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CO Changes Elite And Upgrade Policies for 2004
Reef Fish wrote:
An example of the above is that 1 Million CO FFM can be exchanged to 2M Hilton Honors Hotel points -- an exchange rate better than the FFM of any other airline. It is also the same for AA, so much for "better .. than any" (and probably for others, but I just called AA about this) I know the difference because I had AMEX pts You get 1300 Hilton pts for 1000 AMEX pts But first I traded at a rate of 1000 HH points for 1000 CO miles Then I traded CO miles to HH at 1000 to 2000. So the AMEX conversion after going through CO gave me 2000 HH pts instead of 1300. |
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CO Changes Elite And Upgrade Policies for 2004
mrtravel wrote in message igy.com...
Reef Fish wrote: An example of the above is that 1 Million CO FFM can be exchanged to 2M Hilton Honors Hotel points -- an exchange rate better than the FFM of any other airline. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...&output=gplain #You can find out these "exchange/conversion" rates from the airline #or Hilton. Here's just an easy example: # #1000 FFM (CO) --- 2000 HH Points #1000 FFM (AA) --- 1000 HH Points That was Aug 2002. It is also the same for AA, so much for "better .. than any" (and probably for others, but I just called AA about this) If that's true of AA miles now, 2HH for 1 AA mile, I would gladly exchange ALL my AA FFM points at that rate to HH points. :-)) I just called AA about this too. It's definitely NOT that way. The agent gave some ridiculous rate of 10,000 HH points to exchange 1,500 AA miles. And when I asked for AA miles to HH points, the AA agent suggested that I call Hilton. I did and the Hilton Diamond line which has this info is closed now. I know the difference because I had AMEX pts You get 1300 Hilton pts for 1000 AMEX pts But first I traded at a rate of 1000 HH points for 1000 CO miles You DON'T get that exchange in HH points to CO miles. You get only 500 CO miles for 1000 HH points! I know THAT for a fact. Because I had just exchanged 300,000 CO miles to 600,000 HH points, and if I could exchange those 600,000 HH points back to 600,000 CO miles,... I owuld have doubled my CO miles just through the exchange. :-) You are definitely wrong about that, mrtravel. When time permits, I'll look into what the CURRENT exchange is for AA miles vs HH points, WITHOUT any AMEX games being played in the middle. I suggest you do the same. I'll be travelling again, so perhaps you'll get the info before I do -- but just leave out ANY CREDIT CARD in the middle of the exchange. Strictly airline MILES vs HH points. -- Bob. |
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CO Changes Elite And Upgrade Policies for 2004
Reef Fish wrote:
If that's true of AA miles now, 2HH for 1 AA mile, I would gladly exchange ALL my AA FFM points at that rate to HH points. :-)) I just called AA about this too. It's definitely NOT that way. The agent gave some ridiculous rate of 10,000 HH points to exchange 1,500 AA miles. And when I asked for AA miles to HH points, the AA agent suggested that I call Hilton. I did and the Hilton Diamond line which has this info is closed now. So like someone cluseless. To change HH pts to AA miles, you call HHonors To change AA miles to HH points you call AA, since you are redeeming AA miles. The award code is something like H10XX20 or something like that for trading 10K AA miles for 20K HH pts. I called AA Platinum Number They gave me another 800 number to call. I called it and got 2 HH pts for every AA mile It was changed at some point, but I don't remember when I found the AA doc on the conversion in both directions 1. go to aa.com 2. select Aadvantage, Partners and mileage progam, hotels, hilton hotels You will see a web page that contains the text below.. Minimum coversion is 5000 AA miles. There is a fax number, but the AA service rep gave me another toll free number to call to handle it over the phone. She indicated the phone request option was new (August) The page, in addition to the 5K AA to 10K HH also describes the 10000 HH pts to get 1500 AA miles *&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Using AAdvantage Miles Convert your AAdvantage miles into HHonors points in increments of 5,000 miles. A minimum conversion amount of 5,000 miles is required for each transaction. AAdvantage Miles For HHonors Points 5,000 ? 10,000 To exchange AAdvantage miles for HHonors points, mail or FAX your request to: AAdvantage Marketing Programs PO Box 619688 Dallas/Fort Worth Airport, TX 75261-9688 FAX: 817-963-7882 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& I know the difference because I had AMEX pts You get 1300 Hilton pts for 1000 AMEX pts But first I traded at a rate of 1000 HH points for 1000 CO miles You DON'T get that exchange in HH points to CO miles. You get only 500 CO miles for 1000 HH points! Sorry, I meant 1000 AMX pts for 1000 CO miles THen 1000 CO miles for 2000 HH pts. The end result got me 2000 HH pts for each 1000 AMX pts Without the skip through CO I would get 1300 HH Pts for 1000 HH directly. |
