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American Airlines discloses personal data
Another one caught with their pants down. You'd think the airline would have
learned from other airline's experienced and decide to protect passenger privacy. http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040409/airli...privacy_1.html ## American Air: Passenger Data Disclosed Friday April 9, 9:20 pm ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - American Airlines' passenger names and travel itineraries were released to four research companies vying for contracts with the U.S. Transportation Security Administration, the airline disclosed on Friday. ## 1.2 million reservation records were released to a company which in turn released it to 4 other research companies. |
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American Airlines discloses personal data
Maybe I'm just missing something, but I don't get what the big deal is? I'm
sure some Scumbag-ACLU-Card-Carrying-lawyer somewhere is salivating. Matt "nobody" wrote in message ... Another one caught with their pants down. You'd think the airline would have learned from other airline's experienced and decide to protect passenger privacy. http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040409/airli...privacy_1.html ## American Air: Passenger Data Disclosed Friday April 9, 9:20 pm ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - American Airlines' passenger names and travel itineraries were released to four research companies vying for contracts with the U.S. Transportation Security Administration, the airline disclosed on Friday. ## 1.2 million reservation records were released to a company which in turn released it to 4 other research companies. |
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American Airlines discloses personal data
Matt wrote:
Maybe I'm just missing something, but I don't get what the big deal is? I'm sure some Scumbag-ACLU-Card-Carrying-lawyer somewhere is salivating. It means that your government is unable to garantee data security. This type of leak has been uncovered 3 times already, how many times has it actually occured ? Remember that they want more than name and flight. They want your credit card info so that they can match your other expenses (they have already commandeered hotel reservation information for instance). They also know your FF number, meal preferences, and whith whom you are travelling. So if you have a mistress, make sure she travels on a totally separate reservation paid with a different credit card, otherwise the government will know and your real wive may end up with the data at her place of work. It also means that if you ask for a mulsim meal, the government may put you on a watch list where all our trasactions are examined because they'll suspect you are helping terrorists. Americans should rebel and all pay cash for their airline tickets. They'd be forced to drop that silly "if you pay cash, you are given the 3rd treatment search" policies since there is no way they could do it for all passengers, and the government would then lack any usable data to cross match your airline purchase with everything else. |
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American Airlines discloses personal data
Matt wrote:
Maybe I'm just missing something, but I don't get what the big deal is? I'm sure some Scumbag-ACLU-Card-Carrying-lawyer somewhere is salivating. The only people that need access to the data I give the airline are the people at the airline that need to process it to get me on the flight, and the credit card people that need to have their bill paid. The government and would be government bidders are not entitled to it. Sure, it might help in the fight against terrorism, so would having an agent tailing every citizen. Thousands of people die every year in the US from automobile accidents caused by drunk driver's. Eliminating alcohol and/or automobiles would fix that problem. What are you willing to give up for "safety". The biggest threat to homeland security is Homeland Security. |
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American Airlines discloses personal data
mtravelkay wrote:
The only people that need access to the data I give the airline are the people at the airline that need to process it to get me on the flight, and the credit card people that need to have their bill paid. More importantly, the credit card people don't get your full reservation details, just the airline name/location, your identification including card number (and possibly address/telephone number) and the amount. And if you are using multiple credit cards, each credit card company see only their transactions. But the bush regime gets to link both credit cards because they'll see all your personal information and easily link all your credit card with the FF number for instance. |
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American Airlines discloses personal data
obody wrote: mtravelkay wrote: The only people that need access to the data I give the airline are the people at the airline that need to process it to get me on the flight, and the credit card people that need to have their bill paid. More importantly, the credit card people don't get your full reservation details, just the airline name/location, your identification including card number (and possibly address/telephone number) and the amount. And if you are using multiple credit cards, each credit card company see only their transactions. But the bush regime gets to link both credit cards because they'll see all your personal information and easily link all your credit card with the FF number for instance. I also see the ticket number on my AMEX bills, but it does make sense to tie the charge to a ticket number. However, the information in AA's case didn't go directly to the government, but that is the general plan of the current administration. The government doesn't have a right to gather data on all of its citizens for the purpose of finding someone that might commit a crime. They are free to look at my records if they have a reasonable reason to suspect me of criminal activity. |
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American Airlines discloses personal data
I still don't get it. Why would you care if the government or some sub
