Christmas vs "Holidays"

"Bob Stephens" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:17:54 -0600, pfriedmanNoSpam wrote:


So, ya, The Feast of Saturn might have had something to do with the
Christians picking 25 December, but I would wager that they saw
Mithraism's
festivals and trappings as a more important and tempting target.

Paul

Interesting stuff. Should make for great conversation over the Christmas
dinner table... I'll have to study up. I don't suppose they had any carols
or snazzy holiday jingles?

Bob
(Born again Pagan)

Well, there was "Mithras über Alles " of course.

Paul

"Bob Stephens" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:17:54 -0600, pfriedmanNoSpam wrote:


So, ya, The Feast of Saturn might have had something to do with the
Christians picking 25 December, but I would wager that they saw
Mithraism's
festivals and trappings as a more important and tempting target.

Paul

Interesting stuff. Should make for great conversation over the Christmas
dinner table... I'll have to study up. I don't suppose they had any carols
or snazzy holiday jingles?

Bob
(Born again Pagan)

Well, there was "Mithras über Alles " of course.

Paul

I grew up across the street from Orthodox Jews. When the built their house,
they had one of those convex windows you could sit in. Yep. Largest
Christmas tree in the neighborhood.

???????

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:52:47 GMT, Dillon Pyron wrote:

Christmas is a big holiday in Japan. I've heard that it's becoming
popular in China, too. Has nothing to do with Christ and everything
to do with conspicuous consumption.

China = nouveau-riche

I grew up across the street from Orthodox Jews. When the built their house,
they had one of those convex windows you could sit in. Yep. Largest
Christmas tree in the neighborhood.

???????

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 18:52:47 GMT, Dillon Pyron wrote:

Christmas is a big holiday in Japan. I've heard that it's becoming
popular in China, too. Has nothing to do with Christ and everything
to do with conspicuous consumption.

China = nouveau-riche

pfriedmanNoSpam wrote:

But a terrible misogynist. There is reason to believe that Christianity won
because of its popularity with women -- who were excluded from worshipping
Mithras.

Frying pan, fire...

--
Dirk

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pfriedmanNoSpam wrote:

But a terrible misogynist. There is reason to believe that Christianity won
because of its popularity with women -- who were excluded from worshipping
Mithras.

Frying pan, fire...

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

"Dirk Bruere at Neopax" wrote in message
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Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:

"jsmith" wrote


chipping away at ... Christmas ... substituting ... shopping


I am indeed sick of it. If I hear 'Frosty the Snowman' and
or anything else out of tin-pan alley when I go grocery shopping
I will scream. The commercial crud may force me into going to
the Kosher butcher at Christmas.

But, that's what one gets for trying to get a free ride by
tacking Christmas on the back of Winter Solstice. One always
pays in the end. Was ChristmasSolstice another one of Paul's
idiot ideas or was it Nicea?


Constantine. Well, more accurately Constantine set Jesus's birthday on
December 25th, to compete with pagan Winter Solstice holidays.

Xians don't seem to have any sacred dates of their own so they hijack
those of
whatever pagans lands they invade.

Anyone would think that their most sacred time of year, when JC rose from
the
dead, would not be named after the Goddess of fertility Oestre with her
symbols
the egg and rabbit.

--
Dirk

The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millenium
http://www.theconsensus.org

"Phyllis" wrote in message
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Since December 25th is celebrated as Christmas, those who don't believe
in it or in celebrating it should not accept the day off and the holiday
pay that goes with it.


Nonsense. There are any number of holidays that pre-date Christ that can
and are celibrated by people all over the globe during the winter solstice.
We certainly don't need your christ on a crutch to take a day off or receive
holiday pay.

A&T wrote:
We aren't sure when Christ was born, but we celebrate in on December 25.

I wish the people who still believe that Christ was born (whenever it
was)
would revolt against the people trying to take it away from us.

Tricia

"jsmith" wrote in message
news:1103081068.f4c58340a6a4fb6c079c5594718575bc@s onicnews...

The secularists have been chipping away at the word Christmas for a
number
of years now and are substituting irrelevant (religious ??) concoctions
to
diminish the value of the celebration of the birth of Christ. Isn't it

time

we begin boycotting those merchants who in their TV advertising are
exploiting the Christmas tradition yet not acknowledging that this is

truly

the Christmas season. The code word "holiday" season is coming into
increasing use in an effort to minimize the influence the Truths that
were
taught by the Prince of Peace.

In article , Karen Segboer
wrote:

You're both cross-posting AND posting OT without any warning in the
"Subject" line. I'm beginning to think you're either very new to
Usenet or just an annoying new troll. How lucky we are here on rtc if
the latter's the case.

Off-topic crossposting to three unrelated newsgroups is a classic troll
tactic. It is a troll.

--
Charles

Will never say happy holiday's,to us it is MERRY CHRISTMAS,and a
HAPPY,AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR,You have nothing if you do not have your
health.
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