From France: Dental care out of reach for millions

De France: Dental care out of reach for millions
September 10, 2010

HIGH dental costs are turning people away from having treatment, the
Cour des Comptes audit body says.

One person in seven stopped dental work for financial reasons in
2006.
In all, 63 per cent of all cases where people cancelled health
treatments involved dental care, against 25 per cent for spectacles
or
contact lenses and 16 per cent for specialist consultants.

The auditors said dental care was now out of reach of a high
proportion of the population and the Sécurité Sociale was paying for
only a third of the €9 billion costs of dentistry; whereas in 1980,
it
paid for half.

They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns,
bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A
crown costs between €275-€760 but the reimbursement is only €75.

However, the Cour des Comptes said the average cost to the dentist
was
only between €68 and €115 as they were using more imported products.
This added up to a €160m profit for dentists.

For a three-tooth bridge a patient would pay up to €2,290 while the
cost to the dentist was €345 and the reimbursement €195.

The Cour des Comptes said the payment for dentists was too high –
€4.2bn in 2006 as against €2.1bn for doctors – and that mutuelles
should get more of a in dental estimates. Dentists should also be
cutting costs by employing assistants to do standard work such as
scaling and polishing.

France has more dentists per 100,000 people than the rest of Europe ;
65 per 100,000 as against 61 per 100,000, but that is set to fall
severely and the audit report forecast there would be only 40
dentists
per 100,000 by 2030.

In addition, dentists are very poorly distributed round the country

On Sep 12, 7:40*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:
De France: Dental care out of reach for millions
September 10, 2010

HIGH dental costs are turning people away from having treatment, the
Cour des Comptes audit body says.

One person in seven stopped dental work for financial reasons in
2006.
In all, 63 per cent of all cases where people cancelled health
treatments involved dental care, against 25 per cent for spectacles
or
contact lenses and 16 per cent for specialist consultants.

The auditors said dental care was now out of reach of a high
proportion of the population and the Sécurité Sociale was paying for
only a third of the €9 billion costs of dentistry; whereas in 1980,
it
paid for half.

They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns,
bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A
crown costs between €275-€760 but the reimbursement is only €75.

However, the Cour des Comptes said the average cost to the dentist
was
only between €68 and €115 as they were using more imported products.
This added up to a €160m profit for dentists.

For a three-tooth bridge a patient would pay up to €2,290 while the
cost to the dentist was €345 and the reimbursement €195.

The Cour des Comptes said the payment for dentists was too high –
€4.2bn in 2006 as against €2.1bn for doctors – and that mutuelles
should get more of a in dental estimates. Dentists should also be
cutting costs by employing assistants to do standard work such as
scaling and polishing.

France has more dentists per 100,000 people than the rest of Europe ;
65 per 100,000 as against 61 per 100,000, but that is set to fall
severely and the audit report forecast there would be only 40
dentists
per 100,000 by 2030.

In addition, dentists are very poorly distributed round the country

You sure don't follow how many folks here have dental insurance and
losing your job and benefits, folks can not afford to go to a
dentist. Even VA does not offer dental care 'unless' you doctor can
document it as medically necessary. Ask around how many retired folks
have dental insurance. Medicare does not pay for it. Your
preoccupation with the faults of other countries, blind you to the
****tn' mess we have here.

I've noticed bad teeth seem to be common in Canada as well.

On Sep 12, 11:00*am, Werner wrote:
I've noticed bad teeth seem to be common in Canada as well.

Europeans have told me that when they see expensive looking dental
work they next try to determine if it belongs to an American or a
German.

On Sep 12, 10:20*am, Werner wrote:
On Sep 12, 9:14*am, GLOBALIST wrote:





On Sep 12, 7:40*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:

De France: Dental care out of reach for millions
September 10, 2010

HIGH dental costs are turning people away from having treatment, the
Cour des Comptes audit body says.

One person in seven stopped dental work for financial reasons in
2006.
In all, 63 per cent of all cases where people cancelled health
treatments involved dental care, against 25 per cent for spectacles
or
contact lenses and 16 per cent for specialist consultants.

The auditors said dental care was now out of reach of a high
proportion of the population and the Sécurité Sociale was paying for
only a third of the €9 billion costs of dentistry; whereas in 1980,
it
paid for half.

They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns,
bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A
crown costs between €275-€760 but the reimbursement is only €75..

However, the Cour des Comptes said the average cost to the dentist
was
only between €68 and €115 as they were using more imported products.
This added up to a €160m profit for dentists.

For a three-tooth bridge a patient would pay up to €2,290 while the
cost to the dentist was €345 and the reimbursement €195.

The Cour des Comptes said the payment for dentists was too high –
€4.2bn in 2006 as against €2.1bn for doctors – and that mutuelles
should get more of a in dental estimates. Dentists should also be
cutting costs by employing assistants to do standard work such as
scaling and polishing.

France has more dentists per 100,000 people than the rest of Europe ;
65 per 100,000 as against 61 per 100,000, but that is set to fall
severely and the audit report forecast there would be only 40
dentists
per 100,000 by 2030.

