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"Americans not getting bang for buck in Europe"
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:24:50 -0800, Go Fig wrote:
In article , Keith Anderson wrote: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:10:55 -0000, "nick" wrote: "Keith Anderson" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:29:59 -0600, Olivers wrote: Keith Anderson muttered.... Surprised you don't like the UK. It has a Prime Minister with his head right up a right-wing president's arse, who's a champion of global corporatism, who's dismantling the welfare state and privatising everything............no wonder there are a load of surly people around. ....and you want to replace him with a Tory? No (or from the sentiments which flow from your keyboard, some disenfranchised former Eastern European bureaucrat with genuinely authoritarian socialist perspective) I'd actually settle for a democratic socialist. I'm a big fan of Tony Benn. Socialism aint very democratic After all its the first stage of communism, the final stage being dictatorship. OK, change the words to Social Democracy - I'll settle for that. Served the UK pretty well from 1945 to the time Thatcher was elected. Served other countries in Europe pretty well too. Till the bill for years and years of foregone infrastructure investment came due.... The day is yet to come where the privatisers invest in anything. At the moment, all they're interested in doing is lining their fatcat pockets. There was a version of it under Franklin D Roosevelt as well. Much prefer it to global corporatism which is Robin Hood in reverse - rob the poor to feed the rich. Until the ever widening gap between rich and poor narrows, I still think global corporatism sucks. |
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"Americans not getting bang for buck in Europe"
On 8/2/04 8:24 pm, in article , "Go Fig"
wrote: In article , Keith Anderson wrote: [...] OK, change the words to Social Democracy - I'll settle for that. Served the UK pretty well from 1945 to the time Thatcher was elected. Served other countries in Europe pretty well too. Till the bill for years and years of foregone infrastructure investment came due.... Have you travelled by rail in the UK lately? Seen the infrastructure investment that accompanied privatisation? J; |
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nick wrote:
You've obviously never returned to LHR then. They never stop anyone, just stand there chatting. They stop me almost every time, frequently spending half an hour or longer to read my letters and sniff my socks. Noplace else in the world gives me a second look. miguel -- Hundreds of travel photos from around the world: http://travel.u.nu/ |
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"Americans not getting bang for buck in Europe"
In article , Keith Anderson
wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:24:50 -0800, Go Fig wrote: In article , Keith Anderson wrote: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:10:55 -0000, "nick" wrote: "Keith Anderson" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:29:59 -0600, Olivers wrote: Keith Anderson muttered.... Surprised you don't like the UK. It has a Prime Minister with his head right up a right-wing president's arse, who's a champion of global corporatism, who's dismantling the welfare state and privatising everything............no wonder there are a load of surly people around. ....and you want to replace him with a Tory? No (or from the sentiments which flow from your keyboard, some disenfranchised former Eastern European bureaucrat with genuinely authoritarian socialist perspective) I'd actually settle for a democratic socialist. I'm a big fan of Tony Benn. Socialism aint very democratic After all its the first stage of communism, the final stage being dictatorship. OK, change the words to Social Democracy - I'll settle for that. Served the UK pretty well from 1945 to the time Thatcher was elected. Served other countries in Europe pretty well too. Till the bill for years and years of foregone infrastructure investment came due.... The day is yet to come where the privatisers invest in anything. At the moment, all they're interested in doing is lining their fatcat pockets. Do you own a cell phone ? jay Sun Feb 08, 2004 |
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nightjar .uk.com wrote:
Up to a value of £145, that is true. Over that, you are liable to pay UK import duty and VAT, but you should also be able to claim back any taxes you paid in the USA when you export the goods. Gregory Morrow wrote: No. The US does not have VAT. The only difference between VAT and sales taxes are the amount of the tax (VAT tends to be higher) and when it is collected (point of sale vs as the product moves along). In either case there is significant tax. FFM |
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"Americans not getting bang for buck in Europe"
On 8/02/04 19:08, in article ,
"nick" wrote: Agree about London. but add New York to that list. esp. JFK airport. "PJ O'Donovan" wrote in message om... Earl Evleth wrote in message ... On 7/02/04 17:42, in article , "Sjoerd" wrote: The day AA flight from Boston to London was only about a quarter filled. This is a great flight, less than 6 hours and one does not lose a night`s sleep. Earl Best way to get to Europe from the states. We usually layover at London airport hotel, then fly to continent next morning. No reason to spend any time in London IMO, Lousy weather, lousy food, lousy overpriced accommodations with a high incidence of surly unhappy people. I avoid it as I try to avoid Newark NJ here for the same reasons. Also try to avoid anywhere in CA where the weather can be OK but the hi incidence of surly or crazy people in this land of fruits and nuts coupled with exhorbitant prices for the discomfort of being there dictates avoidance for this world traveller. London has great book stores, our main reason go passing through. For instance, "Murder One" on Charing Cross Road is the best all around crime book store we have ran into anywhere. Foyles, also on Charing Cross is a great book store, excellent selection in the social sciences. The Chemistry section (my profession before retiring) is excellent although they have cut back on higher level books, mostly text books now. But it is 30 or so feet of Chemistry books. Barns and Noble it ain't. We found a very good Indian restaurant nearby and otherwise make do with the food problem. One new impression I have gathered is that British politicians are more articulate then their American counterparts. I think it has to do with the dynamics of their debates in the Parliament. I watched on panel debate on BBC and found both sides stated their positions quite clearly. Whatever Blair is he is more articulate than Bush, for instance. I think US politicians are trained to give speeches not to getting into a verbal slugging match with an opponent. US Presidential debate make the candidates look like fools (the French have the same problem in this regard). On British TV news on Friday, they had a report on a fence who sold books out of his van, he had thieves shop lifting and supplying him. I can`t imagine and organized book stealing gang in the US! Anyway, the book stores are great. I think we spent about $500 on book purchase over the last two weeks in England and the US, but London is best. Earl As for weather, "there will always be an England, and it will be wet"! Earl |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 12:32:40 -0800, Go Fig wrote:
