Ryanair to abolish check-in desks

On 2009-02-26 08:16:58 +0000, Roland Perry said:

In message , at 03:40:51 on Thu,
26 Feb 2009, Lennart Petersen remarked:
I suspect that people with a "non EU/EAA/Swiss" passport will be asked
to use the bag drop "not a check-in desk honest guv".

And what if they have no luggage? While it may be unusual, it is not at
all impossible on a morning flight to Europe as the person could be
returning that afternoon.

And furthermore it's not unusual nowadays with carry-on luggage only.

Please explain why you think you can evade airline visa checks simply
by carrying hand baggage only.

Ryanair allowance is 8kg handluggage

10kg, actually. Although they don't have the facility to weight it, if
you check in online.


But the baggage /is/ weighed even if you check in 'on-line'. I flew
from Stansted to Lübeck and back over the last weekend with Ryanair and
at the entrance to the security checking areas of both airports were
scales on which I had to place my little wheely case while my passport
and boarding pass were checked.

All they care about is the size. If that is strictly applied, many
people have oversize bags - it's the 20cm maximum "thickness" that is
the biggest problem (that's just 8 inches for us UK-based oldies);
hold-alls and back-packs are almost always bigger than that in every
dimension.

That is a reasonable requirement if you expect that most people will
now not check bags but carry them on to the aircraft. There is just
enough room in the overhead lockers of a Boeing 737-800 to take one
piece of hand baggage of the given size for each passenger if the plane
is full leaving a little extra for coats and things.

and the airline expect that in a near future only one out of five have
checked luggage.

By increasing the price - charging a lot to check in, sorry, "use the
bag drop".


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Robert

In message 2009022610473216807-coppercapped@gmailcom, at 10:47:32 on
Thu, 26 Feb 2009, Robert remarked:

Ryanair allowance is 8kg handluggage

10kg, actually. Although they don't have the facility to weight it,
if you check in online.

But the baggage /is/ weighed even if you check in 'on-line'. I flew
from Stansted to Lübeck and back over the last weekend with Ryanair and
at the entrance to the security checking areas of both airports were
scales on which I had to place my little wheely case while my passport
and boarding pass were checked.

I've never seen such a thing before. And I flew KLM, Ryanair and BMIBaby
last week, Easyjet this week. Presumably they ignore the readout if you
are flying Easyjet?

All they care about is the size. If that is strictly applied, many
people have oversize bags - it's the 20cm maximum "thickness" that is
the biggest problem (that's just 8 inches for us UK-based oldies);
hold-alls and back-packs are almost always bigger than that in every
dimension.

That is a reasonable requirement if you expect that most people will
now not check bags but carry them on to the aircraft.

Whether it's reasonable or not, it's what Ryanair specify (and then
generally ignore). I expect the 20cm measurement is so a bag can go
under a seat.

There is just enough room in the overhead lockers of a Boeing 737-800
to take one piece of hand baggage of the given size for each passenger
if the plane is full leaving a little extra for coats and things.

Is that with the bag resting on its "20cm" dimension, or its "40cm"
dimension?

--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 03:40:51 on Thu, 26
Feb 2009, Lennart Petersen remarked:
I suspect that people with a "non EU/EAA/Swiss" passport will be asked
to use the bag drop "not a check-in desk honest guv".

And what if they have no luggage? While it may be unusual, it is not at
all impossible on a morning flight to Europe as the person could be
returning that afternoon.

And furthermore it's not unusual nowadays with carry-on luggage only.

Please explain why you think you can evade airline visa checks simply by
carrying hand baggage only.

Ryanair allowance is 8kg handluggage

10kg, actually. Although they don't have the facility to weight it, if you
check in online

At STN the security staff do it for them If you have a large bag, unless
you are lucky, they will weigh it and send you back to check in if it is too
heavy for the airline you are using.

The way to avoid this is to have a heavy small bag :-)

All they care about is the size. If that is strictly applied, many people
have oversize bags - it's the 20cm maximum "thickness" that is the biggest
problem (that's just 8 inches for us UK-based oldies); hold-alls and
back-packs are almost always bigger than that in every dimension.

and the airline expect that in a near future only one out of five have
checked luggage.

By increasing the price - charging a lot to check in, sorry, "use the bag
drop".

I personally can't see that forever increasing the price is going to stop Mr
and Mrs normal taking a bag each on holiday, all it does is move them to
another airline.

And as the Mr Businessman, who might be able to travel HL only, probably
uses FR as last resort I can't see this policy helping Molly grow his
airline.

tim




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Roland Perry

"Robert" wrote in message
news:2009022610473216807-coppercapped@gmailcom...
On 2009-02-26 08:16:58 +0000, Roland Perry said:

In message , at 03:40:51 on Thu, 26
Feb 2009, Lennart Petersen remarked:
I suspect that people with a "non EU/EAA/Swiss" passport will be asked
to use the bag drop "not a check-in desk honest guv".

