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Anyone understand the TSA's "3 ounce" rule?
On May 3, 3:13*pm, Robert Neville wrote:
DevilsPGD wrote: 100mL is allowed, the TSA calls this "3 oz" but it's actually "3.4 oz" IIRC, the original TSA rule was indeed 3.0 oz. When TSA decreed that incoming international flights needed to comply with the same rule, the first response from those airlines was "What's an ounce?" They compromised on 100 ml. I see that now with one of the referenced links. However - I remember being in the line, and the sign was pretty much the same as the image in that webpage. It gets a little bit confusing since the sign was never modified to note a metric equivalent. I do remember the temporary rule back around August 2006, and I remember bringing 4 oz bottles as carry-on. However - I didn't worry so much since my flight on AA allowed me to bring two check-in bags at no extra cost. In fact I loaded up a bunch of junk I got in a cardboard box. I still don't quite understand why it was permanently set at 3 oz (or even 100 ml) like there's some sort of scientific accuracy to the number. 4 oz is such a common container size in the US that I can' figure our why it didn't remain there at least for US domestic flights. |
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Anyone understand the TSA's "3 ounce" rule?
On May 4, 11:33*am, DevilsPGD wrote:
In message "singlemalt" was claimed to have wrote: Anyone know of any actual 3 oz bottles? *I bought a few Nalgene 2 oz bottles, but they seem a bit small. *100 ml looks good enough, but I'm not sure if they'll allow it. *I did see a box filled with discarded containers that didn't make it past the TSA security. *I also gave about a half-case of bottled water to some curbside baggage handlers; they stashed it and seemed to appreciate it. Go to your local pharmacy and ask them to sell you some 3 oz bottles. If the bottles aren't labeled by the manufacturer you may bump into problems. *I'm not sure how strictly this is enforced, but I was questioned about how I know a shampoo bottle with a worn label was under the limit, since it had a matching conditioner bottle with a readable label it wasn't an issue. Most of my Nalgene bottles are labelled at the bottom. I don't see why they can't just eyeball the containers or maybe just weigh them? Remember this isn't about security, it's theatre. Certainly it is. I remember back when shoe inspections were random. Now it's everyone. If you want proof that the quantity of liquid isn't a factor bring two fully loaded baggies, put one in a bin on top of your jacket and the second in another bin with a handful of change and cell phone, no one will notice that you have more liquid then allowed. *If you want proof that the size of the bottle isn't a factor, bring some large empty bottles and see if they are confiscated. Nowadays they are usually plastic and so cheap that they will probably give them to you. BTW, you cannot fill 3 oz bottles with liquor ( Scotch) and put them in your allowable one quart zip lock bag. No booze can be carried onto the plane, unless, perhaps, duty free. I don't see anything specifically prohibiting liquor on the prohibited list right now; seehttp://www.tsa.gov/311/index.shtmandhttp://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibite... I heard of someone who tried bringing on some alcohol, was told he couldn't bring it on board, and proceeded to down nearly an entire bottle of vodka. He nearly died from alcohol poisoning. I've been on some international flights, and they specifically note in the duty free catalog that purchased alcohol can't be consumed on board. Many of these duty free operations have the alcohol waiting at the jetway. However, flammable liquids are prohibited, so this might prohibit your drink of choice. *On the other hand, how often do you see TSA representatives attempting to identify liquids? I can't figure it out either. |
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Anyone understand the TSA's "3 ounce" rule?
In message "singlemalt"
was claimed to have wrote: Of course, part of the idea was to carry on some for me to drink on board and the rest later on. I called AA and asked them about it and the person I talked to said no booze on board. Anyway, that one person did. You do realize that airline rules are not TSA rules, right? |
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Anyone understand the TSA's "3 ounce" rule?
"DevilsPGD" wrote in message ... In message "singlemalt" was claimed to have wrote: Of course, part of the idea was to carry on some for me to drink on board and the rest later on. I called AA and asked them about it and the person I talked to said no booze on board. Anyway, that one person did. You do realize that airline rules are not TSA rules, right? Right, and that is why I specified that I was told that by a person I spoke to at AA. May not be the same all over but I suspect so primarily so you will have to buy their liquor. |
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Anyone understand the TSA's "3 ounce" rule?
