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This is an outrage!
You can't even go overseas without the US government sticking its nose in
your bedroom. Prosecutor Says Man Visited Pedophile Resort By SUSAN SAULNY A former Brooklyn pediatrician took beach vacations to Mexico and Central America not to enjoy sun and sand, but rather to have sex with young boys at a resort for pedophiles, a federal prosecutor told a Manhattan jury yesterday as the man's trial began. The former doctor, Stefan Irving, 56, of Sunset Park, traveled to Mexico and Honduras, where he baited boys as young as 6 with action figures and children's books, then took advantage of them, Michael Scudder, an assistant United States attorney, said in his opening statement in Federal District Court. "Ladies and gentlemen, the defendant did not stay at a Holiday Inn," Mr. Scudder said. "He stayed at a resort where American men go to have sex with boys." Mr. Irving was arrested in May after a lengthy nationwide investigation led the authorities to a guesthouse in Acapulco, where they say boys from 6 to 17 were recruited off the streets and given shelter in exchange for sex. Mr. Irving is charged with traveling internationally to engage in sex with a minor. If he is convicted, he will face up to 30 years in prison. Mr. Irving lost his license to practice medicine after being convicted of attempted sexual abuse of a child in 1983. Mr. Irving's lawyer, Andrew Citron, said in his opening statement that the government had a "tremendous absence of evidence" to support its charges in the current case. Mr. Citron also told the jury that Mr. Irving certainly had an interest in minors, but that his interest was "not illegal." "He had many other reasons to make these trips other than to have sex with minors," Mr. Citron said of Mr. Irving. He later added, "These were normal vacations." Mr. Citron criticized the government's evidence, which includes entries from Mr. Irving's personal journal and testimony from the manager of the Mexican guesthouse. He said that the journal excerpts about boys were incomplete and misleading, and that the manager of the guesthouse had ulterior motives for cooperating with prosecutors. Officials have said the manager told them that on more than one occasion he observed a boy accompanying Mr. Irving into his bedroom at night. According to the complaint, the manager told investigators that Mr. Irving questioned him about which boys were staying at the guesthouse. "The manager stated that Irving asked for such information because, perhaps among other reasons, he wanted to be certain that his favorite boys would be at the house when he visited from the United States," the complaint stated. -- Steve º¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤º Steve Chaney Remove "Vegetus." to get my real email address See the soc.singles HALL OF STUPID: http://member.newsguy.com/~gunhed/hallofstupid "If only sheep could cook, we wouldn't need women at all! 8)" - Dizzy, Message-ID: "Outside of this group, I don't remember hearing anyone in RL say that fat people are worthless." - some anonymous coward admitting the truth, Message-ID: "I watched The Accused last night with Jodie Foster. Tough movie. I was wondering what people felt as to whether or not they feel she deserved what happened to her." - Brenda Lee Ehmka, Message-ID: "Jade, your whole existence is spent trying to find people you can justify vetting your rage toward thorugh all forms of harassment. Do you realize that?" - Sunny, on Jade's life in a nutshell |
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This is an outrage!
"Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins ®" wrote in message You can't even go overseas without the US government sticking its nose in your bedroom. You are just as sick as he is if you are upset the US government is going after him. You two can meet in hell. |
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This is an outrage!
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Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:50:33 -0400, "CX" wrote: "Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins ®" wrote in message You can't even go overseas without the US government sticking its nose in your bedroom. You are just as sick as he is if you are upset the US government is going after him. You two can meet in hell. Hell is a good place for Steve Chaney's forger. Hi Dicky Nonads! LV Remove "intel" from address to reply Lady Veteran - ----------------------------------- "I rode a tank and held a general's rank when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..." - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil - ------------------------------------------------ Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have." -Stephen Wright - ------------------------------------------- Ridicule of fat people is never acceptable. Those who insist on doing this are living examples of that old Chinese proverb: Keep mouth closed and be thought a fool: Open mouth and remove all doubt. In other words, they are idiots. - ------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0 - not licensed for commercial use: www.pgp.com iQA/AwUBP3jy7sTgtWhYq7BhEQLYMQCfRk69V6FUyBSO6ABc+LC6yM SKNBQAn1qO LmDFUZQjiVjiX0uwe3H+KpiR =dizy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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This is an outrage!
Agreed. But still, how can they prosecute for something that happened in
another country? "traveling internationally to engage in sex with a minor"? wrote in message ... Great for them. About time these scumbags are taken off the street, wherever the street is. A former Brooklyn pediatrician took beach vacations to Mexico and Central America not to enjoy sun and sand, but rather to have sex with young boys at a resort for pedophiles, a federal prosecutor told a Manhattan jury yesterday as the man's trial began. The former doctor, Stefan Irving, 56, of Sunset Park, traveled to Mexico and Honduras, where he baited boys as young as 6 with action figures and children's books, then took advantage of them, Michael Scudder, an assistant United States attorney, said in his opening statement in Federal District Court. "Ladies and gentlemen, the defendant did not stay at a Holiday Inn," Mr. Scudder said. "He stayed at a resort where American men go to have sex with boys." Mr. Irving was arrested in May after a lengthy nationwide investigation led the authorities to a guesthouse in Acapulco, where they say boys from 6 to 17 were recruited off the streets and given shelter in exchange for sex. Mr. Irving is charged with traveling internationally to engage in sex with a minor. If he is convicted, he will face up to 30 years in prison. ...snip |
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This is an outrage!
I think you're being too kind, Jim.
I say put him in a jail cell with the family members of The children he molested. Cathy On 9/30/03 12:26 PM, in article , "Jim" wrote: The only outrage is that this man is still alive and walking free. Some crimes are so outrageous that national boundaries should not matter and this piece of filth is an example. Locking him in a cage with a psychopath may be too good for him. Jim |
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"Jeeters" wrote in message
... Agreed. But still, how can they prosecute for something that happened in another country? "traveling internationally to engage in sex with a minor"? Yes. In Australia, at least. We have laws that allow Australians to be tried for such obscenities here, even if the crime is committed overseas. -- Alan Erskine alanerskine(at)optusnet.com.au Iraq - America's new Vietnam? |
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This is an outrage!
Jeeters wrote:
Agreed. But still, how can they prosecute for something that happened in another country? "traveling internationally to engage in sex with a minor"? Yes, exactly. There's nothing new about prosecuting for conduct that occurs outside US jurisdiction. Consider the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu Site remodeled 10-Sept-2003: Hundreds of new photos, easier navigation. |
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This is an outrage!
Cathy Heidemann wrote:
I say put him in a jail cell with the family members of The children he molested. Sounds like a real treat for the family. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu Site remodeled 10-Sept-2003: Hundreds of new photos, easier navigation. |
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This is an outrage!
Steve Chaney, aka Papa Gunnykins ® wrote:
You can't even go overseas without the US government sticking its nose in your bedroom. I might have been tempted to say something about the seizure of Irving's personal journal (did they get a search warrant?), but given the list of newsgroups this was posted to, all I can say is Nice Troll Does izzums need a troll biscuit? I mean, what does all this have to do with "fat acceptance"? Nice try, thank you for playing. -- I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all. |
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