Go figure... (air fares puzzlement)

Hatunen wrote:

I doubt it. The train fare from Tucson to NYC is exorbitant,

Sorry, I thought I had seen PHL instead of PHX. Philadelphia to New York
is very doable by train.

, I flew JetBlue or somesuch to NY and then BA to London
or Paris? Of course, there would be direct NYC-PAR flights in any
case.

Depending on pricing you could get a better deal that way. You may also
wish to look at other BA gateways to compare pricing. The disadvantage
is that flying jetblue or southwest is that they don't interline with
BA, so they are considered separate journeys (pickup your baggage at
connecting airport and you much check in at BA desks there and be there
2 hours in advance, and connections not garanteed).


Such convoluted routing will often be advantageous if BA announces a
serious seat sale at one city, but not your own city.

Alan S wrote:

Why can't he just not take the excess flights he doesn't need? Book to
Paris via London, but miss the next leg and it's return, rejoining the
final flight?

When you miss a leg, the rest of your reservation risks being
unceremoniously cancelled and you have no recourse to get it back.

So if he buys a ticket to paris to save money, he need to fly all the
way to/from paris.

One thing he could do if he intends to visit both cities is to buy an
open jaw.

PHX-LHR and CDG-PHX for instance.

This way, he would pay $900/2 (PHX-LHR) + $600/2 (CDG-PHX)
or roughly :$750. Such combos often can't be done on the dumbed down web
sites and need to be purchased directly from airline or through a travel
agent if the web site won't let you.

I know that Virgin Atlantic has just begun to offer code-sharing on
eurostar (meaning they will sell you a combined flight to LHR + eurostar
to any eurostar destination.

hERE WE GO WITH THE USA !!!

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" a écrit dans le
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John Doe wrote:
Hatunen wrote:

What kind of sense does that make, $240 less to Paris than to LHR
using the exact same PHX-LHR flights???

It is called price fixing or competition, whatever way you want to call
it.

If a competing airline offers $600 fares to Paris, then British Airways
will also offer $600 fares to Paris.

If load factors on those 2 flights are low (as they would be in
October), then BA can afford to sell very cheap tickets to fill what
would otherwise be empty seats. If competitors prices to London are $900
then BA will sell your london flight at $900.

What you could do is fly BA to paris, then take eurostar back to london
:-)


Generally, those tricks are done by airlines who are in trouble (it
indicates their fare structure is not working properly whgich is partly
why the airline is in trouble).

BA is on record stating that USA-London is their cash cow. So they try
to milk customers for everything they've got. And this is one reason
governments are weary of allowing the AA/BA marriage without substantial
release of LHR slots to allow more airlines to do USA-LHR.

Have you tried BA from other cities in the USA to see if it would be
cheaper ? You could take the train to NYC and fly BA from JFK. Would
that be cheaper ?

I'm not sure any savings would be worth the inconvenience of a train trip
from Phoenix AZ to NYC! (It's about 3/4 of the distance across a VERY
large continent.)

On Aug 27, 9:38*pm, Hatunen wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT), meat n 2 veg



wrote:
On Aug 27, 7:20*pm, Hatunen wrote:
I was giving some thought to flyig to England in a few months,
and as a British Air club member I decided to look for some
typical fares on BA.

What I found was a total return fare of $923.37 PHX-LHR for 20
Oct outbound and 2 Nov return on flights BA 288 and BA 289,
respectively.

So I idly thought maybe I'll check fares to Paris as well on
those dates. What I got was a total fare of $682.80 PHX-LHR-CDG
on flights BA 288 and BA 316 outbound and BA 303 and BA289
return.

What kind of sense does that make, $240 less to Paris than to LHR
using the exact same PHX-LHR flights???

My brane hertz.

how much was one-way ?

$1336

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* ** * * * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * * * *
* ** My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

they still do that **** too !

On Aug 27, 7:20*pm, Hatunen wrote:
I was giving some thought to flyig to England in a few months,
and as a British Air club member I decided to look for some
typical fares on BA.

What I found was a total return fare of $923.37 PHX-LHR for 20
Oct outbound and 2 Nov return on flights BA 288 and BA 289,
respectively.

So I idly thought maybe I'll check fares to Paris as well on
those dates. What I got was a total fare of $682.80 PHX-LHR-CDG
on flights BA 288 and BA 316 outbound and BA 303 and BA289
return.

What kind of sense does that make, $240 less to Paris than to LHR
using the exact same PHX-LHR flights???

My brane hertz.

--
* ************** DAVE HATUNEN ) *************
* ** * * * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow * * * * *
* ** My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *

http://www.ebookers.com/flights/BRIT...KS20001&strf=3

London (LHR) Phoenix (PHX) 8 Sep 2009 to 30 Oct 2009
British Airways £389.00

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:23:30 +0100, (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

Hatunen wrote:

I was giving some thought to flyig to England in a few months,
and as a British Air club member I decided to look for some
typical fares on BA.

