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Old October 25th, 2006, 12:21 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
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http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2006/...n_is_turn.html

Published 10/24/06


Britain is turning on the U.S. - at its own peril


"Anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism have poisoned British politics. In
a world of terrorism, the timing couldn't be worse.


Everyone knows that Europe is a continent stuffed with craven,
terror-appeasing fromages who loathe America. Britain, by contrast, led
by the lion-hearted Tony Blair, is full of stalwarts who stand shoulder
to shoulder with the United States in the defense of the West. Right?

Wrong. Fury at Prime Minister Blair for being President Bush's "poodle"
has reached such a pitch that the most successful Labor prime minister
in memory is being forced out of office because of his support for U.S.
policy in Iraq and Israel. Labor's members of Parliament say his
refusal to break with America by calling for an earlier cease-fire in
Lebanon was the last straw. The disturbing fact is that Britain is
consumed by a rampant anti-Americanism and an allied hostility toward
Israel, which are driving public debate into irrationality, prejudice
and appeasement.

(Illustration by Keith Simmons, USA TODAY)

Backlash to the U.S.

In a Populus poll last month in The Times of London, 62% said the
government should change its policy by distancing itself from the
United States, being more critical of Israel and declaring a timetable
for withdrawing from Iraq. An August YouGov poll in The Spectator
magazine revealed that while 53% wanted a tougher anti-terrorism
policy, 45% wanted to be allied more closely with the European Union
than with America. Only 14% supported closer U.S. ties.

As a result, the prospects for the alliance between Britain and the
United States in the post-Blair era do not look promising. Despite
being an instinctive Atlanticist, Gordon Brown, the most likely
successor as Labor prime minister, is thought to be only a reluctant
backer of the war in Iraq, according to a new autobiography by former
Labor minister David Blunkett.

Meanwhile David Cameron, the new young leader of the opposition
Conservative Party, made a speech last month distancing himself from
U.S. foreign policy and blaming America for fanning the flames of
anti-Americanism. The outcome might be that Britain increasingly
snuggles up to the EU over foreign policy while an irritated America,
bereft of its principal advocate in Europe, moves toward isolationism.

Much of Britain's anti-Americanism is driven by the usual suspects,
such as far-left lawmaker George Galloway or newspapers such as the
ultra-left Guardian. Galloway, for instance, said during an interview
with GQ magazine earlier this year that the assassination of Blair by a
suicide bomber would be "morally justified."

Left-wing discourse, now staple fare on the BBC and applauded even by
conservatively minded audiences in panel discussions, proclaims that
the United States is the fount of Third World oppression and the
greatest threat to world peace.

But British animosity toward the U.K.'s most important and historic
ally is wider and deeper. Partly it derives from simple snobbery, the
long-standing British belief that Americans are vulgar upstarts who
lack the gravitas that Britain has accrued from a thousand years of
history.

Probe further, however, and you discover anguish at the progressive
junking of that history. Schools, for example, no longer teach the
history or values of the British nation on the grounds that national
identity based on a majority culture is viewed as "racist." Instead,
they promote multiculturalism, the doctrine that minority value must
have equal status to those of the majority. Loss of confidence in
Britain's role in the world has demoralized its governing class so
badly that it has come to believe that the nation state is the
principal source of all ills from prejudice to war, and that legitimacy
resides instead in supranational institutions.

So no international action can be taken without sanctification by that
holy of holies, the United Nations. As a result, the British regard
Bush's "unilateral" foreign policy with undiluted horror. This is made
worse by disdain for Bush himself, regarded as a tongue-tied cowboy who
actually believes in God - to the post-religious British, the nearest
thing to a certificate of lunacy.

The biggest single cause of British anti-Americanism, however, is
Israel. Despite being the target for more than half a century of
genocidal Arab and Muslim aggression, Israel is widely perceived in
Britain as the regional bully, and its acts of self-defense are viewed
as the principal motor behind both the Middle East impasse and Islamic
grievance because of its supposed refusal to allow the Palestinians to
have a state of their own.

Thus John Denham, chairman of the parliamentary Home Affairs Select
Committee, wrote that Israel's policies were making Britain a target
for terror. America brought the 9/11 attacks upon itself, goes this
type of thinking, because of its support for Israel - and the only
reason Britain is now threatened by Islamic terror is because of
Blair's support for the United States.