And what if they have no luggage? While it may be unusual, it is not at
all impossible on a morning flight to Europe as the person could be
returning that afternoon.

And furthermore it's not unusual nowadays with carry-on luggage only.

Please explain why you think you can evade airline visa checks simply by
carrying hand baggage only.

Ryanair allowance is 8kg handluggage

10kg, actually. Although they don't have the facility to weight it, if
you check in online.


But the baggage /is/ weighed even if you check in 'on-line'. I flew from
Stansted to Lübeck and back over the last weekend with Ryanair and at the
entrance to the security checking areas of both airports were scales on
which I had to place my little wheely case while my passport and boarding
pass were checked.

All they care about is the size. If that is strictly applied, many people
have oversize bags - it's the 20cm maximum "thickness" that is the
biggest problem (that's just 8 inches for us UK-based oldies); hold-alls
and back-packs are almost always bigger than that in every dimension.

That is a reasonable requirement if you expect that most people will now
not check bags but carry them on to the aircraft. There is just enough
room in the overhead lockers of a Boeing 737-800 to take one piece of hand
baggage of the given size for each passenger if the plane is full leaving
a little extra for coats and things.

Not in the ones that I have been on. IME you can only fit one regulation
sized carry on in each locker as they are not the right shape to take two
(even though the volume is big enough). So that's one person in three gets
to carry on (ignoring the fact that the first two rows lockers are full of
the crew's stuff.

tim

In message , at 11:41:36 on Thu, 26
Feb 2009, tim..... remarked:
I personally can't see that forever increasing the price is going to stop Mr
and Mrs normal taking a bag each on holiday, all it does is move them to
another airline.

From my observations, the average age of pax on the Ryanair flights is
about 25, and almost all carrying a rucksack.

My guess is many are visiting friends, or having a stag/hen/
groups_of_chums party, rather than a classic family holiday.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 11:41:36 on Thu, 26 Feb
2009, tim..... remarked:
I personally can't see that forever increasing the price is going to stop
Mr
and Mrs normal taking a bag each on holiday, all it does is move them to
another airline.

From my observations, the average age of pax on the Ryanair flights is
about 25, and almost all carrying a rucksack.

That is not my experience

you obviously go to different places to me

tim

My guess is many are visiting friends, or having a stag/hen/
groups_of_chums party, rather than a classic family holiday.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 12:01:21 on Thu, 26
Feb 2009, tim..... remarked:
There is just enough
room in the overhead lockers of a Boeing 737-800 to take one piece of hand
baggage of the given size for each passenger if the plane is full leaving
a little extra for coats and things.

Not in the ones that I have been on. IME you can only fit one regulation
sized carry on in each locker as they are not the right shape to take two
(even though the volume is big enough). So that's one person in three gets
to carry on (ignoring the fact that the first two rows lockers are full of
the crew's stuff.

You must have been on a plane in a parallel universe! The -800 overhead
lockers are about the size and shape of a coffin. There is vast amounts
of space, and the shape is right (they are deep enough for the 55cm
dimension, and high enough for the 40cm dimension. That leaves you with
20cm along the airplane for each passenger).

http://www.idealo.co.uk/cat/9113F757...ases-bags.html
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 12:12:30 on Thu, 26
Feb 2009, tim..... remarked:
you obviously go to different places to me

And on different planes, it seems...

--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:02:17 +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 11:41:36 on Thu, 26
Feb 2009, tim..... remarked:
I personally can't see that forever increasing the price is going to stop Mr
and Mrs normal taking a bag each on holiday, all it does is move them to
another airline.

From my observations, the average age of pax on the Ryanair flights is
about 25, and almost all carrying a rucksack.

My guess is many are visiting friends, or having a stag/hen/
groups_of_chums party, rather than a classic family holiday.

Hmmm, not what I've experienced. During the winter, there seem to be lots
of older couples - each person with a wheelie carryon case. There are also
a fair few families, luggaged as above, but with the extra joy of a
screaming toddler and a buggy.
Plus, the flights aren't any emptier than during the summer. So the mad
rush to board is not so much to get a plum seat as to be able to stash
your bag somewhere close to where you'll be sitting.

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 12:12:30 on Thu, 26 Feb
2009, tim..... remarked:
you obviously go to different places to me

And on different planes, it seems...

I haven't flown FR for about 3 years (since they stopped the two a day
flights to MMX) and they did have different planes then.

But I doubt that the passenger mix has changed BICBW.

(and I don't routinely know what type of plane I am on. I barely notice if
it has two big turbines at the back or propellers on the wings or if it was
made by Boeing or Airbus, I certainly don't know if it's a 600 or an 800 -
if indeed both/either of those exist)


tim