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From France: Dental care out of reach for millions
De France: Dental care out of reach for millions
September 10, 2010 HIGH dental costs are turning people away from having treatment, the Cour des Comptes audit body says. One person in seven stopped dental work for financial reasons in 2006. In all, 63 per cent of all cases where people cancelled health treatments involved dental care, against 25 per cent for spectacles or contact lenses and 16 per cent for specialist consultants. The auditors said dental care was now out of reach of a high proportion of the population and the Sécurité Sociale was paying for only a third of the €9 billion costs of dentistry; whereas in 1980, it paid for half. They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns, bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A crown costs between €275-€760 but the reimbursement is only €75. However, the Cour des Comptes said the average cost to the dentist was only between €68 and €115 as they were using more imported products. This added up to a €160m profit for dentists. For a three-tooth bridge a patient would pay up to €2,290 while the cost to the dentist was €345 and the reimbursement €195. The Cour des Comptes said the payment for dentists was too high – €4.2bn in 2006 as against €2.1bn for doctors – and that mutuelles should get more of a in dental estimates. Dentists should also be cutting costs by employing assistants to do standard work such as scaling and polishing. France has more dentists per 100,000 people than the rest of Europe ; 65 per 100,000 as against 61 per 100,000, but that is set to fall severely and the audit report forecast there would be only 40 dentists per 100,000 by 2030. In addition, dentists are very poorly distributed round the country |
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From France: Dental care out of reach for millions
On Sep 12, 7:40*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote: De France: Dental care out of reach for millions September 10, 2010 HIGH dental costs are turning people away from having treatment, the Cour des Comptes audit body says. One person in seven stopped dental work for financial reasons in 2006. In all, 63 per cent of all cases where people cancelled health treatments involved dental care, against 25 per cent for spectacles or contact lenses and 16 per cent for specialist consultants. The auditors said dental care was now out of reach of a high proportion of the population and the Sécurité Sociale was paying for only a third of the €9 billion costs of dentistry; whereas in 1980, it paid for half. They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns, bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A crown costs between €275-€760 but the reimbursement is only €75. However, the Cour des Comptes said the average cost to the dentist was only between €68 and €115 as they were using more imported products. This added up to a €160m profit for dentists. For a three-tooth bridge a patient would pay up to €2,290 while the cost to the dentist was €345 and the reimbursement €195. The Cour des Comptes said the payment for dentists was too high – €4.2bn in 2006 as against €2.1bn for doctors – and that mutuelles should get more of a in dental estimates. Dentists should also be cutting costs by employing assistants to do standard work such as scaling and polishing. France has more dentists per 100,000 people than the rest of Europe ; 65 per 100,000 as against 61 per 100,000, but that is set to fall severely and the audit report forecast there would be only 40 dentists per 100,000 by 2030. In addition, dentists are very poorly distributed round the country You sure don't follow how many folks here have dental insurance and losing your job and benefits, folks can not afford to go to a dentist. Even VA does not offer dental care 'unless' you doctor can document it as medically necessary. Ask around how many retired folks have dental insurance. Medicare does not pay for it. Your preoccupation with the faults of other countries, blind you to the ****tn' mess we have here. |
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From France: Dental care out of reach for millions
I've noticed bad teeth seem to be common in Canada as well. |
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From France: Dental care out of reach for millions
On Sep 12, 11:00*am, Werner wrote:
I've noticed bad teeth seem to be common in Canada as well. Europeans have told me that when they see expensive looking dental work they next try to determine if it belongs to an American or a German. |
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From France: Dental care out of reach for millions
On Sep 12, 10:20*am, Werner wrote:
On Sep 12, 9:14*am, GLOBALIST wrote: On Sep 12, 7:40*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: De France: Dental care out of reach for millions September 10, 2010 HIGH dental costs are turning people away from having treatment, the Cour des Comptes audit body says. One person in seven stopped dental work for financial reasons in 2006. In all, 63 per cent of all cases where people cancelled health treatments involved dental care, against 25 per cent for spectacles or contact lenses and 16 per cent for specialist consultants. The auditors said dental care was now out of reach of a high proportion of the population and the Sécurité Sociale was paying for only a third of the €9 billion costs of dentistry; whereas in 1980, it paid for half. They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns, bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A crown costs between €275-€760 but the reimbursement is only €75.. However, the Cour des Comptes said the average cost to the dentist was only between €68 and €115 as they were using more imported products. This added up to a €160m profit for dentists. For a three-tooth bridge a patient would pay up to €2,290 while the cost to the dentist was €345 and the reimbursement €195. The Cour des Comptes said the payment for dentists was too high – €4.2bn in 2006 as against €2.1bn for doctors – and that mutuelles should get more of a in dental estimates. Dentists should also be cutting costs by employing assistants to do standard work such as scaling and polishing. France has more dentists per 100,000 people than the rest of Europe ; 65 per 100,000 as against 61 per 100,000, but that is set to fall severely and the audit report forecast there would be only 40 dentists per 100,000 by 2030. In addition, dentists are very poorly distributed round the country You sure don't follow how many folks here have dental insurance and losing your job and benefits, folks can not afford to go to a dentist. *Even VA does not offer dental care 'unless' you doctor can document it as medically necessary. *Ask around how many retired folks have dental insurance. Medicare does not pay for it. Your preoccupation with the faults of other countries, blind you to the ****tn' mess we have here. This applies to you as well. I spend summers in a small village of about 70 households in Canda. In the last couple of years a handful of residents died of various cancers. Near as I can tell, they received little or no treatment.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Once again you are talking about folks with money as opposed to folks with little money and they must refuse to go to a dentist because it will cost them a small fortune. All you guys are saying is like our court system, or medical system etc..."it's the best that money can buy." That only leaves out millions and millions of Americans. |
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From France: Dental care out of reach for millions
But the difference is that ermans have brains, whereas Americans don't.