On May 5, 8:07*pm, DevilsPGD wrote:
In message was claimed to have wrote: On May 4, 11:33*am, DevilsPGD wrote: In message "singlemalt" was claimed to have wrote: Anyone know of any actual 3 oz bottles? *I bought a few Nalgene 2 oz bottles, but they seem a bit small. *100 ml looks good enough, but I'm not sure if they'll allow it. *I did see a box filled with discarded containers that didn't make it past the TSA security. *I also gave about a half-case of bottled water to some curbside baggage handlers; they stashed it and seemed to appreciate it. Go to your local pharmacy and ask them to sell you some 3 oz bottles. If the bottles aren't labeled by the manufacturer you may bump into problems. *I'm not sure how strictly this is enforced, but I was questioned about how I know a shampoo bottle with a worn label was under the limit, since it had a matching conditioner bottle with a readable label it wasn't an issue. Most of my Nalgene bottles are labelled at the bottom. *I don't see why they can't just eyeball the containers or maybe just weigh them? Eyeballing containers would require IQ power, and result in arguments when the TSA representative's judgment call doesn't match yours. Weighing them would take time and delay everyone else, and you'd still get arguments since not all liquids have the same weight, plus you have the container's weight. As it is now they're rather inconsistent about 3 oz, 100 ml, etc. I've heard some reports that 4 oz can get through if you're polite about it but some TSA screeners bring down the hammer. Remember that this only applies to carry-on, if you really need something that you can't get in an appropriately sized container and don't want to risk confiscation, take a small amount with you, check another small amount, move on. Yeah - but some airlines are charging 1st bag fees now. I'm thinking if I need sunscreen I'm better off just bringing a 2 oz bottle with me and buying it at a discount store when I get there. That last place I went to I was warned by airline personnel about luggage thieves. I do remember some airports (often international terminals) where I was asked to show the baggage claim ticket. However - I just went through four airports where anyone could have walked up from the street and taken any bag without being questioned unless the owner was there. Remember this isn't about security, it's theatre. Certainly it is. *I remember back when shoe inspections were random. Now it's everyone. Except that they don't manage to catch gel inserts, which are a banned item. Once I saw San Francisco Giants manager Felipe Alou take his shoes off at the gate to have it placed in an explosives detection machine. Kind of strange too since I thought he would have been on the team charter during the middle of the season. I heard of someone who tried bringing on some alcohol, was told he couldn't bring it on board, and proceeded to down nearly an entire bottle of vodka. *He nearly died from alcohol poisoning. You can't fix stupid. *I'm also guessing that 3.4oz of vodka wouldn't kill your average bear, so without further information on the story, I'm going to guess he bought a larger bottle at duty-free, only to discover he can't take it with him through a security gate at a stopover. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20...ny_vodka_quaff Nuremberg Airport. One liter of vodka. Apparently he was switching planes on his way home to Dresden from Egypt. I'm guessing he probably got it duty free. Given a choice between tossing it or paying to have his luggage checked in, he downed the entire bottle. Reports are that he couldn't stand almost immediately. I've been on some international flights, and they specifically note in the duty free catalog that purchased alcohol can't be consumed on board. *Many of these duty free operations have the alcohol waiting at the jetway. Indeed. I'm guessing Mr poison yourself to near death might have had the booze delivered exiting his flight from Egypt. |
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wrote: As it is now they're rather inconsistent about 3 oz, 100 ml, etc. I've heard some reports that 4 oz can get through if you're polite about it but some TSA screeners bring down the hammer. Maybe, but even so: To ensure traveler's security, transportation security officers (TSOs) may determine that an item not on the prohibited items chart is prohibited. In addition, the TSO may also determine that an item on the permitted chart is dangerous and therefore may not be brought through the security checkpoint. http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/Prohib...ly_3-16-07.pdf So, good luck. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN |
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Anyone understand the TSA's "3 ounce" rule?
On May 6, 4:15*pm, DevilsPGD wrote:
In message was claimed to have wrote: I'm guessing Mr poison yourself to near death might have had the booze delivered exiting his flight from Egypt. Why would you guess that? *Something about hearing hooves and guessing zebras comes to mind: The simplest explanation is probably the easiest. Now it's possible that those countries have different rules, I've not traveled in that part of the world, but normally duty-free purchases are delivered as you board the flight. In the few times I traveled international I've seen a few things. A few years back I could actually collect duty free items at the terminal and take it on board. That's obviously different now that you can't get large bottles past security. As you say, they're probably delivered as people board. I've done duty free ordering from a catalog on board a plane, and those deliveries would either have to be on the plane or upon landing. I've actually seen bags of stuff waiting at the jetway (boarding or exiting), so that's my basis. |
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