Question- Plane Travel with Children

Moo wrote:

A question for all of you flyers out there with children. We're
planning on taking a trip with our 2 year old and she'll be on our
lap- the problem is that she'll be 26 months, so technically the
airline should charge us for an extra ticket. Will they actually
check and enforce this rule?

Yes, and if the child were under 2, you should still buy a seat.

"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
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"JohnT" wrote in message
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"pghc" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 20:35:51 +0100, Moo wrote
(in message ) :

A question for all of you flyers out there with children.

Warning, Moo...this is the most children-unfriendly group you
could
ever
imagine, so asking anything to do with clidren will likely provoke
angry
replies. In fact, simply typing the letter c-h-i-l-d might give a
heart
attack to some readers here...so proceed with caution!


Whatever happened to Paul Tauger? Did he become a parent and stop
posting here?

JohnT

I'm still here. I just changed my screen name. PTRAVEL= Paul Tauger.
However, the OP in this thread is clearly a troll (A post about a
26-month
old lap child by someone named "Moo"?), and I try to avoid responding
to
trolls.

Understood! Thank you.

JohnT

I got to sit next to a two year old on a persons lap on a full flight back
from the Dominican republic. Worst flight of my life. got kicked, poked,
sneezed on, food taken from my lunch, head butted, had to listen and deal
with a two year old trying to sit still and be restrained by a seat belt for
4 hours. PLEASE get your child his/her own seat for their safety as well as
the comfort of you and the passengers around you. Plus you need to give your
childs dob when booking, if you lie about their birthdate you can be caught
and forced to pay pull published fares instead of a discounted fare.


"Moo" wrote in message
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A question for all of you flyers out there with children. We're
planning on taking a trip with our 2 year old and she'll be on our
lap- the problem is that she'll be 26 months, so technically the
airline should charge us for an extra ticket. Will they actually
check and enforce this rule?

[ 26 month old lap child ? ]

Yes, they will check.

But since there's no ID required for children on domestic flights, and
most of us don't have any sort of ID for our kids anyway unless they
have a passport, it's your word against theirs.

Also to the point - do you *really* want a wriggly toddler on your
lap for the ENTIRE trip? Probably not.

Well, yeah. I got a seat for my daughter when she was a year old. We
had a car seat that worked in a plane, and she was much less fussy due
to being in her familiar seat.


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John R. Levine wrote:

[ 26 month old lap child ? ]


Yes, they will check.


But since there's no ID required for children on domestic flights, and
most of us don't have any sort of ID for our kids anyway unless they
have a passport, it's your word against theirs.

Not really. My daughter was told to bring a birth certificate when she
talked to Southwest Airlines about her daughter under 2. (Yes, I
advised he against not buying a seat)
Children don't generally need ID for a domestic flight, but they have a
right to require proof the child is under two if they are flying free.

mrtravel wrote in message om...
John R. Levine wrote:

[ 26 month old lap child ? ]


Yes, they will check.


But since there's no ID required for children on domestic flights, and
most of us don't have any sort of ID for our kids anyway unless they
have a passport, it's your word against theirs.

Not really. My daughter was told to bring a birth certificate when she
talked to Southwest Airlines about her daughter under 2. (Yes, I
advised he against not buying a seat)
Children don't generally need ID for a domestic flight, but they have a
right to require proof the child is under two if they are flying free.


Jeez, you guys are harsh. First of all, we always bring along a seat
belt attachment for her, even though US-based airlines advise against
buckling up infants for some reason unknown to us. If you think that
safety is not the top priority for us, you're insane. Second, this is
an international flight, so the fare is like $900. Next, we've flown
this trip many times and we are very conscientious about our child's
behavior, and she's extremly well behaved. We're also aware of
seating arrangements, as we realize that people don't want to be
"bothered" with seeing children nearby, even though they might not try
to interact with them at all. Having said all that, we're going to
buy a ticket for her because we need to have a passport for her, so
there's always the chance of them checking her DOB.

Now, on to the topic of people not liking children on airplanes in
general. People- open your eyes and enjoy the miracle of childhood.
It's okay to look at them, and even talk to them if you want. You
might actually smile. I can understand if they are head-butting you
and taking your food and the parents do nothing about it. That's our
big problem with parents- that they generally don't care what their
kids do and seem annoyed by them. I'll never understand that
behavior.

