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CyberFlying???
Hello all. Long time since I've been on RTA. Mostly since I don't really fly anymore.
Different priorities in life now. So I've been doing the next best thing. :-) I cannot believe the amount of video footage I've found recently on YouTube of aircraft take offs/landings, engine starts etc. and especially from *inside* the aircraft. I mean, this is some really good stuff... HD720p footage usually from BC, pointed right out a window just forward of the engine with excellent sound, quite like I remember it. I guess my question is, how is it even possible to acquire such footage from inside the aircraft given the prohibition on "portable electronic devices" below 10,000ft? Perhaps, it may have been "overlooked" in the earlier days of "heightened security awareness," but I'm really wondering how anyone could get away with it today? Even if permission were to be granted by the captain or crew, the passengers wouldn't necessarily know that and might raise a ruckus on their own... leaving the crew to clean up. "Unofficially," I thank those who take such good footage, as it's all the flying I do these days (Cyberflying), but I just wonder how it's even possible... ____________________________________________ Regards, Arnold |
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CyberFlying???
In message someone claiming
to be mag3 typed: I guess my question is, how is it even possible to acquire such footage from inside the aircraft given the prohibition on "portable electronic devices" below 10,000ft? Perhaps, it may have been "overlooked" in the earlier days of "heightened security awareness," but I'm really wondering how anyone could get away with it today? Even if permission were to be granted by the captain or crew, the passengers wouldn't necessarily know that and might raise a ruckus on their own... leaving the crew to clean up. The short answer is that electronics aren't a threat and everyone knows it. Nobody cares if you use a phone or similar on the ground, on the runway, during takeoff/landing or anywhere else. -- It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. |
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CyberFlying???
On 10/21/2011 06:41 AM, DevilsPGD wrote:
In someone claiming to be typed: I guess my question is, how is it even possible to acquire such footage from inside the aircraft given the prohibition on "portable electronic devices" below 10,000ft? Perhaps, it may have been "overlooked" in the earlier days of "heightened security awareness," but I'm really wondering how anyone could get away with it today? Even if permission were to be granted by the captain or crew, the passengers wouldn't necessarily know that and might raise a ruckus on their own... leaving the crew to clean up. The short answer is that electronics aren't a threat and everyone knows it. Nobody cares if you use a phone or similar on the ground, on the runway, during takeoff/landing or anywhere else. Cell phones do generate a lot of electronic RFC noise, so I can understand why they are not allowed. What annoys me is being forbidden to turn on a GPS receiver in flight. This is a totally passive electronic device. AFA not being a threat, the question is, are devices certified as not being a threat? As long as there is no certification, that's the end of the story. |
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CyberFlying???
In message someone claiming to be Tom
P typed: On 10/21/2011 06:41 AM, DevilsPGD wrote: In someone claiming to be typed: I guess my question is, how is it even possible to acquire such footage from inside the aircraft given the prohibition on "portable electronic devices" below 10,000ft? Perhaps, it may have been "overlooked" in the earlier days of "heightened security awareness," but I'm really wondering how anyone could get away with it today? Even if permission were to be granted by the captain or crew, the passengers wouldn't necessarily know that and might raise a ruckus on their own... leaving the crew to clean up. The short answer is that electronics aren't a threat and everyone knows it. Nobody cares if you use a phone or similar on the ground, on the runway, during takeoff/landing or anywhere else. Cell phones do generate a lot of electronic RFC noise, so I can understand why they are not allowed. What annoys me is being forbidden to turn on a GPS receiver in flight. This is a totally passive electronic device. AFA not being a threat, the question is, are devices certified as not being a threat? As long as there is no certification, that's the end of the story. Then why are you allowed to use many electronic devices during the flight, including those that transmit and receive (on some flights)? Do all onboard electronics suddenly become certified? If there was even a chance cell phones, laptops, cameras, etc could cause operational or safety issues with the flight, do you think they'd focus on finding water and hand lotion or dangerous electronics? -- It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. |
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CyberFlying???
DevilsPGD writes:
Then why are you allowed to use many electronic devices during the flight, including those that transmit and receive (on some flights)? Do all onboard electronics suddenly become certified? Technically, all portable devices are prohibited for the entire flight. However, the FAA has admitted that this is overkill in its Advisory Circular, but it hasn't actually changed the law. The AC gives airlines a wedge to partially ignore the law, and some may go even further than that. Electronic gadgets have never really been a threat to aircraft, and they definitely aren't today. If there was even a chance cell phones, laptops, cameras, etc could cause operational or safety issues with the flight, do you think they'd focus on finding water and hand lotion or dangerous electronics? Two different agencies. |
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CyberFlying???
