Boeing's latest 7E7 fantasy pictures

AJC wrote:
http://boeingmedia.com/images/one.cf...8154&release=t
http://boeingmedia.com/images/one.cf...8156&release=t

I love all those wide open empty spaces, of course no airline would
dream of filling them with seats or galleys or toilets would they?

The entry hall is probably realistic and does look quite futuristic. The
cabins don't look realistic at all.

With a ceiling so high, the folks seated in the middle seats would need to
stand on their seats to reach overhead bins.

What I find odd is that the coach cabin is configured 2-3-2, but hasn't it
been determined that cargo reequirements would essentially force the 7E7 to at
least a 2-4-2 in coach ?

Airbus dreams about gyms and shops and whatever on the 380. Come on
Boeing lets have a mock-up of a realistic configuration of the 7E7.

The thing about the 380 is that once it starts to fly, airlines may find that
to obtain promised range, they would be forced to keep the plane in a low
density configuration, leaving much room for such amenities. 550 pax seems to
be the limit, and with only 550 pax, you have tons of room for "comfort".

For the 7E7 however, it isn't a question of pushing the limits in terms of
size, it is just a question of building a better A330. The plane wouldn't have
any problems flying even if configured with high density seating for charter airlines.

"Thirsty Raccoon" wrote in message
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AJC wrote:

The entry hall is probably realistic and does look quite futuristic. The
cabins don't look realistic at all.

With a ceiling so high, the folks seated in the middle seats would need to
stand on their seats to reach overhead bins.

It isn't actually as high as it seems. And it is far more cramped when
filled with passengers. Take a look at this pic.

http://boeingmedia.com/images/one.cf...8155&release=t


What I find odd is that the coach cabin is configured 2-3-2, but hasn't it
been determined that cargo reequirements would essentially force the 7E7
to at
least a 2-4-2 in coach ?

Airbus dreams about gyms and shops and whatever on the 380. Come on
Boeing lets have a mock-up of a realistic configuration of the 7E7.

The thing about the 380 is that once it starts to fly, airlines may find
that
to obtain promised range, they would be forced to keep the plane in a low
density configuration, leaving much room for such amenities. 550 pax seems
to
be the limit, and with only 550 pax, you have tons of room for "comfort".


What is also important here is simple math. While the exterior (where most
of the drag is "produced" and a lot of the weight is) grows in a linear way
the room inside grows exponentially. So with a little more surface you get
quite a lot of room.



For the 7E7 however, it isn't a question of pushing the limits in terms of
size, it is just a question of building a better A330. The plane wouldn't
have
any problems flying even if configured with high density seating for
charter airlines.

Interesting to see if Boeing can succeed on this!


Nik.

What is also important here is simple math. While the exterior (where most
of the drag is "produced" and a lot of the weight is) grows in a linear way
the room inside grows exponentially. So with a little more surface you get
quite a lot of room.

For the 7E7 however, it isn't a question of pushing the limits in terms of
size, it is just a question of building a better A330. The plane wouldn't
have any problems flying even if configured with high density seating for
charter airlines.

Interesting to see if Boeing can succeed on this!

I believe there would very little, if any, disagreement with the statement
that Boeing has the resources to build an airliner which is very capable of
competing with Airbus. And although passenger comfort is a decent concept,
it is still the airlines which make the aircraft purchase.

Some of you may remember the amount of passenger room in the first 747s.
I recall flights where coach seating was better than todays option of
Economy Plus. And various bulkheads separated the cabin into smaller
sections which also made it quieter. But after several years of that, and
also after that aircraft had the reputation for passenger comfort, the
interior was reconfigured to the present day spam-in-a-can seating. And
I would expect to see any new airliner follow the same seting evolution.
Unfortunately.

If the airlines are successful selling more comfortable seating in
steerage, we'll get that. And if the majority of the passenger demands are
for rock-bottom fares, you will be facing the current seat pitch -- which
makes crossing your legs while seated into a yoga exercise. And regardless
of how spacious or technologically advanced is the aircraft.

AJC wrote in
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On 18 Nov 2003 08:39:39 -0800, (Holden
McGroyne) wrote:



Some of you may remember the amount of passenger room in the first
747s.



Indeed, as a child I flew on one of the very first Qantas 747 flights.
The aircraft was divided in to one first class and 4 economy cabins.
First class had the Captain Cook lounge upstairs, economy had wide
seats in a comfortable 2-4-3 layout.


I remember the firs articles on 747's with the lounge upstairs and all
the glitz, It was going to make air travel as glamourous as an ocean
liner. I couldn't wait for a chance.

Many many miles later, I got Business class seats on one, upstairs where
the piano bar should have been. Oh well there isn't a card table in
first anymore either.

My first flight on a United DC-10 they had a self-serve snack bar in the
lounge at the back of coach. YES - lounge.

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:50:22 GMT, jcoulter
wrote:

AJC wrote in
:

On 18 Nov 2003 08:39:39 -0800, (Holden
McGroyne) wrote:



Some of you may remember the amount of passenger room in the first
747s.



Indeed, as a child I flew on one of the very first Qantas 747 flights.
The aircraft was divided in to one first class and 4 economy cabins.
First class had the Captain Cook lounge upstairs, economy had wide
seats in a comfortable 2-4-3 layout.


I remember the firs articles on 747's with the lounge upstairs and all
the glitz, It was going to make air travel as glamourous as an ocean
liner. I couldn't wait for a chance.

Many many miles later, I got Business class seats on one, upstairs where
the piano bar should have been. Oh well there isn't a card table in
first anymore either.


Was it the 747 or the DC-10 that had a piano bar in the back of coach
on a major US airline? AA?

In article ,
AJC wrote:


Yes, the latest reports are that it would be a 330/340 cross section.

14" wider, which would almost invite airlines to add another seat

In article ,
"R J Carpenter" wrote:

My first flight on a United DC-10 they had a self-serve snack bar in the
lounge at the back of coach. YES - lounge.

CO had those too some 20 years ago

In article ,
Thirsty Raccoon wrote:

AJC wrote:
http://boeingmedia.com/images/one.cf...8154&release=t
http://boeingmedia.com/images/one.cf...8156&release=t

I love all those wide open empty spaces, of course no airline would
dream of filling them with seats or galleys or toilets would they?

The entry hall is probably realistic and does look quite futuristic. The
cabins don't look realistic at all.

With a ceiling so high, the folks seated in the middle seats would need to
stand on their seats to reach overhead bins.


Pundits are saying this will invite bunk beds.

In article ,
Dick Locke wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:50:22 GMT, jcoulter
wrote:

AJC wrote in
:

On 18 Nov 2003 08:39:39 -0800, (Holden
McGroyne) wrote:



Some of you may remember the amount of passenger room in the first
747s.



Indeed, as a child I flew on one of the very first Qantas 747 flights.
The aircraft was divided in to one first class and 4 economy cabins.
First class had the Captain Cook lounge upstairs, economy had wide
seats in a comfortable 2-4-3 layout.


I remember the firs articles on 747's with the lounge upstairs and all
the glitz, It was going to make air travel as glamourous as an ocean
liner. I couldn't wait for a chance.

Many many miles later, I got Business class seats on one, upstairs where
the piano bar should have been. Oh well there isn't a card table in
first anymore either.


Was it the 747 or the DC-10 that had a piano bar in the back of coach
on a major US airline? AA?

I remember one on UA or CO and it was midships.

jay
Tue, Nov 18, 2003


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