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CO Changes Elite And Upgrade Policies for 2004
Here's the AA link for the 5K AA to 10K HH conversion and the 10000 HH to 1500 AA conversion (via tinyurl as the link is long an may mess up some people) http://tinyurl.com/o13u Cheers, Michael |
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CO Changes Elite And Upgrade Policies for 2004
The current AA 5K to HH 10K award info and the HH 10k to AA 1500 info is at
http://tinyurl.com/o13u Or http://www.aa.com/apps/AAdvantage/Vi...artnersContent |
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CO Changes Elite And Upgrade Policies for 2004
mrtravel wrote:
The current AA 5K to HH 10K award info and the HH 10k to AA 1500 info is at http://tinyurl.com/o13u Or http://www.aa.com/apps/AAdvantage/Vi...artnersContent A CO side note, since that is where this thread started.... When I converted my CO miles the last time, CO indicated it was ending the ability to convert to HH points. |
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CO Changes Elite And Upgrade Policies for 2004
One ADVANTAGE of posting via groups.google.com is that both the post
AND replies to it are DELAYED (in appearing in the same) 3 to 9 hours! The delay is an advantage because it gives on time to reflect over matters and check for FACTS before blurting out ill-thought-out replies. One advantage of being on a trip which does NOT have convenient access to ngs is the ability to reply to SEVERAL posts all at once, pooling together all the relevant pieces, in a more coherent way, than in many separate fragments. This is an example of such. In mrtravel's FOURTH follow-up to my post, mrtravel wrote in message igy.com... mrtravel wrote: The current AA 5K to HH 10K award info and the HH 10k to AA 1500 info That is correct. But look at the ASYMMETRY in the exchange rate! It's more easily seen with the zeros and directions of exchange put in: AA 5,000 ----- HH 10,000 AA 1,500 ----- HH 10,000 That seems to mean the DEVALUATION of both the HH points and the AA miles, A CO side note, since that is where this thread started.... When I converted my CO miles the last time, CO indicated it was ending the ability to convert to HH points. That is also correct, since 9/1/2003 -- which I didn't realize until now! I don't think any flyer with the right mind would exchange 10,000 HH points for merely 1,500 miles of that airline! So, lets go back to where the subthread started, and when I last posted. mrtravel's FOUR posts of Sept 20 (as follow-ups to my one post on the same date, correcting ONE specific piece of his posted misinformation) could have been summarized in a single sentence: *** CO, AA, and HH have ALL changed rules of reward/point exchange since those given in RF's post of August 2002. *** The current point-exchange info can be found in the CO, AA, and HH webpages. In the post to which mrtravel replied, I gave this: RF#You can find out these "exchange/conversion" rates from the airline RF#or Hilton. Here's just an easy example: RF# RF#1000 FFM (CO) --- 2000 HH Points RF#1000 FFM (AA) --- 1000 HH Points RF RFThat was Aug 2002. None of which holds now, but I did say in the same post: RFWhen time permits, I'll look into what the CURRENT exchange is RFfor AA miles vs HH points, WITHOUT any AMEX games being played RFin the middle. I suggest you do the same. To put mrtravel's FOUR follow-ups into context, this was the KEY STATEMENT which prompted nearly all the comments mrtravel clipped (from my post) while snipping all the relevant discussion in my post, which I am bringing back in order to make a coherent reply to FOUR of mrtravel's posts, in ONE: mrtravel But first I traded at a rate of 1000 HH points for 1000 CO miles (That was the specific piece of misinfor I mentioned above). RF You DON'T get that exchange in HH points to CO miles. RF You get only 500 CO miles for 1000 HH points! RF RF I know THAT for a fact. Because I had just exchanged RF 300,000 CO miles to 600,000 HH points, To be precise, since April 2003, I have converted 270,000 CO miles into 540,000 HH points. (Stilll have plenty of unused CO miles). CO terminated its point-exchange program (BOTH ways), since Sept 1, 2003. So did most airlines discontinued their FFM exchange for HH points program. http://www.hilton.com/en/hhonors/rew...change_1.jhtml ************************************************** ************ The updated exchange info would simply be: AA 5,000 ----- HH 10,000 AA 1,500 ----- HH 10,000 The exchange program between CO and HH ceased on Sept 1, 2003. ************************************************** ************ Regarding the rest of my comments and mrtravel's follow-ups: regarding CO and AA have the same exchange and 1000 HH for 1000 CO: RF I just called AA about this too. It's definitely NOT that way. RF The agent gave some ridiculous rate of 10,000 HH points to RF exchange 1,500 AA miles. And when I asked for AA miles to HH points, RF the AA agent suggested that I call Hilton. I did and the Hilton RF Diamond line which has