By the way, that was just a simple question that started this thread-
I didn't mean to spark such hatred. I'm a million mile flyer myself,
and I've never encountered such belligerence from other frequent
flyers.

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(Moo) wrote:

mrtravel wrote in message
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John R. Levine wrote:

[ 26 month old lap child ? ]


Yes, they will check.


But since there's no ID required for children on domestic flights, and
most of us don't have any sort of ID for our kids anyway unless they
have a passport, it's your word against theirs.

Not really. My daughter was told to bring a birth certificate when she
talked to Southwest Airlines about her daughter under 2. (Yes, I
advised he against not buying a seat)
Children don't generally need ID for a domestic flight, but they have a
right to require proof the child is under two if they are flying free.


Jeez, you guys are harsh. First of all, we always bring along a seat
belt attachment for her, even though US-based airlines advise against
buckling up infants for some reason unknown to us. If you think that
safety is not the top priority for us, you're insane. Second, this is
an international flight, so the fare is like $900. Next, we've flown
this trip many times and we are very conscientious about our child's
behavior, and she's extremly well behaved. We're also aware of
seating arrangements, as we realize that people don't want to be
"bothered" with seeing children nearby, even though they might not try
to interact with them at all. Having said all that, we're going to
buy a ticket for her because we need to have a passport for her, so
there's always the chance of them checking her DOB.

Now, on to the topic of people not liking children on airplanes in
general. People- open your eyes and enjoy the miracle of childhood.
It's okay to look at them, and even talk to them if you want. You
might actually smile. I can understand if they are head-butting you
and taking your food and the parents do nothing about it. That's our
big problem with parents- that they generally don't care what their
kids do and seem annoyed by them. I'll never understand that
behavior.

By the way, that was just a simple question that started this thread-
I didn't mean to spark such hatred. I'm a million mile flyer myself,
and I've never encountered such belligerence from other frequent
flyers.

one of the reasons people don't like kids on planes is that selfish
piggies try to haul gigantic toddlers along as 'lap kids' and inflict
them on their hapless seat mates. coach seats are tiny and a two year
old is already a gross imposition though 'legal' -- for parents to try
to take even older children this way is ridiculously inconsiderate.

it doesn't matter how well behaved a child is -- a lap toddler is too
big for the space -- the odds that such a child will not annoy and
impinge on the person in the seat ahead as well as anyone else in the
row is vanishingly small

Airlines should make the lap child cut off 12 mos -- but until they do,
parents should give some thought to the demands they make on other
passengers by trying to be stingy --

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 19:00:46 +0100, Moo wrote
(in message ) :

By the way, that was just a simple question that started this thread-
I didn't mean to spark such hatred. I'm a million mile flyer myself,
and I've never encountered such belligerence from other frequent
flyers.

I warned you, didn't I? ;-)

Paolo

On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 12:20:37 +0100, Mark wrote
(in message ):

Worst flight of my life. got kicked, poked,
sneezed on, food taken from my lunch, head butted, had to listen and deal
with a two year old trying to sit still and be restrained by a seat belt for
4 hours.

Are we perhaps talking exclusively about American children here? In my
experience of both parent and frequent flier I have never seen any of the
horror occurrences you all describe. Then again, I have never been flying an
American airline in or out of the US.

Paolo

Moo wrote:

Jeez, you guys are harsh. First of all, we always bring along a seat
belt attachment for her, even though US-based airlines advise against
buckling up infants for some reason unknown to us. If you think that
safety is not the top priority for us, you're insane. Second, this is
an international flight, so the fare is like $900.

So, we are harsh because you want not give the airline the $900 it is
entitled to for transportation of a 26 month old????j


Next, we've flown
this trip many times and we are very conscientious about our child's
behavior, and she's extremly well behaved.

Aren't they all?

By the way, that was just a simple question that started this thread-
I didn't mean to spark such hatred. I'm a million mile flyer myself,
and I've never encountered such belligerence from other frequent
flyers.

Your goal was for support the airline to carry your 26 month old for
free. You didn't get it. Don't go to a newsgroup anticipating
unconditional support for anything you post.