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Ryanair to abolish check-in desks
On Feb 22, 9:41*am, Roland Perry wrote:
Passport control is nothing to do with airlines. Of course it is. If the airline flies someone who does not have the credentials to enter the destination country, they get a hefty fine from the authorities (as well as having to arrange to take them back). If a passenger does not have the appropriate documentation he will not be boarded that much is true. However, airlines do not make the decision as to who shall or shall not be admitted to any country. That is why you go through an immigration procedure. Clearance by an airline for boarding does not guarantee entrance at your destination. If it's a low-cost doing a 25 minute turnaround, the plane will usually be long gone by the time the passenger has "failed" immigration checks. In which case the return flight will be fully boarded and probably taken off before all immigration procedures have been completed with respect to the previous incoming flight. There is no requirement for them to carry out a refused entrant on the next possible flight which might, in any case, be full. They do of course have to carry them out eventually and no doubt there is a time limit but the refused entrant will be detained until he is carried out. |
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Ryanair to abolish check-in desks
Am Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:23:34 UTC, schrieb Mel Rowing
auf uk.railway : Passport control is nothing to do with airlines. They check your passport at the boarding gate anyway to ensure that you are the person named on the boarding pass. No, why should they? The check the passport to make sure that the passenger is entitled to enter the country where the flight goes to, so that they avoid fees by the destination country immigration authorities and the costs of transport back. Some countries, like the USA oblige the airlines also with much more of their surveillance demands, like providing 35 or more data of the passenger even before the aircraft has started. So the airline does check the passport not because it wants, but because some government wants it. Cheers, L.W. -- ----------------------------------------------------- |
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Ryanair to abolish check-in desks
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, at 02:23:03 on Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Mel Rowing remarked: On Feb 22, 9:41*am, Roland Perry wrote: Passport control is nothing to do with airlines. Of course it is. If the airline flies someone who does not have the credentials to enter the destination country, they get a hefty fine from the authorities (as well as having to arrange to take them back). If a passenger does not have the appropriate documentation he will not be boarded that much is true. Exactly so. It is that documentation check which will become more "interesting" after Ryanair abolishes check-in desks. However, airlines do not make the decision as to who shall or shall not be admitted to any country. That is why you go through an immigration procedure. Clearance by an airline for boarding does not guarantee entrance at your destination. Of course. But no-one said it did. If it's a low-cost doing a 25 minute turnaround, the plane will usually be long gone by the time the passenger has "failed" immigration checks. In which case the return flight will be fully boarded and probably taken off before all immigration procedures have been completed with respect to the previous incoming flight. That's what I mean by "the plane will usually be long gone by the time the passenger has "failed" immigration checks." There is no requirement for them to carry out a refused entrant on the next possible flight which might, in any case, be full. They do of course have to carry them out eventually and no doubt there is a time limit but the refused entrant will be detained until he is carried out. Indeed, and if they fly to that destination just once a day it'll be a long wait. -- Roland Perry |
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Ryanair to abolish check-in desks
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, at 11:25:24 on Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Lüko Willms remarked: They check your passport at the boarding gate anyway to ensure that you are the person named on the boarding pass. No, why should they? Quite simply, on a commercial level, to prevent people reselling tickets. In more recent times, terrorist concerns mean that the airlines (and not just the governments) want to make sure that the people travelling are the same people who checked bags into the hold. And probably more than you expect, so that various "no fly" lists can be interrogated (not least those of the airline itself if they have banned an unruly passenger). -- Roland Perry |
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Ryanair to abolish check-in desks
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:36:39 +0000, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 09:04:04 on Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Neil Williams remarked: That's a somewhat different agenda, and could be assisted by allowing a much more generous carry-on allowance. The issue with this, apart from that it's the Government and BAA that restrict it by size and to 2 items (all airports now?), The "2 items" is a bid to reduce security queues, but I don't think the *airports* have an agenda to restrict carry-on size, other than as part of a general agreement with the airlines. In fact I think Heathrow is the only airport where I've seen the "does your bag fit" gauges (in the transit area) and policed by security people - rather than at the check-in desk or the gate and policed by the airline staff. From my observations at EMA, the gate gauges are used primarily to extract some extra revenue from passengers whose bags are half an inch too big, rather than to trap those people with hugely oversize bags. Some pax really do take the **** with what they try to drag onto a plane. Since the cheapo airlines charge a lot (in comparison to the cost of a seat) for hold baggage, as you can't use the online checkins, there are a lot of people who will squeeze *everything* into carry-on. From my personal experience, the limitation to the number of people you can get on a low-cost flight is not the number of seats, but the amount of overhead stowage. It seems to me very unsafe - to have people with vast amounts of carry-on on a flight, so restricting it gets my vote. is that there won't be room for it all. Easyjet seems to cope. Didn't Ryanair announce recently that even your shopping has to fit in the "one bag" in order to try to reduce this issue? I noticed such a rule, didn't know how new it was. It's certainly being enforced now. I came back from Murcia recently and I saw three women who's bags were too big. They were being told they had to go in the hold (the bags, not the women) and were not happy, as a result. |