In article , Keith Anderson wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:24:50 -0800, Go Fig wrote: In article , Keith Anderson wrote: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:10:55 -0000, "nick" wrote: "Keith Anderson" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:29:59 -0600, Olivers wrote: Keith Anderson muttered.... Surprised you don't like the UK. It has a Prime Minister with his head right up a right-wing president's arse, who's a champion of global corporatism, who's dismantling the welfare state and privatising everything............no wonder there are a load of surly people around. ....and you want to replace him with a Tory? No (or from the sentiments which flow from your keyboard, some disenfranchised former Eastern European bureaucrat with genuinely authoritarian socialist perspective) I'd actually settle for a democratic socialist. I'm a big fan of Tony Benn. Socialism aint very democratic After all its the first stage of communism, the final stage being dictatorship. OK, change the words to Social Democracy - I'll settle for that. Served the UK pretty well from 1945 to the time Thatcher was elected. Served other countries in Europe pretty well too. Till the bill for years and years of foregone infrastructure investment came due.... The day is yet to come where the privatisers invest in anything. At the moment, all they're interested in doing is lining their fatcat pockets. Do you own a cell phone ? Scraping the barrel, aren't you? Landlines (i/c fibre optic network) laid down by BT when a public corporation. Meantime we've started to get power cuts, the "competition" in gas is a joke (and now prices are creeping up as they are with electricity) water prices are soon to rise, Capita screws up the criminal records system, Jarvis cuts corners on rail maintenance (and kills people) and constructs schools that fall to bits in a couple of years (and bankrupts its sub-contractors by not paying them) - and Railtrack made such a balls-up of the rail infrastructure they've been replaced by Network Rail - govt. owned and not for profit................. sure, we have masts sprouting everywhere and an increase in inane loud--mouthed conversations in public places. Your "brave new world" is heartily detested by many in the UK. We don't all swallow the corporatist horse****. Many of us have been downsized, outsourced, de-skilled or had our ****ing jobs exported to India. |
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"Americans not getting bang for buck in Europe"
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 17:34:24 -0000, "nick" wrote:
total and utter bull****. clothes are much cheaper in US than UK, levi jeans are $26-30, uk they are $45-70, So Levi Jeans are much cheaper in the US than the UK, that doesn't mean clothes are. Jeans seem to cost 3quid lots of places these days - okay that's not levi's but we don't know that Levi carries the same brand in the US. I bought a watch for $40, reduced from $65. saw it in a uk shop, for £65. that's over $100! Right, until of course you see it next week reduced to 20quid say... I see this a lot, importers just switch $ for £ and charge us that. And people pay it. Then they obviously don't think it's bad value, but I also thing that's complete rubbish, especially as most of this stuff isn't being imported from the US... Jim. |
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"Americans not getting bang for buck in Europe"
In article , Keith Anderson
wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 12:32:40 -0800, Go Fig wrote: In article , Keith Anderson wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:24:50 -0800, Go Fig wrote: In article , Keith Anderson wrote: On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 18:10:55 -0000, "nick" wrote: "Keith Anderson" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 09:29:59 -0600, Olivers wrote: Keith Anderson muttered.... Surprised you don't like the UK. It has a Prime Minister with his head right up a right-wing president's arse, who's a champion of global corporatism, who's dismantling the welfare state and privatising everything............no wonder there are a load of surly people around. ....and you want to replace him with a Tory? No (or from the sentiments which flow from your keyboard, some disenfranchised former Eastern European bureaucrat with genuinely authoritarian socialist perspective) I'd actually settle for a democratic socialist. I'm a big fan of Tony Benn. Socialism aint very democratic After all its the first stage of communism, the final stage being dictatorship. OK, change the words to Social Democracy - I'll settle for that. Served the UK pretty well from 1945 to the time Thatcher was elected. Served other countries in Europe pretty well too. Till the bill for years and years of foregone infrastructure investment came due.... The day is yet to come where the privatisers invest in anything. At the moment, all they're interested in doing is lining their fatcat pockets. Do you own a cell phone ? Scraping the barrel, aren't you? Landlines (i/c fibre optic network) laid down by BT when a public corporation. Meantime we've started to get power cuts, the "competition" in gas is a joke (and now prices are creeping up as they are with electricity) Isn't that it, we don't want to pay the real costs for these things, after years and years of meaty subsidies ? jay Sun Feb 08, 2004 water prices are soon to rise, Capita screws up the criminal records system, Jarvis cuts corners on rail maintenance (and kills people) and constructs schools that fall to bits in a couple of years (and bankrupts its sub-contractors by not paying them) - and Railtrack made such a balls-up of the rail infrastructure they've been replaced by Network Rail - govt. owned and not for profit................. sure, we have masts sprouting everywhere and an increase in inane loud--mouthed conversations in public places. Your "brave new world" is heartily detested by many in the UK. We don't all swallow the corporatist horse****. Many of us have been downsized, outsourced, de-skilled or had our ****ing jobs exported to India. |
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