In addition, dentists are very poorly distributed round the country

You sure don't follow how many folks here have dental insurance and
losing your job and benefits, folks can not afford to go to a
dentist. *Even VA does not offer dental care 'unless' you doctor can
document it as medically necessary. *Ask around how many retired folks
have dental insurance. Medicare does not pay for it. Your
preoccupation with the faults of other countries, blind you to the
****tn' mess we have here.

This applies to you as well. I spend summers in a small village of
about 70 households in Canda. In the last couple of years a handful of
residents died of various cancers. Near as I can tell, they received
little or no treatment.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Once again you are talking about folks with money as opposed to folks
with little money and they must refuse to go to a dentist because it
will cost them a small fortune. All you guys are saying is like our
court system, or medical system etc..."it's the best that money can
buy." That only leaves out millions and millions of Americans.

But the difference is that ermans have brains, whereas Americans don't.


"O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote in message
...
On Sep 12, 11:00 am, Werner wrote:
I've noticed bad teeth seem to be common in Canada as well.

Europeans have told me that when they see expensive looking dental
work they next try to determine if it belongs to an American or a
German.

K wrote on Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:33:26 +0200:

"O'Donovan, PJ, Himself" wrote in
message
...
On Sep 12, 11:00 am, Werner wrote:
I've noticed bad teeth seem to be common in Canada as well.

Europeans have told me that when they see expensive looking dental
work they next try to determine if it belongs to an American or a
German.

I'll admit that I don't have dental insurance and I don't think, even if
I did buy reasonably affordable insurance, that it would cover implants
or gold inlays both of which I have. Does German state dental insurance
cover those things? I was glad to be able to use the cost of implants as
a tax deduction but that is all.



--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Sep 12, 12:08*pm, GLOBALIST wrote:
On Sep 12, 10:20*am, Werner wrote:





On Sep 12, 9:14*am, GLOBALIST wrote:

On Sep 12, 7:40*am, "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:

De France: Dental care out of reach for millions
September 10, 2010

HIGH dental costs are turning people away from having treatment, the
Cour des Comptes audit body says.

One person in seven stopped dental work for financial reasons in
2006.
In all, 63 per cent of all cases where people cancelled health
treatments involved dental care, against 25 per cent for spectacles
or
contact lenses and 16 per cent for specialist consultants.

The auditors said dental care was now out of reach of a high
proportion of the population and the Sécurité Sociale was paying for
only a third of the €9 billion costs of dentistry; whereas in 1980,
it
paid for half.

They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns,
bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A
crown costs between €275-€760 but the reimbursement is only €75.

However, the Cour des Comptes said the average cost to the dentist
was
only between €68 and €115 as they were using more imported products.
This added up to a €160m profit for dentists.

For a three-tooth bridge a patient would pay up to €2,290 while the
cost to the dentist was €345 and the reimbursement €195.

The Cour des Comptes said the payment for dentists was too high –
€4.2bn in 2006 as against €2.1bn for doctors – and that mutuelles
should get more of a in dental estimates. Dentists should also be
cutting costs by employing assistants to do standard work such as
scaling and polishing.

France has more dentists per 100,000 people than the rest of Europe ;
65 per 100,000 as against 61 per 100,000, but that is set to fall
severely and the audit report forecast there would be only 40
dentists
per 100,000 by 2030.

In addition, dentists are very poorly distributed round the country

You sure don't follow how many folks here have dental insurance and
losing your job and benefits, folks can not afford to go to a
dentist. *Even VA does not offer dental care 'unless' you doctor can
document it as medically necessary. *Ask around how many retired folks
have dental insurance. Medicare does not pay for it. Your
preoccupation with the faults of other countries, blind you to the
****tn' mess we have here.

This applies to you as well. I spend summers in a small village of
about 70 households in Canda. In the last couple of years a handful of
residents died of various cancers. Near as I can tell, they received
little or no treatment.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Once again you are talking about folks with money as opposed to folks
with little money and they must refuse to go to a dentist because it
will cost them a small fortune. * All you guys are saying is like our
court system, or medical system etc..."it's the best that money can
buy." That only leaves out millions and millions of Americans.


Try to pay attention. Canada has universal government health care. If
it is true that Canadian cancer patients get little of no care then it
leaves out Canadians .

On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 05:40:51 -0700 (PDT), "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:


They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns,
bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A
crown costs between €275-€760 but the reimbursement is only €75.

That seems to be the lab fee without an understanding that there are
other overhead costs and an implication that the dentist should be
doing it for cost.

"Brian" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 12 Sep 2010 05:40:51 -0700 (PDT), "O'Donovan, PJ, Himself"
wrote:


They particularly attacked the pricing of prosthetics such as crowns,
bridges and dentures and the low level of repayment by the Sécu. A
crown costs between ?275-?760 but the reimbursement is only ?75.

That seems to be the lab fee without an understanding that there are
other overhead costs and an implication that the dentist should be
doing it for cost.

Yes. It is no different here. A crown costs a great deal more than what
my insurance pays. All dental insurance seems to be like that. Dental
costs everywhere are high. I cannot see why anyone should get upset about
what is essentially the same situation everywhere. O'Donovan goes into
these issues without thinking about them. The smartest move would be to go
to another country where dental care is good in quality and cheap in price.
Some go to Mexico and some go to other countries. But you have to factor
in airfare and expenses to see if it is a worthwhile endeavor.

Best Regards,
Evelyn