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Happy michaelnewport, nice crosspost copy/paste to get more answers
People are queer, this one just sends an article but has nothing to say
about it. Absolutely nothing. "Lord Truscott of Brownenvelope" a écrit dans le message de ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7903656.stm Ryanair to abolish check-in desks Ryanair aircraft Ryanair says it wants to abolish check-in desks to save money Ryanair has confirmed it plans to close all of its airport check-in desks by the end of the year in a bid to reduce the cost of its flights. From the start of 2010, all Ryanair passengers will need to check in online in order to confirm their flights. Officials at the Irish airline said that, by reducing its costs at airports, savings will be passed on to passengers through lower fares. The carrier said that 75% of its passengers already checked in online. Spokesman Stephen McNamara said the airline saw the move as the "logical next step" in an effort to pass on savings to passengers through reduced fares. Ryanair chief executive Michael O'Leary told the Daily Telegraph that passengers will be able to leave their luggage at a bag drop but otherwise everything will be done online. "Ultimately, we want just one in five people to check in luggage," he said. The carrier said that 97% of passengers booked online already and 75% used the internet to check in. |
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Ryanair to abolish check-in desks
"pete" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:36:39 +0000, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 09:04:04 on Sun, 22 Feb 2009, Neil Williams remarked: That's a somewhat different agenda, and could be assisted by allowing a much more generous carry-on allowance. The issue with this, apart from that it's the Government and BAA that restrict it by size and to 2 items (all airports now?), The "2 items" is a bid to reduce security queues, but I don't think the *airports* have an agenda to restrict carry-on size, other than as part of a general agreement with the airlines. In fact I think Heathrow is the only airport where I've seen the "does your bag fit" gauges (in the transit area) and policed by security people - rather than at the check-in desk or the gate and policed by the airline staff. From my observations at EMA, the gate gauges are used primarily to extract some extra revenue from passengers whose bags are half an inch too big, rather than to trap those people with hugely oversize bags. Some pax really do take the **** with what they try to drag onto a plane. OTOH same airlines TTP with what they *won't* allow you to take. I once tried to carry on a very small bag on an Air Berlin flight and the check in staff wouldn't let me because it was a kilo over their ridiculously tiny weight allowance (5K IIRC) I had to stand there and remove all the heavy, but small Items, and stuff them into my coat pockets (fortunately it was spring and I was wearing one!) tim |
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Ryanair to abolish check-in desks
"Mel Rowing" wrote in message ... On Feb 22, 9:41 am, Roland Perry wrote: Passport control is nothing to do with airlines. Of course it is. If the airline flies someone who does not have the credentials to enter the destination country, they get a hefty fine from the authorities (as well as having to arrange to take them back). If a passenger does not have the appropriate documentation he will not be boarded that much is true. However, airlines do not make the decision as to who shall or shall not be admitted to any country. That is why you go through an immigration procedure. Clearance by an airline for boarding does not guarantee entrance at your destination. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- But the airline still has the task of ensuring that the traveller has the correct documentation. This is the major reason why people get refused entry and the immigration departments have given this task to the carrying airline. tim |
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Ryanair to abolish check-in desks
In message , at 11:04:38 on Sun, 22
Feb 2009, pete remarked: From my observations at EMA, the gate gauges are used primarily to extract some extra revenue from passengers whose bags are half an inch too big, rather than to trap those people with hugely oversize bags. Some pax really do take the **** with what they try to drag onto a plane. The person in front of me today had a trolley-bag that was clearly larger than the allowance (as well as a handbag). But the security people didn't turn a hair; but then neither did they when what looked like two off-duty immigration officials jumped the queue, set off the metal detectors, and didn't even stop walking. I thought airside personnel were supposed to "go through security" in the sense of being checked out in the same way as passengers, not just "that's the door they have to go through, but no checks made". Since the cheapo airlines charge a lot (in comparison to the cost of a seat) for hold baggage, as you can't use the online checkins, there are a lot of people who will squeeze *everything* into carry-on. Easyjet seems to cope. I'll report back on my Easyjet flight today. Last week's Ryanair flight was about 80% full (as per their average loading) and there was plenty of room in the overheads, and almost nothing under any seats. [iirc the official maximum size of a carry-on is also supposed to fit under a seat, although that won't leave much room for feet.] Didn't Ryanair announce recently that even your shopping has to fit in the "one bag" in order to try to reduce this issue? I noticed such a rule, didn't know how new it was. It's certainly being enforced now. I came back from Murcia recently and I saw three women who's bags were too big. They were being told they had to go in the hold (the bags, not the women) I thought you were onto something there... and were not happy, as a result. One lady on my Ryanair flight had to pack her handbag inside her rollerbag, to prove it would fit. Again, not happy, but if I couldn't read, I think I'd be unhappy most of the time. -- Roland Perry |
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Ryanair to abolish check-in desks
On Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:23:34 -0800 (PST), Mel Rowing wrote:
I think I have had my last flight with Ryanair. It's no longer the deal it used to be. My latest jaunt was by Swiss International from London City. I can recommend London City over the others for a start. My flight took me straight into a main airport and not one 100 miles away.We thus saved on transport costs at the other end, We had an allocated seat and refreshments were served en route. It cost us just over £30 extra. If that was Easyjet to Geneva it would double the cost of the flight! -- Chris Game The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance. -Robert R. Coveyou Oak Ridge National Laboratory |
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