Open season on Jews

This has opened a Pandora's box of anti-Jewish prejudice in Britain.

A recent report by the Parliamentary Committee Against Anti-semitism
found that since 2000, anti-Semitism is on the rise in Britain. It is
now common to read in the news media, for example, that the Jews are
engaged in a global conspiracy that has subverted U.S. foreign policy
to serve the interests of Israel and put the rest of the world at risk.
In April, for instance, The Independent newspaper illustrated an
interview on the subject of the "Israel lobby" in America with a
picture of the American flag in which the stars of the union were
replaced with the Stars of David. The headline: "The United States of
Israel." Thus the prejudice against America is inextricably conflated
with prejudice against Jews and the Jewish state.

The dismaying truth is that, even after the suicide bombings in London,
America's defense of the free world against Islamic terror is widely
viewed in Britain as the cause of that terror. The paranoid bigotry
that drives the jihad - that the United States and its Jewish puppet
masters make up a giant conspiracy of evil - is being increasingly
echoed within Britain's non-Muslim population.

The very idea that weakening the alliance with the United States would
be in Britain's interests is madness. But in a country that has lost
its way, rationality is a commodity in short supply."

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Old October 25th, 2006, 12:34 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
Padraig Breathnach
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"PJ O'Donovan" wrote:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2006/...n_is_turn.html

Published 10/24/06


Britain is turning on the U.S. - at its own peril


I read it, Peej. It's crap. Now **** off.

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Old October 25th, 2006, 01:48 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
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PJ O'Donovan wrote:
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2006/...n_is_turn.html

Published 10/24/06


Britain is turning on the U.S. - at its own peril


Yeah at the peril of economic blackmail.




"Anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism have poisoned British politics. In
a world of terrorism, the timing couldn't be worse.


Why? They own a significant chunk of US debt along with the
rest of Europe and their currencies are stronger than ours.
You state that they're anti-semitic for what? Criticising
Israel?


Everyone knows that Europe is a continent stuffed with craven,
terror-appeasing fromages who loathe America.


Sure, because America has been hijacked by Neocons and
special interests that have stolen the consitution and
made the US a shadow of it's former self.

Britain, by contrast, led
by the lion-hearted Tony Blair, is full of stalwarts who stand shoulder
to shoulder with the United States in the defense of the West. Right?

Wrong. Fury at Prime Minister Blair for being President Bush's "poodle"
has reached such a pitch that the most successful Labor prime minister
in memory is being forced out of office because of his support for U.S.
policy in Iraq and Israel. Labor's members of Parliament say his
refusal to break with America by calling for an earlier cease-fire in
Lebanon was the last straw. The disturbing fact is that Britain is
consumed by a rampant anti-Americanism and an allied hostility toward
Israel, which are driving public debate into irrationality, prejudice
and appeasement.


This sounds like its more about Zionists getting
****ed off with Britain about Israel than anything else.
Sorry! Did you think you had a stanglehold on Britain via
Blair?? Oops!

(Illustration by Keith Simmons, USA TODAY)

Backlash to the U.S.

In a Populus poll last month in The Times of London, 62% said the
government should change its policy by distancing itself from the
United States, being more critical of Israel and declaring a timetable
for withdrawing from Iraq.


Whats wrong with that? Vox populi, vox Dei etc.

An August YouGov poll in The Spectator
magazine revealed that while 53% wanted a tougher anti-terrorism
policy, 45% wanted to be allied more closely with the European Union
than with America. Only 14% supported closer U.S. ties.


Sure, after the Lancet study about over 600k deaths in Iraq,
Israel killing Lebanese civilians indiscriminately,
torture, secret dungeons, warrantless wiretapping -
who would want to be associated with that apart from
Bolsheviks? Not to mention that the war on Iraq
was based on lies and so was the invasion of Lebanon,
in an attempt to get to Syria. The Brit public is
much less dumbed down than the folks over here.

As a result, the prospects for the alliance between Britain and the
United States in the post-Blair era do not look promising. Despite
being an instinctive Atlanticist, Gordon Brown, the most likely
successor as Labor prime minister, is thought to be only a reluctant
backer of the war in Iraq, according to a new autobiography by former
Labor minister David Blunkett.


