Britain turning on US- at its own peril

PJ O'Donovan wrote:
You state that they're anti-semitic for what? Criticising
Israel?

52A1


"If you're not with us, you're against us" seems to be the Fox News
watchers' motto.
--
Tim C.

and also that of the Islamofascists. After all they blow up
children


Max Muir

"Limey" doesn't have to worry. Americans will still have the big bucks
to spend and then they will visit "Londonistan" for their historical
stimulations. Then they will see for themselves what a lovely Mosque
Westminster Abbey became.

The Muslims will not settle for a draughty old pile like
Westminster Abbey when they can get a massive
Islamic village as well as money from the Millenium
Fund.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...892780,00.html

"FiveTwoAlphaOne" MikeOscarPapa.org wrote in message
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Tim C. wrote:
Following up to FiveTwoAlphaOne MikeOscarPapa.org :


You state that they're anti-semitic for what? Criticising
Israel?


"If you're not with us, you're against us" seems to be the Fox News
watchers' motto.

I think that it's clear now that the 'us' in 'us' is somewhat
fractured and now refers to less than 30% of the US population.
The Neocons will no doubt see themselves as a victimized
minority after November 7.

People use the term "us," when they want to be associated
with the presumed majority... you know... the "knowledgable"
(sic)... us. Sheep... sheep... sheep. us... us... us.

"Nothing is more revolting than the majority; for it consists of few
vigorous predecessors, of knaves who accommodate themselves,
of weak people who assimilate themselves, and the mass that
toddles after them without knowing in the least what it wants" --
Goethe

"That the desires of the majority of the people are often for
injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated
by every page of the history of the whole world." -- John Adams

"The voice of the majority is no proof of justice." -- Schiller

"Every effort for progress, for enlightenment, for science, for
religious, political, and economic liberty, emanates from the
minority, and not from the mass." -- Emma Goldman

etc....etc... etc...

Planet Visitor II
Official publisher of AADP Official dictionary
http://www.planetvisitor.name/dictionary.html

--
MikeOscarPapa

"Max Muir" wrote in message
ups.com...

PJ O'Donovan wrote:
You state that they're anti-semitic for what? Criticising
Israel?

52A1


"If you're not with us, you're against us" seems to be the Fox News
watchers' motto.
--
Tim C.

and also that of the Islamofascists. After all they blow up
children


Max Muir

"Limey" doesn't have to worry. Americans will still have the big bucks
to spend and then they will visit "Londonistan" for their historical
stimulations. Then they will see for themselves what a lovely Mosque
Westminster Abbey became.

The Muslims will not settle for a draughty old pile like
Westminster Abbey when they can get a massive
Islamic village as well as money from the Millenium
Fund.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...892780,00.html

Holy ****!!!! Is that a _glub...glub... glub_ I hear with U.K. secularism
going down the tube? Do you think this will be finished before
9/11 of next year in order to hold all the fanatic Islamists wanting
to cram themselves in to celebrate, thus avoiding doing so -- in
the streets?


Planet Visitor II
Official publisher of AADP Official dictionary
http://www.planetvisitor.name/dictionary.html

On 25 Oct 2006 13:47:49 -0700, "Max Muir"
wrote:

and also that of the Islamofascists. After all they blow up
children and other Muslims who are near the Kuf'r, for
example, Iraqi men queuing up to get a job as an Iraqi
policeman.

you need to get a grasp on the idea that criticism of US war in Iraq
does not imply anyone thinks fundamentalist moslems are good guys. The
world isnt that simple.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/page01.htm"
(see website for email)

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:02:39 +0200, "John of Aix"
wrote:

Now the only
question is how to leave the Iraqis to it and get out with a semblance
of dignity.

and leave behind other than a extremist islamic state. Maybe
encouraging break up into three would at least weaken them but its a
****ing disaster and it wouldnt be too extreme to execute Bush or
somebody for it. At least a little justice for the dead soldiers and
600,000(?) dead Iraqis + all the "collaborators" who will presumably
be murdered as soon as US gets fed up with the casualties and gives
up. The west would have done well to give more support to the Shah and
Saddam Hussein.
What pillock thought you could impose a liberal democracy on murderous
tribal fanatics? I pity the educated Iraqis.
Let hope i'm wrong.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/page01.htm"
(see website for email)

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:18:30 +0200, "John of Aix"
wrote:

I'm afraid there ARE still many fools here who believe it!
the U.S. education system is rather lax when it comes to
instilling logical reasoning. (Although it requires a
certain measure of intelligence to distinguish between logic
and illogic, it's largely a skill, and CAN be taught.)

I'm not sure it is question of logical reasoning, a few simple geography
and history lessons woulddo them the power of good.

would I be right in saying more diversity in the media would make a
big difference, I think its already been said here that in red states
people may not see the other points of view and facts?
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/page01.htm"
(see website for email)

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 06:04:19 +1000, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
wrote:

The Grauniad is about as left of centre a newspaper as I've ever
encountered.

certainly left of centre but not "ultra left" is PJ defending his post
BTW?
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/page01.htm"
(see website for email)

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:58:06 +0200, Dave Frightens Me
wrote:

Wrong. Fury at Prime Minister Blair for being President Bush's "poodle"
has reached such a pitch that the most successful Labor prime minister
in memory is being forced out of office because of his support for U.S.
policy in Iraq and Israel.

Oddly, most Americans would now like to do that to Bush. Pity they're
slow learners.

and although Blair has been successful in staying in office against a
collapsed tory party his policies have not always been very
successful, he has managed to spend on the NHS and simultaneously make
cuts while reorganising it constantly to no effect, for instance. Many
in his own party, except those who value power over principle,
probably never liked him or his policies and his style of presidential
government is unpopular.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/page01.htm"
(see website for email)

On 25 Oct 2006 15:44:46 -0700, "Gregory Morrow"
wrote:

I like the _Independent_, they've a nice "Motoring" section :-)

The Torygraph is good for that, unhindered by anti-car guilt :-)
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/page01.htm"
(see website for email)

The Reid wrote:

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 22:02:39 +0200, "John of Aix"
wrote:

Now the only
question is how to leave the Iraqis to it and get out with a semblance
of dignity.

and leave behind other than a extremist islamic state. Maybe
encouraging break up into three would at least weaken them but its a
****ing disaster and it wouldnt be too extreme to execute Bush or
somebody for it. At least a little justice for the dead soldiers and
600,000(?) dead Iraqis + all the "collaborators" who will presumably
be murdered as soon as US gets fed up with the casualties and gives
up.

The latter is a good point. The so-called 'democratic government' there
is largely manufactured, and completely cut-off (due to the ongoing
violence) from the rest of the country. I would be surprised if it
lasted a few minutes following the withdrawal of the US and the UK.
Well, I should just say the US, as the UK will have to do whatever they
do. Even US Republican politicians are getting at the very least
'embarrassed' by this. Bush is becoming less popular. I don't know what
the results of the polls will be in November there, but it would be
bloody wonderful if the government there actually impeached the
President for something worth impeaching him for. I'd say lying to the
country and the world and blundering into a country to settle old
scores, at the expense of half a million Iraqi lives and the security of
the rest of the world, would be worth impeaching him for.

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