The era of FORMAL NIGHTS is fading rapidly...

In article . com, Rick
wrote:

The topic of this tread is The Era Of Formal Nights Is Fading. I've
seen that trend for the last few years. Not in any great numbers but
it is fading.

Wrong. The topic of this thread is that the era of Formal Nights is
fading rapidly....

"is Fading rapidly" is different than "is Fading"

I would be happy if a tux or dark suit were not the requested dress on
a Caribbean cruise. But we are not there at the moment. If that time
comes I won't wear a tux.

--
Charles

In article om, Rick
wrote:

Charles, Let me ask you a question? On formal nights when
everyone is all decked out in their finest of formal wear, they return
to their cabins after dinner to change. They have time before the
Bingo game and the shows start. Then they return to the common areas
for the evening in more casual relaxed clothes. Maybe even shorts.
Is that ok? Why?

Why are you asking me if that is okay? Some return to their cabins and
change. Many don't change. Usually people don't change for the theater
or the public lounges.

I think you are misunderstanding my point of view. I am not in favor of
having formal nights on cruises. If I was in charge I would eliminate
formal nights or have it as an option like on NCL. I understand your
pain in dressing in a suit or tux on a cruise. I would rather not. If
there are survey or polls from the cruise line I will tell them that
they should end formal nights. But I am not going to take individual
action on it and dress casual on formal evenings when they are
requesting a suit or a tux. I don't mind if you do take that individual
action. I am not telling you or advising you to wear a tux or a suit.
If a substantial number of people join you, not just a few, then I
might change my dress on formal evenings.

--
Charles

I'm all for separate clases, I'd pay more not sit with the rifraft(and most
seniors would agree!)
"Thumper" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:44:35 -0400, Charles
wrote:

In article . com, Rick
wrote:

I never said you should change the way you are comfortable
dressing. You want to dress in a tux then by all means do it. It was
also cruise tradition to have seperate classes of service, should we go
back to that? Of course not. Why? Because we've evolved from that.

Separate classes were more of an ocean liner tradition than a cruise
vacation tradition but that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Cruise tradition has not evolved from having formal evenings. If it did
evolve from having formal evenings that would be fine with me. But it
has not happened yet. That is why I wear a tux or dark suit. I never
said I wanted to dress in a tux.


A dark suit is not "formal."
Thumper
Becaue 99% of the public doesn't own a Tux in real life or wear
one on any kind of regualr basis. Why should they on a cruise
vacation?

Because it is expected on a cruise vacation to wear a dark suit or tux
several evenings.

"Rick" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Oct 7, 11:53 am, Charles wrote:
Take that up with the cruise lines. Since we are discussing cruises and
what is worn on cruises it is their definition that matters.

Isn't the exact wording...."Tonights Suggested Dress Is"....
It is only a suggestion.

So... as far as the word "suggestion".... guess it all comes down to who's
doing the suggesting.

If it's your wife...or your boss... you going "against" the suggestion?

--Tom

clint wrote:
I'm all for separate clases, I'd pay more not sit with the rifraft(and most
seniors would agree!)


I think most riffraff of all ages would pay more to avoid
sitting with you.

On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:44:40 -0500, "clint"
wrote:

I'm all for separate clases, I'd pay more not sit with the rifraft(and most
seniors would agree!)


Nonsense. You don't know what most seniors would do.
Thumper
"Thumper" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:44:35 -0400, Charles
wrote:

In article . com, Rick
wrote:

I never said you should change the way you are comfortable
dressing. You want to dress in a tux then by all means do it. It was
also cruise tradition to have seperate classes of service, should we go
back to that? Of course not. Why? Because we've evolved from that.

Separate classes were more of an ocean liner tradition than a cruise
vacation tradition but that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Cruise tradition has not evolved from having formal evenings. If it did
evolve from having formal evenings that would be fine with me. But it
has not happened yet. That is why I wear a tux or dark suit. I never
said I wanted to dress in a tux.


A dark suit is not "formal."
Thumper
Becaue 99% of the public doesn't own a Tux in real life or wear
one on any kind of regualr basis. Why should they on a cruise
vacation?

Because it is expected on a cruise vacation to wear a dark suit or tux
several evenings.

"Ike" wrote in message
...

I think the days of "formal nights" are numbered, and the dress code will
be ignored more and more frequently.

My guess... it all comes down to "economics".

When people stop posing for formal night photos... and the cruise lines stop
making money on formal nights... THEN they might consider getting rid of
formal night.

--Tom

Thumper wrote:
On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 15:44:40 -0500, "clint"
wrote:

I'm all for separate clases, I'd pay more not sit with the rifraft(and most
seniors would agree!)


Nonsense. You don't know what most seniors would do.
Thumper



There should be a rule -- CLINT and his COW must wear orange shirts.

Then, I know what most seniors would do...

In article ,
Nonnymus wrote:


The sad result is that I tend to drink less when formal than when
wearing speedos, which accommodate the flask easily.



Because there is nothing in there to .... never mind.

On a less frivolous note, I think we need to consider exactly what
"formal" means. We need to interpret it in today's mindset and not one
of the 1930's. As mentioned by someone else, "formal" in the 1600's
might include pantaloons, wig and other silliness. I live today and not
in the 30's, 60's or even the 90's. I recently bought a $1 DVD that
held 4 1950's B/W horror movies. Watching it a few nights ago, I
remarked to Mrs. Nonny that all the men were wearing jackets and ties-
even when driving along a desert road. They also smoked cigarettes and
the professorial types smoked pipes. Times change, and the days of a
tux or even necktie are doomed, thank goodness.

Today, I doubt if you'd find 1% of men wearing a jacket and tie in any
setting other than some offices during working hours. Heck, you seldom
see men wearing jacket and ties in church. When I first taught in a
college setting, I was required to wear a jacket and tie, but by the
time I taught my last class, I was wearing just a shirt and slacks, and
was overdressed by many standards by then. Likewise, I once was
required to wear a suit in the office, then the dress code moved (I
didn't say "dropped") to a jacket and slacks continually, then jacket
when moving about the office or cafeteria, then just a shirt and tie,
then informal Fridays. . . you get the point.

What in the screaming Heck is the purpose of a necktie, anyway?

Just as I don't wear pantaloons and wig, codpiece with bells (after the
neighbors complained) or smoking jacket, I no longer own a tux and
refuse to rent or wear one. If someone else wants to- that's their
business and I both enjoy and respect it. However, II'm not gonna do it
anymore, and I hope that my meager tip of the hat to formal nights
(shirt, tie and jacket) does not offend any good people. However, the
test of whether my attire is appropriate will be determined by the
greeter as I enter the dining room. If I'm turned away, I'll quietly go
elsewhere but I'm out of the "dressing up" business for good.

Nonny
--
---Nonnymus---
No matter how large your boat,
the person you are talking with will
have a close friend with a larger one.
---Observation by my son