'Mercury' arriving at Seattle with some sick passengers

"RichC" wrote in message
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It's still surprising that more incidents
haven't broken out on land based hotels (unless the news hasn't publicized
it). All I keep hearing is about all the cruise ship cases. I'm sure
people
aren't any cleaner on land than they are on a ship. Strange.

You do hear about Noroviruses in other environments, such as retirement
homes, schools, camps, conventions. Your average land based hotel has
people coming and going at different times. Let's say a guy checks in,
leaves a Norovirus on the elevator button. A guy then picks up that virus
and checks out. By the time his symptoms show up he is somewhere else.
(Maybe even on a cruise ship....). Since people stay on the cruise ship for
longer than the incubation period it is easier to see a pattern of illness
on a cruise ship.

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"Cathy Kearns" wrote:

"RichC" wrote in message
news
It's still surprising that more incidents
haven't broken out on land based hotels (unless the news hasn't publicized
it). All I keep hearing is about all the cruise ship cases. I'm sure
people
aren't any cleaner on land than they are on a ship. Strange.

You do hear about Noroviruses in other environments, such as retirement
homes, schools, camps, conventions. Your average land based hotel has
people coming and going at different times. Let's say a guy checks in,
leaves a Norovirus on the elevator button. A guy then picks up that virus
and checks out. By the time his symptoms show up he is somewhere else.
(Maybe even on a cruise ship....). Since people stay on the cruise ship for
longer than the incubation period it is easier to see a pattern of illness
on a cruise ship.

And the epidemiology is such that it spreads quicker given the smaller
confines. You have more people than in your average resort, cramped into
many fewer "acres". Spreads quicker.

Kurt Ullman wrote:
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"Cathy Kearns" wrote:

"RichC" wrote in message
news
It's still surprising that more incidents
haven't broken out on land based hotels (unless the news hasn't publicized
it). All I keep hearing is about all the cruise ship cases. I'm sure
people
aren't any cleaner on land than they are on a ship. Strange.

You do hear about Noroviruses in other environments, such as retirement
homes, schools, camps, conventions. Your average land based hotel has
people coming and going at different times. Let's say a guy checks in,
leaves a Norovirus on the elevator button. A guy then picks up that virus
and checks out. By the time his symptoms show up he is somewhere else.
(Maybe even on a cruise ship....). Since people stay on the cruise ship for
longer than the incubation period it is easier to see a pattern of illness
on a cruise ship.

And the epidemiology is such that it spreads quicker given the smaller
confines. You have more people than in your average resort, cramped into
many fewer "acres". Spreads quicker.


Does anyone know the status of the removed captain of the Mercury?
Mark
Homeport:
Monmouth County,NJ

Celebrity Cruiser wrote:


Does anyone know the status of the removed captain of the Mercury?

I seem to recall having heard an unconfirmed rumor that he has
become a Press Agent so that he can supply Ray press releases
to keep Ray's business going.

-- Bob.

This not only happens on the MERCURY,we found it to be so on CARNIVAL
LIBERTY,and NCL CROWN, & WIND.People that use the estrooms,and do not
wash their hands,in my honest opinion are a bunch of pigs,or maybe i
should not insult the animals.


cruise lover

"Surfer E2468" wrote in message
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This not only happens on the MERCURY,we found it to be so on CARNIVAL
LIBERTY,and NCL CROWN, & WIND.People that use the estrooms,and do not
wash their hands,in my honest opinion are a bunch of pigs,or maybe i
should not insult the animals.

That's true, Annie, but the Mercury has been having more than its share of
contagious illnesses..Having just been on her recently, I saw how poorly she
was maintained...I have not seen this as blatant on any of the other cruise
lines..it was just too conspicuous not to be noticed.

As far as poor hygiene, it occurs on any ship that you might take...but it
is especially important to practice good hygiene on ships where there is a
fairly close contact of many people in a confined space for so many days...I
have seen it in restrooms of very nice restaurants on land. Lack of manners,
lack of cleanliness, the way one was brought up or just plain uncaring
attitude, I guess.

--Jean

"Lee Florack" wrote in message
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Jean O'Boyle wrote:
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That's true, Annie, but the Mercury has been having more than its share
of contagious illnesses..Having just been on her recently, I saw how
poorly she was maintained...I have not seen this as blatant on any of the
other cruise lines..it was just too conspicuous not to be noticed.

I was recently (April 7th-17th) on Mercury as well as we cruised the
Mexican Riviera. At that time, the CDC was on board -- as they were for
the previous 4 cruises (at least) due to Norovirus outbreaks. During that
time, the CDC had the crew wipe and spray everything with disinfectant and
not wipe it off. This gave the appearance of a very messy ship. Although
it certainly looked that way, it was required by the CDC as part of their
program to try to eliminate the virus outbreak.

Is that the poor maintenance you're referring to?

No, I meant the soiled upholstery and carpeting...There did not seem to be
much cleaning going on around the ship either.
On most all of our other cruises, we have seen vacuuming and polishing going
on all times of the day, but not so on the Apr.26th sailing...Maybe they
were worn out from all the disinfecting that they had to do on the two
previous sailings when they had the large outbreaks of illness...We saw no
disinfecting, but brought Lysol Wipes and went over everything in our cabin
completely when we first arrived ..We left them on the bathroom counter and
asked our cabin steward to use them. One day we returned and found our
chair and sofa a bit damp all over; as if they had gone over it with a
sanitizing agent..It was dry in a few hours..Our cabin was clean and very
well maintained..it was just the public areas that were not..

--Jean

Jean O'Boyle wrote:
"Lee Florack" wrote in message
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I was recently (April 7th-17th) on Mercury as well as we cruised the
Mexican Riviera. At that time, the CDC was on board -- as they were for
the previous 4 cruises (at least) due to Norovirus outbreaks. During that
time, the CDC had the crew wipe and spray everything with disinfectant and
not wipe it off. This gave the appearance of a very messy ship. Although
it certainly looked that way, it was required by the CDC as part of their
program to try to eliminate the virus outbreak.

Is that the poor maintenance you're referring to?

No, I meant the soiled upholstery and carpeting...There did not seem to be
much cleaning going on around the ship either.
On most all of our other cruises, we have seen vacuuming and polishing going
on all times of the day, but not so on the Apr.26th sailing...Maybe they
were worn out from all the disinfecting that they had to do on the two
previous sailings when they had the large outbreaks of illness...We saw no
disinfecting, but brought Lysol Wipes and went over everything in our cabin
completely when we first arrived ..We left them on the bathroom counter and
asked our cabin steward to use them. One day we returned and found our
chair and sofa a bit damp all over; as if they had gone over it with a
sanitizing agent..It was dry in a few hours..Our cabin was clean and very
well maintained..it was just the public areas that were not..


During our cruise, the crew was not allowed to vacuum or do other
housekeeping-type activities due to the virus outbreak -- that
includes the cleaning the carpeting and upholstery. I'm sure that
the inability to clean anything contributed to the overall poor
appearance of the ship on your cruise. It doesn't take long to make
the ship look bad when you're not allowed to clean anything. On our
cruise, there was a lot of sand in the carpets (no vacuuming) and a
scum-like film on just about everything else from the spraying and
wiping of disinfectant without the ability to clean and polish after
that. Although it was the sloppiest ship I've ever been on, I tried
to understand that it was needed to try to knock down the virus
outbreak that gripped the ship for at least 4 cruises.