Wolfgang Schwanke writes:
No they're not. Yes, they are. Read the regulation. The only exceptions made by the regulation are hearing aids, portable voice recorders, heart pacemakers, and electric shavers. I've already provided the references to the regulations in question. Look them up. AFAICT airlines prohibit electronic devices during takeoff and landing, but during cruise you may use them. I've already explained why this happens--it is largely due to an Advisory Circular issued by the FAA. I gave the reference. Look it up. Mobile phones can be used in flight mode, which translates to all transmitting functions (typically GSM, bluetooth, WLAN) off. Yes, but a phone in that mode is not a cell phone in the context of the FCC regulation, so it is permitted. American regulations are immaterial for most of the world. Then why are you arguing about them? |
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In message someone claiming to be Wolfgang
Schwanke typed: Mxsmanic wrote in : DevilsPGD writes: Then why are you allowed to use many electronic devices during the flight, including those that transmit and receive (on some flights)? Do all onboard electronics suddenly become certified? Technically, all portable devices are prohibited for the entire flight. No they're not. AFAICT airlines prohibit electronic devices during takeoff and landing, but during cruise you may use them. Mobile phones can be used in flight mode, which translates to all transmitting functions (typically GSM, bluetooth, WLAN) off. This doesn't apply either on a number of flights (think in-flight wifi, which by definition requires wireless transmission and reception) -- It's always darkest before dawn. So if you're going to steal your neighbor's newspaper, that's the time to do it. |
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Using electronic devices during take-off and landing (was:CyberFlying???)
Tom P wrote:
What annoys me is being forbidden to turn on a GPS receiver in flight. I've never let any such rule stop me from using my GPS. Or my AM/FM radio. There's really no AM reception possible inside the plane, but I've listened to many FM stations while crusing at 35k feet. Most people (including FA's) can't tell the difference between an FM radio and an MP3 player (and some devices are MP3 and FM radios). AFA not being a threat, the question is, are devices certified as not being a threat? As long as there is no certification, that's the end of the story. The embargo on electronic devices during take-off and landing is bull****. We all know that prohibition is there to remove a possible source of interference or lack-of-attention between the crew and passengers in cases of emergency (which are more relavent during taxi/takeoff/landing than during other phases of the flight). I guess the theory goes that if you're playing with and focused on your electronic gadget in your lap, or if you're wearing headphones connected to your own audio device, then your attention will not be on the crew if they need you do to something or act quickly in an emergency situation. They don't really want to say that's the reason, so they invent this bogus bull**** reason that your electronic device will interfere with the control and navigation systems of the plane. They seem so anal about it that you wonder why they don't force you to take the battery out of your wrist watch for christ sakes. The prohibition against recieving devices (radio's and hand-held TV's - remember those?) is really to keep the passengers in the dark about external world events during the flight. You can keep better control of the cattle - er I mean the passengers - if they don't know and get worked up about what's happening elsewhere in the world. But I love using my GPS while on flights. It tells me if we're going into a holding pattern, or which runway we're lining up for, and gives me a good ETA to know if I've got to hussle for my connecting flight. I know what cities I'm passing over, and what actual route we're taking (is it a straight line? Frequently - no it's not). |
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Using electronic devices during take-off and landing (was: CyberFlying???)
Fly Guy writes:
The embargo on electronic devices during take-off and landing is bull****. We all know that prohibition is there to remove a possible source of interference or lack-of-attention between the crew and passengers in cases of emergency (which are more relavent during taxi/takeoff/landing than during other phases of the flight). No, it's not there for that reason. At one time, there was a real concern that electronic gadgets could interfere with aircraft avionics, and for a brief period in the distant pass, that was a possibility, although it's not a problem today. The prohibition against recieving devices (radio's and hand-held TV's - remember those?) is really to keep the passengers in the dark about external world events during the flight. There is no regulation that prohibits receiving devices specifically. |
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Using electronic devices during take-off and landing
On 10/22/2011 07:30 PM, Mxsmanic wrote:
Fly Guy writes: The embargo on electronic devices during take-off and landing is bull****. We all know that prohibition is there to remove a possible source of interference or lack-of-attention between the crew and passengers in cases of emergency (which are more relavent during taxi/takeoff/landing than during other phases of the flight). No, it's not there for that reason. At one time, there was a real concern that electronic gadgets could interfere with aircraft avionics, and for a brief period in the distant pass, that was a possibility, although it's not a problem today. The prohibition against recieving devices (radio's and hand-held TV's - remember those?) is really to keep the passengers in the dark about external world events during the flight. There is no regulation that prohibits receiving devices specifically. Try discussing that with the flight attendant. |
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