"O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote in message ... On Sep 12, 11:00 am, Werner wrote: I've noticed bad teeth seem to be common in Canada as well. Europeans have told me that when they see expensive looking dental work they next try to determine if it belongs to an American or a German. |
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From France: Dental care out of reach for millions
K wrote on Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:33:26 +0200:
"O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote in message ... On Sep 12, 11:00 am, Werner wrote: I've noticed bad teeth seem to be common in Canada as well. Europeans have told me that when they see expensive looking dental work they next try to determine if it belongs to an American or a German. I'll admit that I don't have dental insurance and I don't think, even if I did buy reasonably affordable insurance, that it would cover implants or gold inlays both of which I have. Does German state dental insurance cover those things? I was glad to be able to use the cost of implants as a tax deduction but that is all. -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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From France: Dental care out of reach for millions
On Sep 12, 12:08*pm, GLOBALIST wrote:
On Sep 12, 10:20*am, Werner wrote: On Sep 12, 9:14*am, GLOBALIST wrote: On Sep 12, 7:40*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: De France: Dental care out of reach for millions September 10, 2010 HIGH dental costs are turning people away from having treatment, the Cour des Comptes audit body says. One person in seven stopped dental work for financial reasons in 2006. In all, 63 per cent of all cases where people cancelled health treatments involved dental care, against 25 per cent for spectacles or contact lenses and 16 per cent for specialist consultants. The auditors said dental care was now out of reach of a high proportion of the population and the Sécurité Sociale was paying for only a third of the €9 billion costs of dentistry; whereas in 1980, it paid for half. They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns, bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A crown costs between €275-€760 but the reimbursement is only €75. However, the Cour des Comptes said the average cost to the dentist was only between €68 and €115 as they were using more imported products. This added up to a €160m profit for dentists. For a three-tooth bridge a patient would pay up to €2,290 while the cost to the dentist was €345 and the reimbursement €195. The Cour des Comptes said the payment for dentists was too high – €4.2bn in 2006 as against €2.1bn for doctors – and that mutuelles should get more of a in dental estimates. Dentists should also be cutting costs by employing assistants to do standard work such as scaling and polishing. France has more dentists per 100,000 people than the rest of Europe ; 65 per 100,000 as against 61 per 100,000, but that is set to fall severely and the audit report forecast there would be only 40 dentists per 100,000 by 2030. In addition, dentists are very poorly distributed round the country You sure don't follow how many folks here have dental insurance and losing your job and benefits, folks can not afford to go to a dentist. *Even VA does not offer dental care 'unless' you doctor can document it as medically necessary. *Ask around how many retired folks have dental insurance. Medicare does not pay for it. Your preoccupation with the faults of other countries, blind you to the ****tn' mess we have here. This applies to you as well. I spend summers in a small village of about 70 households in Canda. In the last couple of years a handful of residents died of various cancers. Near as I can tell, they received little or no treatment.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Once again you are talking about folks with money as opposed to folks with little money and they must refuse to go to a dentist because it will cost them a small fortune. * All you guys are saying is like our court system, or medical system etc..."it's the best that money can buy." That only leaves out millions and millions of Americans. Try to pay attention. Canada has universal government health care. If it is true that Canadian cancer patients get little of no care then it leaves out Canadians . |
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From France: Dental care out of reach for millions
On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 05:40:51 -0700 (PDT), "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote: They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns, bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A crown costs between €275-€760 but the reimbursement is only €75. That seems to be the lab fee without an understanding that there are other overhead costs and an implication that the dentist should be doing it for cost. |
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From France: Dental care out of reach for millions
"Brian" wrote in message ... On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 05:40:51 -0700 (PDT), "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote: They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns, bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A crown costs between ?275-?760 but the reimbursement is only ?75. That seems to be the lab fee without an understanding that there are other overhead costs and an implication that the dentist should be doing it for cost. Yes. It is no different here. A crown costs a great deal more than what my insurance pays. All dental insurance seems to be like that. Dental costs everywhere are high. I cannot see why anyone should get upset about what is essentially the same situation everywhere. O'Donovan goes into these issues without thinking about them. The smartest move would be to go to another country where dental care is good in quality and cheap in price. Some go to Mexico and some go to other countries. But you have to factor in airfare and expenses to see if it is a worthwhile endeavor. Best Regards, Evelyn |
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