the chances are you'll be OK. Keith |
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UK Arrest Records
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Alasdair Baxter wrote: Do the UK authorities keep records of arrests which do not result in charges, prosecutions or convictions? If so, how long are such records kept? In today's Daily Telegraph it states that UK citizens wishing to travel to the US will need to obtain a visa (at a cost of £67 and a lot of hassle) if they have ever been arrested. -- Since you're in the UK, why not ask the UK authorities rather than relying on opinions from complete strangers in this newsgroup? If you have an arrest record in the UK, apply for a visa to the states and see what happens. |
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UK Arrest Records - Is illiteracy considered?
(2) CRIMINAL AND RELATED GROUNDS.--
(A) CONVICTION OF CERTAIN CRIMES.-- (i) IN GENERAL.-- Except as provided in a clause (ii), any alien convicted of, or who admits having committed, or who admits acts which constitute the essential elements of-- (I) a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political offense), or (II) a violation of (or a conspiracy to violate) any law or regulation of a State, the United States, or a foreign country relating to a controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)), is excludable. One of us can't read!!!! "Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ... "Paul O" wrote in message u... US authorities require disclosure of CONVICTIONS - not arrests. Incorrect the web page at the US embassy specifically requires disclosure of arrests where no prosection or conviction required US like much of the rest of the world works on the Principle of Presumption of Innocence (except for 'detainees' in Guantanamo Bay). No convictions - no worries!! Not true, please dont dissemniate inaccurate information. from http://www.usembassy.org.uk/cons_web/visa/niv/vwp.htm "Important: Some travelers may not be eligible to enter the United States visa free under the VWP. These include people who have been arrested, even if the arrest did not result in a criminal conviction," The detailed requirements are complex but unless the arrests were for drug related crimes, terrorist offences, sex crimes, serious felonies carrying more than a12 month sentence or there were multiple arrests the chances are you'll be OK. Keith |
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UK Arrest Records - Is illiteracy considered?
Quoted text *first*, then new material, remember?
Paul O. writes: US authorities require disclosure of CONVICTIONS - not arrests. Keith Willshaw responds: Incorrect the web page at the US embassy specifically requires disclosure of arrests where no prosection or conviction required ... And cites: http://www.usembassy.org.uk/cons_web/visa/niv/vwp.htm "Important: Some travelers may not be eligible to enter the United States visa free under the VWP. These include people who have been arrested, even if the arrest did not result in a criminal conviction," Paul O. then quotes, out of context: (2) CRIMINAL AND RELATED GROUNDS.-- (A) CONVICTION OF CERTAIN CRIMES.-- (i) IN GENERAL.-- Except as provided in a clause (ii), any alien convicted of, or who admits having committed, or who admits acts which constitute the essential elements of-- (I) a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political offense), or (II) a violation of (or a conspiracy to violate) any law or regulation of a State, the United States, or a foreign country relating to a controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)), is excludable. This passage defines certain people who are "excludable". It doesn't even assert that they are the only ones who are excludable. Keith's cite, on the other hand, is about people who are ineligible "to enter the US visa-free". That's hardly the same thing; one would even expect the rules for it to be different. -- Mark Brader "After all, it is necessary to get behind Toronto someone before you can stab them in the back." -- Lynn & Jay, "Yes, Prime Minister" My text in this article is in the public domain. |
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UK Arrest Records - Is illiteracy considered?
"Paul O" wrote in message u... (2) CRIMINAL AND RELATED GROUNDS.-- (A) CONVICTION OF CERTAIN CRIMES.-- (i) IN GENERAL.-- Except as provided in a clause (ii), any alien convicted of, or who admits having committed, or who admits acts which constitute the essential elements of-- (I) a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political offense), or (II) a violation of (or a conspiracy to violate) any law or regulation of a State, the United States, or a foreign country relating to a controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)), is excludable. One of us can't read!!!! Or put stuff in context, those are the regulations oertaining to visa eligibility not the visa waiver programme . Keith |
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UK Arrest Records - Is illiteracy considered?
"Mark Brader" schreef in bericht ... (I) a crime involving moral turpitude Can anyone define "moral turpitude"? Sjoerd |
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UK Arrest Records - Is illiteracy considered?
"Sjoerd" wrote in message ... "Mark Brader" schreef in bericht ... (I) a crime involving moral turpitude Can anyone define "moral turpitude"? "gross violation of standards of moral conduct, vileness. An act involving moral turpitude is considered intentionally evil, making the act a crime. The existence of moral turpitude can bring a more severe criminal charge or penalty for a criminal defendant." I'm afraid its one of those things that courts get to interpret. Bottom line is that what is considered moral turpitude in Iowa may be regarded as acceptable in San Francisco. Keith |
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