contractor knows that you flew from city X to city Y on date Z? Not like they are giving out your credit card #s or Social Security numbers. It's just a travel itinerary. Of course there are limits on what kind of personal information I want being spread around.....so save the weak slippery slope argument. So, how exactly does it harm you if someone knows or keeps track of your travel itinerary? Matt "mtravelkay" wrote in message om... Matt wrote: Maybe I'm just missing something, but I don't get what the big deal is? I'm sure some Scumbag-ACLU-Card-Carrying-lawyer somewhere is salivating. The only people that need access to the data I give the airline are the people at the airline that need to process it to get me on the flight, and the credit card people that need to have their bill paid. The government and would be government bidders are not entitled to it. Sure, it might help in the fight against terrorism, so would having an agent tailing every citizen. Thousands of people die every year in the US from automobile accidents caused by drunk driver's. Eliminating alcohol and/or automobiles would fix that problem. What are you willing to give up for "safety". The biggest threat to homeland security is Homeland Security. |
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American Airlines discloses personal data
Matt wrote:
I still don't get it. Why would you care if the government or some sub contractor knows that you flew from city X to city Y on date Z? Not like they are giving out your credit card #s or Social Security numbers. It's just a travel itinerary. Of course there are limits on what kind of personal information I want being spread around.....so save the weak slippery slope argument. So, how exactly does it harm you if someone knows or keeps track of your travel itinerary? Why does the government need to know my travel itinerary in advance of me being suspected of a crime? Perhaps I don't want them to know I have a habit of flying to cities where pro or anti fill in the blank meetings are being held. Maybe I don't want them to know that every 4 years I always fly to the city of the fill in the blank National Convention is being held, during the same time period of the convention. After all, they might draw the conclusion that I belong to the fill in name Party. They don't need to know what library books I check out, or what foreign languages I am learning. |
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American Airlines discloses personal data
"nobody" wrote in message ... Matt wrote: Maybe I'm just missing something, but I don't get what the big deal is? I'm sure some Scumbag-ACLU-Card-Carrying-lawyer somewhere is salivating. It means that your government is unable to garantee data security. This type of leak has been uncovered 3 times already, how many times has it actually occured ? Did you even read the article? The government had nothing to do with it. Duh. Remember that they want more than name and flight. They want your credit card info so that they can match your other expenses (they have already commandeered hotel reservation information for instance). They also know your FF number, meal preferences, and whith whom you are travelling. Again, you obviously didn't even bother to read the article because you're just making stuff up that wasn't even in the article. So if you have a mistress, make sure she travels on a totally separate reservation paid with a different credit card, otherwise the government will know and your real wive may end up with the data at her place of work. Now that's really a stretch. First of all, if your wife is going to find out, it's going to be from the credit card statement that gets MAILED TO YOUR HOUSE!!! Second, do you think anyone in the government really cares enough about your relationship with your wife that they would inform her about your misdeeds? Is this really the worst worse-case-scenario you can come up with? It also means that if you ask for a mulsim meal, the government may put you on a watch list where all our trasactions are examined because they'll suspect you are helping terrorists. Do they even have Muslim Meals?? Again, the article clearly states that the only data released was passenger name and itenerary. Even if they did release information on what type of meals were ordered, who cares? The government is not going to put every Muslim in the United States on a watch list. Americans should rebel and all pay cash for their airline tickets. They'd be forced to drop that silly "if you pay cash, you are given the 3rd treatment search" policies since there is no way they could do it for all passengers, and the government would then lack any usable data to cross match your airline purchase with everything else. You still haven't provided one rational reason how an airline releasing a passengers name and itenerary can harm you. Also, I'm not a lawyer, but I seriously doubt the kind of information that was released is protected under privacy laws. Matt |
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American Airlines discloses personal data
"mtravelkay" wrote in message om... Matt wrote: I still don't get it. Why would you care if the government or some sub contractor knows that you flew from city X to city Y on date Z? Not like they are giving out your credit card #s or Social Security numbers. It's just a travel itinerary. Of course there are limits on what kind of personal information I want being spread around.....so save the weak slippery slope argument. So, how exactly does it harm you if someone knows or keeps track of your travel itinerary? Why does the government need to know my travel itinerary in advance of me being suspected of a crime? I don't have a problem with the government and airlines using an itenerary and other factors to determine if a passenger should get extra screening or not. If a passenger shows up at the Beirut Airport and pays cash for a one way ticket to Washington DC, then I'm sorry, but that guy should get some extra screening. Obviously you don't agree, so we will just have to disagree on that point. Perhaps I don't want them to know I have a habit of flying to cities where pro or anti fill in the blank meetings are being held. Maybe I don't want them to know that every 4 years I always fly to the city of the fill in the blank National Convention is being held, during the same time period of the convention. After all, they might draw the conclusion that I belong to the fill in name Party. They don't need to know what library books I check out, or what foreign languages I am learning. Seriously......are you really truly worried about that happening to you?? Matt |
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