What I found was a total return fare of $923.37 PHX-LHR for 20
Oct outbound and 2 Nov return on flights BA 288 and BA 289,
respectively.

So I idly thought maybe I'll check fares to Paris as well on
those dates. What I got was a total fare of $682.80 PHX-LHR-CDG
on flights BA 288 and BA 316 outbound and BA 303 and BA289
return.

What kind of sense does that make, $240 less to Paris than to LHR
using the exact same PHX-LHR flights???

My brane hertz.

Dave, this comes up a lot in the newsgroups. It's common practice I'm
afraid.

BMI Baby still charges for airport taxes at Schiphol. These taxes were
abolished
on July 1 2009.

"Airport taxes" is LLC speak for "the charge that the local operator makes
for checking in (etc) a pax". It is not a tax, it is a fee for service and
I doubt that any airport has abolished them. (Yes I know that NL has
abolished their *government* departure tax, or whatever it's called)

tim

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:48:52 +0100, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname
here.me.uk wrote:


"Hatunen" wrote in message
news

I was giving some thought to flyig to England in a few months,
and as a British Air club member I decided to look for some
typical fares on BA.

What I found was a total return fare of $923.37 PHX-LHR for 20
Oct outbound and 2 Nov return on flights BA 288 and BA 289,
respectively.

So I idly thought maybe I'll check fares to Paris as well on
those dates. What I got was a total fare of $682.80 PHX-LHR-CDG
on flights BA 288 and BA 316 outbound and BA 303 and BA289
return.

What kind of sense does that make, $240 less to Paris than to LHR
using the exact same PHX-LHR flights???

The same seat in the same aircraft can have up to 20 different prices,
depending upon what sort of ticket you buy, where you buy it from, how
long
before the flight you buy and how many people have bought tickets before
you. A couple I met a few years ago at Toulouse had paid prices for the
same
flight that differed by £60, because she had bought hers online in the
morning and he had not bought his until he got home in the evening, by
which
time the prices had gone up.

Fly from Toulouse to Amsterdam and the odds are that the person sitting
next to
you hasn't paid anything for the trip.

Yes they have!

(And I know why your saying that they haven't and I don't agree with your
logic)

tim

"Hatunen" wrote in message
news

I was giving some thought to flyig to England in a few months,
and as a British Air club member I decided to look for some
typical fares on BA.

What I found was a total return fare of $923.37 PHX-LHR for 20
Oct outbound and 2 Nov return on flights BA 288 and BA 289,
respectively.

So I idly thought maybe I'll check fares to Paris as well on
those dates. What I got was a total fare of $682.80 PHX-LHR-CDG
on flights BA 288 and BA 316 outbound and BA 303 and BA289
return.

Does the Paris fare allow a stop-over in London?

--
Andy

tim..... wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:48:52 +0100, "nightjar" cpb@insert my surname
here.me.uk wrote:

"Hatunen" wrote in message
news I was giving some thought to flyig to England in a few months,
and as a British Air club member I decided to look for some
typical fares on BA.

What I found was a total return fare of $923.37 PHX-LHR for 20
Oct outbound and 2 Nov return on flights BA 288 and BA 289,
respectively.

So I idly thought maybe I'll check fares to Paris as well on
those dates. What I got was a total fare of $682.80 PHX-LHR-CDG
on flights BA 288 and BA 316 outbound and BA 303 and BA289
return.

What kind of sense does that make, $240 less to Paris than to LHR
using the exact same PHX-LHR flights???
The same seat in the same aircraft can have up to 20 different prices,
depending upon what sort of ticket you buy, where you buy it from, how
long
before the flight you buy and how many people have bought tickets before
you. A couple I met a few years ago at Toulouse had paid prices for the
same
flight that differed by £60, because she had bought hers online in the
morning and he had not bought his until he got home in the evening, by
which
time the prices had gone up.
Fly from Toulouse to Amsterdam and the odds are that the person sitting
next to
you hasn't paid anything for the trip.

Yes they have!

(And I know why your saying that they haven't and I don't agree with your
logic)

tim



Come on then, let us in on the secret-or-not.


M
http://www.cannes-or-bust.com/

Response to this thread from my North Korean colleague,
Dr. Tung Inn Cheeek:

"Costs considerably more to fly, e.g., PHX-LHR than
PHX-LHR-CDG because making any connection through
LHR is such a horrible experience (endless walks, jammed
bus rides, multiple unfriendly jammed security checks) that
many people simply won't book any route that transits
through LHR. If your destination is LHR, you're stuck
with landing there; if it's elsewhere, you have to be
bribed to transit LHR en route."