this info is closed now. It turned out what I called "ridiculous rate of 10,000 HH points to exchange 1,500 AA miles" was true! :-) But that same AA agent did NOT know how AA miles exchange to HH points! So like someone cluseless. You might say so for that AA agent! :-) To change HH pts to AA miles, you call HHonors To change AA miles to HH points you call AA, since you are redeeming AA miles. But in the reported phone call, I wasn't redeeming anything -- I was merely ASKING for the information about the current exchange -- FROM an AA agent. It was strange that she knew the exchange of HH points to AA, but not AA miles to HH. RF If that's true of AA miles now, 2HH for 1 AA mile, I would gladly RF exchange ALL my AA FFM points at that rate to HH points. :-)) And I DID, today, since I have no use for any AA miles, and 90,000 HH points converted from 45,000 AA miles will enable me to stay free at a London Hilton for 6 nights each of which would have cost about $260 USD. 6 x $260 = $1560 USD. 45K AA miles are worth nominally only $900 USD. So, that exchange was actually more favorable than using the AA miles. AA will snail me a statement to mail to HH for the exchange -- that's how AA works, unlike CO (before 9/1/03) when my 540,000 HH points were directly exchanged from my OnePass accout to my HHonors account. To ME, it all makes sense (in the FREE MARKET). Also, to ME, there is no question that the CO Elite Program (especially the Platinum) beats AA's hands down, because of my unlimited domestic Elite upgrade history, not to mention other CO advantages that is too complicated to go into here. YMMV. -- Bob. |
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CO Changes Elite And Upgrade Policies for 2004
Reef Fish wrote:
In mrtravel's FOURTH follow-up to my post, mrtravel wrote in message igy.com... mrtravel wrote: The current AA 5K to HH 10K award info and the HH 10k to AA 1500 info That is correct. But look at the ASYMMETRY in the exchange rate! It's more easily seen with the zeros and directions of exchange put in: AA 5,000 ----- HH 10,000 AA 1,500 ----- HH 10,000 That seems to mean the DEVALUATION of both the HH points and the AA miles, Yes, but how you value the miles or points depends on your goal. I need the HH miles to hit a target for a Elite award that had a deadline before the price in HH points went up substantially. I also had 10K CO points to dump since I never fly CO. I don't see how it is a devaluation of the AA miles since you now get double the Hilton points then was noted in the old post. |
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Reef Fish wrote: One ADVANTAGE of posting via groups.google.com is that both the post AND replies to it are DELAYED (in appearing in the same) 3 to 9 hours! The delay is an advantage because it gives on time to reflect over matters and check for FACTS before blurting out ill-thought-out replies. Most of us have the brains to THINK before we POST.... Plus which, Google does not have a killfile function, so that means that those that "Usenet" through Google are forced to endure your lamely corny posts. Whether they like it or not.... One advantage of being on a trip which does NOT have convenient access to ngs is the ability to reply to SEVERAL posts all at once, pooling together all the relevant pieces, in a more coherent way, than in many separate fragments. This is an example of such. Are you "real" or are you an "act"....???? -- Best Greg |
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CO Changes Elite And Upgrade Policies for 2004
mrtravel wrote in message om...
Reef Fish wrote: In mrtravel's FOURTH follow-up to my post, mrtravel wrote in message igy.com... mrtravel wrote: The current AA 5K to HH 10K award info and the HH 10k to AA 1500 info That is correct. But look at the ASYMMETRY in the exchange rate! It's more easily seen with the zeros and directions of exchange put in: AA 5,000 ----- HH 10,000 AA 1,500 ----- HH 10,000 That seems to mean the DEVALUATION of both the HH points and the AA miles, Yes, but how you value the miles or points depends on your goal. I need the HH miles to hit a target for a Elite award that had a deadline before the price in HH points went up substantially. I also had 10K CO points to dump since I never fly CO. That's a good reason for YOU to dump CO miles, as the reason for ME to dump AA miles, and I even fly AA occasionally, such as later this week. I don't see how it is a devaluation of the AA miles since you now get double the Hilton points then was noted in the old post. Yes, but the NEW HH points are greatly devaluated. One way to see the devaluation is to see that 10,000 HH points is now worth only 1,500 airline miles (AA or other) instead of 5,000 earlier this year. The other info about the devaluation of HH points is that there are new HH point-award codes that charge MORE HH points for the same awards that had cost less HH points earlier this year. I know, because I am a Diamond member of HH, and I have been using HH points, by the hundred-thousands. -- Bob. |
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