Nothing wrong with that either - he knows the war was based
on lies.

Meanwhile David Cameron, the new young leader of the opposition
Conservative Party, made a speech last month distancing himself from
U.S. foreign policy and blaming America for fanning the flames of
anti-Americanism. The outcome might be that Britain increasingly
snuggles up to the EU over foreign policy while an irritated America,
bereft of its principal advocate in Europe, moves toward isolationism.


America needs a new government pronto. The Neocons have
destroyed our image globally.


Much of Britain's anti-Americanism is driven by the usual suspects,
such as far-left lawmaker George Galloway or newspapers such as the
ultra-left Guardian. Galloway, for instance, said during an interview
with GQ magazine earlier this year that the assassination of Blair by a
suicide bomber would be "morally justified."


If he did, that's excessive, but you guys just have a problem with
Galloway due to the fact he ripped Coleman a new one on public TV -
biggest public humiliation I recall seeing.

Left-wing discourse, now staple fare on the BBC and applauded even by
conservatively minded audiences in panel discussions, proclaims that
the United States is the fount of Third World oppression and the
greatest threat to world peace.


So we need to correct that impression by electing a new government
that's not bought and paid for in advance. Simple.


But British animosity toward the U.K.'s most important and historic
ally is wider and deeper. Partly it derives from simple snobbery, the
long-standing British belief that Americans are vulgar upstarts who
lack the gravitas that Britain has accrued from a thousand years of
history.



This is total junk. They are upset because they have been lied
into a war and have seen utter Mayhem on the Neocon watch, bombs
in London and the total disregard of the ANGLO-SAXON vision,
values, history and ethics that the US was founded upon.

Probe further, however, and you discover anguish at the progressive
junking of that history. Schools, for example, no longer teach the
history or values of the British nation on the grounds that national
identity based on a majority culture is viewed as "racist." Instead,
they promote multiculturalism, the doctrine that minority value must
have equal status to those of the majority. Loss of confidence in
Britain's role in the world has demoralized its governing class so
badly that it has come to believe that the nation state is the
principal source of all ills from prejudice to war, and that legitimacy
resides instead in supranational institutions.


More nonsense. The UK was witnessed a major attempt
at Ukranianization on Blair's watch. Out in the countryside,
the Brits remember who they are. And that memory doesn't
include Gulags, torture and dictators.


So no international action can be taken without sanctification by that
holy of holies, the United Nations. As a result, the British regard
Bush's "unilateral" foreign policy with undiluted horror. This is made
worse by disdain for Bush himself, regarded as a tongue-tied cowboy who
actually believes in God - to the post-religious British, the nearest
thing to a certificate of lunacy.


When someone claims to be Christian, other Christians are
free to scrutinize their actions in the light of Jesus's teachings.
Simple. They ARE horrified.


The biggest single cause of British anti-Americanism, however, is
Israel. Despite being the target for more than half a century of
genocidal Arab and Muslim aggression, Israel is widely perceived in
Britain as the regional bully, and its acts of self-defense are viewed
as the principal motor behind both the Middle East impasse and Islamic
grievance because of its supposed refusal to allow the Palestinians to
have a state of their own.


Actually Israel has killed 40:1 more Arabs that Arabs have killed
Israelis. Genocide?


Thus John Denham, chairman of the parliamentary Home Affairs Select
Committee, wrote that Israel's policies were making Britain a target
for terror. America brought the 9/11 attacks upon itself, goes this
type of thinking, because of its support for Israel - and the only
reason Britain is now threatened by Islamic terror is because of
Blair's support for the United States.


Which is threatened because of unquestioned support for Israel
and Arab dictatorships which guarantee cheap oil at the
expense of their own people.

Open season on Jews

This has opened a Pandora's box of anti-Jewish prejudice in Britain.

