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Chris Bell writes:
Luke O'Zade wrote: Not very good for GSR http://www.abc.net.au:80/news/storie...16/2218225.htm Nor for ARTC I imagine. They will be paying GSR a truckload of money over that one I expect. What a disaster. Interesting how GSR employed the same 'you must not leave the train' tactic that CityRail uses when they have major disruptions. 8-) I know all about that since I was stuck in the middle of quite a few instances where I've driven my train right up the bum of one in front that's stuck behind another that's stuck behind another, etc. and more were up the bum of my train. Nowhere to go, impossible to contain the passengers, and there was NO support from CityRail management. 13 hours without being permitted to get out of the train is not acceptable, even using RailCorp 'containment' policy standards! GSR unfortunately would have not been in a position to dictate terms here since it would have been ARTC telling them they can't allow people off the train, not their own management. However I'm betting there's a lot more to this issue that the media isn't reporting.... So we'd not talk about it on RailPage or it well get censored! Craig. -- Craig Dewick - HO-Scale Railway Modeller and Professional Train Manager at http://lios.apana.org.au/~craigd or if you're game! More good stuff at RailZone Australia - http://www.railzone.org - No Fundies! http://lios.apana.org.au/mailman/lis...us_rail_safety for Oz Rail Safety |
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On Apr 18, 9:28*am, C. Dewick wrote:
Chris Bell writes: Luke O'Zade wrote: Not very good for GSR *http://www.abc.net.au:80/news/storie...16/2218225.htm Nor for ARTC I imagine. They will be paying GSR a truckload of money over that one I expect. What a disaster. Interesting how GSR employed the same 'you must not leave the train' tactic that CityRail uses when they have major disruptions. 8-) I know all about that since I was stuck in the middle of quite a few instances where I've driven my train right up the bum of one in front that's stuck behind another that's stuck behind another, etc. and more were up the bum of my train. Nowhere to go, impossible to contain the passengers, and there was NO support from CityRail management. 13 hours without being permitted to get out of the train is not acceptable, even using RailCorp 'containment' policy standards! GSR unfortunately would have not been in a position to dictate terms here since it would have been ARTC telling them they can't allow people off the train, not their own management. However I'm betting there's a lot more to this issue that the media isn't reporting.... So we'd not talk about it on RailPage or it well get censored! Craig. -- Craig Dewick - HO-Scale Railway Modeller and Professional Train Manager athttp://lios.apana.org.au/~craigdor if you're game! More good stuff at RailZone Australia -http://www.railzone.org- No Fundies!http://lios.apana.org.au/mailman/lis...rail_safetyfor Oz Rail Safety As this incident occured 2 kms west of Broken Hill It comes under Great Southern Railway. I would suggest that they would have the same rules as when it was called Australian National. As a former employee who worked the Indian Pacific the doors are locked in that you stay on the train. As this is due to track work in NSW. It is obvious that communication between the two states is at an all time low. I can remember back in the late 1970's when work was being carried out in NSW. All passengers were airlifted to Sydney from Adelaide. We had to travel from Port Pirie to Adelaide by the broad gauge train. As Craig says keep quiet on this one. |
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eridge1 wrote:
As this incident occured 2 kms west of Broken Hill It comes under Great Southern Railway. GSR is just an operator who lease track access from ARTC. ARTC does all track work from Lithgow to Western Australia (Kalgoorlie or Perth?) Also from Macarthur to Melbourne and Adelaide. I would suggest that they would have the same rules as when it was called Australian National. As a former employee who worked the Indian Pacific the doors are locked in that you stay on the train. Yes, it is still the same policy. As this is due to track work in NSW. It is obvious that communication between the two states is at an all time low. Nothing to do with the states. GSR and ARTC head offices are very close together in Adelaide. The track work was organised from Adelaide. It is not clear whether the decision to hold passengers on board was made by GSR or ARTC. -- --- Function call to load Windows: here_piggy_piggy_piggy_piggy --- David Johnson usenet.at.trainman.id.au http://www.trainman.id.au ------------------------------------ These comments are made in a private capacity and do not represent the official view of RailCorp. |
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On 18 Apr, 00:28, C. Dewick wrote: Chris Bell writes: Luke O'Zade wrote: Not very good for GSR http://www.abc.net.au:80/news/storie...16/2218225.htm Nor for ARTC I imagine. They will be paying GSR a truckload of money over that one I expect. What a disaster. Interesting how GSR employed the same 'you must not leave the train' tactic that CityRail uses when they have major disruptions. 8-) I know all about that since I was stuck in the middle of quite a few instances where I've driven my train right up the bum of one in front that's stuck behind another that's stuck behind another, etc. and more were up the bum of my train. Nowhere to go, impossible to contain the passengers, and there was NO support from CityRail management. 13 hours without being permitted to get out of the train is not acceptable, even using RailCorp 'containment' policy standards! GSR unfortunately would have not been in a position to dictate terms here since it would have been ARTC telling them they can't allow people off the train, not their own management. However I'm betting there's a lot more to this issue that the media isn't reporting.... So we'd not talk about it on RailPage or it well get censored! Craig. Before furiously cross-posting may I suggest you take a bit of time to consider what the "uk" part of "uk.railway" denotes. |
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:08:23 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote: On 18 Apr, 00:28, C. Dewick wrote: Chris Bell writes: Luke O'Zade wrote: Not very good for GSR http://www.abc.net.au:80/news/storie...16/2218225.htm Nor for ARTC I imagine. They will be paying GSR a truckload of money over that one I expect. What a disaster. Interesting how GSR employed the same 'you must not leave the train' tactic that CityRail uses when they have major disruptions. 8-) I know all about that since I was stuck in the middle of quite a few instances where I've driven my train right up the bum of one in front that's stuck behind another that's stuck behind another, etc. and more were up the bum of my train. Nowhere to go, impossible to contain the passengers, and there was NO support from CityRail management. 13 hours without being permitted to get out of the train is not acceptable, even using RailCorp 'containment' policy standards! GSR unfortunately would have not been in a position to dictate terms here since it would have been ARTC telling them they can't allow people off the train, not their own management. However I'm betting there's a lot more to this issue that the media isn't reporting.... So we'd not talk about it on RailPage or it well get censored! Craig. Before furiously cross-posting may I suggest you take a bit of time to consider what the "uk" part of "uk.railway" denotes. Well the news report did mention a disgruntled English tourist, not that I see how they can complain. Disruptions to train services would probably be the norm fro them..... |
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As this is due to track work in NSW. It is obvious that communication between the two states is at an all time low. Advice from uk.railway is you would be best advised to get that sorted out because if communication isn't right, who knows, you could end up all on different gauges or something. |
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While nobody wants to sit in a train that's going nowhere for 13 hours and
nobody wants to miss connections to planes etc ... Having travelled on the Indian Pacific, there's a huge difference between spending that time on the Indian Pacific versus being stuck on a commuter train for the same period of time. On the Indian Pacific, you are expected to spend a long time onboard it so there are all the facilities for food, drink, lounges, reading materials etc. You would be a lot more comfortable for 13 hours than you would be trapped on a commuter train. And I can understand that they don't want their passengers roaming about outside the train particularly if there are other rail lines in use. Firstly there are probably some safety regulations they don't want to breach and secondly there is the risk of litigation if anyone was injured or killed while wandering about outside. Since if they were only 2km out of Broken Hill as claimed, an obvious question is why didn't they get some buses to come and transport the passengers into Broken Hill to the railway station, from which they could have wandered around safely in the Broken Hill shops etc (assuming it wasn't the middle of the night) until the train was fixed and back at the station. My guess is that they didn't expect it to take 13 hours and that it was probably one of those situations where they expected it to be fixed in "just another half an hour" so it was never worthwhile making an arrangements to get the passengers off the train because the fix was imminent. And I guess the other issue for them is if they had the passengers roaming around Broken Hill, how would they round them up again when the train was finally ready to leave? If they transported the passengers to (say) the railway station and told them to remain there, then frankly they would be less comfortable at the station than if they stayed on the train. So I can see why the passengers were upset about staying on the train, but from the perspective of the staff, all other courses of action may have involved some risks, albeit ones that might not have been evident to the passengers. Kerry |
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Kerry Raymond wrote:
And I can understand that they don't want their passengers roaming about outside the train particularly if there are other rail lines in use. Firstly there are probably some safety regulations they don't want to breach and secondly there is the risk of litigation if anyone was injured or killed while wandering about outside. It would have been single track where they were stopped. IIRC, the train would have been on an embankment near Oxide Street. Since if they were only 2km out of Broken Hill as claimed, an obvious question is why didn't they get some buses to come and transport the passengers into Broken Hill to the railway station, from which they could have wandered around safely in the Broken Hill shops etc (assuming it wasn't the middle of the night) until the train was fixed and back at the station. My guess is that they didn't expect it to take 13 hours and that it was probably one of those situations where they expected it to be fixed in "just another half an hour" so it was never worthwhile making an arrangements to get the passengers off the train because the fix was imminent. And I guess the other issue for them is if they had the passengers roaming around Broken Hill, how would they round them up again when the train was finally ready to leave? If they transported the passengers to (say) the railway station and told them to remain there, then frankly they would be less comfortable at the station than if they stayed on the train. The complaints were from people who were alighting at Broken Hill. Some of them could have looked out the window and seen their house. They were the people who just wanted to get off and walk away, not the through passengers. Buses should have been easy to organise, as there would have been a few waiting at the station to take passengers on town tours. As the train would have arrived mid-late afternoon, it would not have left until the early hours of the morning. -- --- All great discoveries are made by mistake. --- David Johnson usenet.at.trainman.id.au http://www.trainman.id.au ------------------------------------ These comments are made in a private capacity and do not represent the official view of RailCorp. |
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allan tracy wrote:
Advice from uk.railway is you would be best advised to get that sorted out because if communication isn't right, who knows, you could end up all on different gauges or something. Lol, you've robably hit it on the head; they were surrupticiously changng the bogies for the different guages. shades of bogie changes undertaken at Maree in the 70's. Oh wait, they told us to ge off one set of passenger cars and wait for hours on the platform whilst the whole goods train was transshipped. |
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