A recent report by the Parliamentary Committee Against Anti-semitism
found that since 2000, anti-Semitism is on the rise in Britain. It is
now common to read in the news media, for example, that the Jews are
engaged in a global conspiracy that has subverted U.S. foreign policy
to serve the interests of Israel and put the rest of the world at risk.
In April, for instance, The Independent newspaper illustrated an
interview on the subject of the "Israel lobby" in America with a
picture of the American flag in which the stars of the union were
replaced with the Stars of David. The headline: "The United States of
Israel." Thus the prejudice against America is inextricably conflated
with prejudice against Jews and the Jewish state.


The Israel Lobby was exposed by Jews and we all saw the Abramoff/AIPAC
fiasco. Are you pretending it didn't happen? My guess: It was
the tip of the iceberg.

The dismaying truth is that, even after the suicide bombings in London,
America's defense of the free world against Islamic terror is widely
viewed in Britain as the cause of that terror.


What defense on terror? Where's Bin Laden, Omar?
What was Al Qaeda's ORBAT on 911? What is it now?
Afghanistan and Iraq are on the verge of collapse and
there are now myriads of AQ clones.
War on terror? Don't make me laugh.

The paranoid bigotry
that drives the jihad - that the United States and its Jewish puppet
masters make up a giant conspiracy of evil - is being increasingly
echoed within Britain's non-Muslim population.


Israel has come to compromise with its neighbours or
discontinue itself.

The very idea that weakening the alliance with the United States would
be in Britain's interests is madness. But in a country that has lost
its way, rationality is a commodity in short supply."


What a load of garbage. Their voters at least know when they
have been hijacked by special interests. We'll see in November
if ours do.

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Old October 25th, 2006, 02:02 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
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Following up to FiveTwoAlphaOne MikeOscarPapa.org :

You state that they're anti-semitic for what? Criticising
Israel?


"If you're not with us, you're against us" seems to be the Fox News
watchers' motto.
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Old October 25th, 2006, 02:07 PM posted to rec.travel.europe,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:48:45 -0400, FiveTwoAlphaOne
MikeOscarPapa.org wrote:

This is made
worse by disdain for Bush himself, regarded as a tongue-tied cowboy who
actually believes in God - to the post-religious British, the nearest
thing to a certificate of lunacy.


true

When someone claims to be Christian, other Christians are
free to scrutinize their actions in the light of Jesus's teachings.
Simple. They ARE horrified.


also true!

The biggest single cause of British anti-Americanism, however, is
Israel. Despite being the target for more than half a century of
genocidal Arab and Muslim aggression, Israel is widely perceived in
Britain as the regional bully, and its acts of self-defense


its interesting the the americans can be so blind to the arab side of
the case that they see even handedness as anti semitism.

I had expected to see no more of these posts (I notice "fromage" was
mentioned in one part of the anti europe rant) now that Iraq is near
the point of disaster. Does this mean there are still americans who
think "shock and awe" worked? Or is it just simple trolling?
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Old October 25th, 2006, 02:23 PM posted to rec.travel.europe,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
Padraig Breathnach
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The Reid wrote:

I had expected to see no more of these posts (I notice "fromage" was
mentioned in one part of the anti europe rant) now that Iraq is near
the point of disaster. Does this mean there are still americans who
think "shock and awe" worked? Or is it just simple trolling?


It's Peej who posted it. He's not really a troll, in that he is not
teasing or baiting us. He really believes the stuff. Judge for
yourself whether you should take him seriously.

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Old October 25th, 2006, 02:34 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
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PJ O'Donovan wrote:

newspapers such as the
ultra-left Guardian


snip

*PLONK*

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Old October 25th, 2006, 02:47 PM posted to rec.travel.europe,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:23:46 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
wrote:

Or is it just simple trolling?

It's Peej who posted it. He's not really a troll, in that he is not
teasing or baiting us. He really believes the stuff.


I get that impression.

Judge for yourself whether you should take him seriously.


I understand 20% of Americans still think the war is going OK.

I reckon they know that all they have to do is cause continuing
casualties and US will eventually pull out.
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Old October 25th, 2006, 02:48 PM posted to alt.activism.death-penalty,talk.politics.misc,uk.politics.misc,aus.politics,rec.travel.europe
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On 25 Oct 2006 06:34:03 -0700, wrote:

PJ O'Donovan wrote:

newspapers such as the
ultra-left Guardian


snip

*PLONK*


"ultra left" tee hee.
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