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Are Cruise Lines Paying Their Way in the Caribbean?
Article reviews the cruise industry's contribution to the Caribbean
Region: http://www.virginislandsdailynews.co...al?id=11400666 Aloha |
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Are Cruise Lines Paying Their Way in the Caribbean?
This article was written by Sir Ronald Sanders, a former diplomat.
"Diplomat" is a nice way of saying "bleeding heart liberal." "Mark O. Polo" wrote in message ... Article reviews the cruise industry's contribution to the Caribbean Region: http://www.virginislandsdailynews.co...al?id=11400666 Aloha |
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Are Cruise Lines Paying Their Way in the Caribbean?
What a change has ocurred in the cruise industry. During the 70"s and
80's you stay in port for longer periods of time, When some islands like Martinique VI, Guadalope raised docking fees the industry cut short or eliminated some stops. More time to nickel and dime you onboard. |
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Are Cruise Lines Paying Their Way in the Caribbean?
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 22:18:42 -0500, Lauren wrote:
This article was written by Sir Ronald Sanders, a former diplomat. "Diplomat" is a nice way of saying "bleeding heart liberal." Gee, at least we have hearts. http://www.punkvoter.com/anim/anim-idiot.html |
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Are Cruise Lines Paying Their Way in the Caribbean?
"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message nk.net... In article , The big hole in the discussion is what I would call "support". The cruise ship denizens require relatively little in the way of infrastructure to support them. They require no sprawling hotels (interestingly the persons who paid for the study), they don't use roads, have an impact on utilities, generate less trash, etc, etc., anywhere near as intensively as those who stay. Yet they spend a bunch. As long as the governments get their money back in docking fees, they are ahead of the game. They don't require hotels, they do require docks, preferably piers so the ships don't have to tender. They do require roads, and enough roads to get all the people off the ship and to destinations. To see how much infrastructure cruises require look at the Skagway in Alaska. Without cruise ships that town would pretty much not exist, all that was infrastructure, from the ports to the roads to the shops was built for cruise lines. Look at the private islands, all that was built was for the cruise ships. Even look at ports like San Francisco or Lahaina, read the local papers and see what the local government has to spend on port infrastructure to get the cruise lines to make them a permanent stop. As the ships get bigger the port facilities need to expand to be able to handle the bigger ships and larger number of people, which costs the ports more money. It also does not surprise me that the hotels are the ones that paid for the study. The hotels are the ones the ones on these small islands that will lose clientele if the island is over run from 10am to 6pm by 20K day tourists. People looking for resorts on small quiet islands with uncrowded beaches will skip those that take in many large ships and go for the resorts on islands the large cruise ships can't make it to. So, for the hotels, unless they can provide a relaxing ambienance, they won't be able to fill their hotels. And the island economy may depend on their tourism model. Skagway closes in the winter, during cruise season they bring in seasonal workers. Can the islanders make this type of economy work for them? Or do they need the year round (and 24 hour) economy provided by hotel resorts? |
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Are Cruise Lines Paying Their Way in the Caribbean?
Cathy:
While you are right on when you say that Skagway has thrived on cruise visits that cannot be said for Lahaina which was much as it is today before the cruise ships restarted visiting Maui. Aloha |
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Are Cruise Lines Paying Their Way in the Caribbean?
Lahaina is an example of a port that isn't interested in making the big
changes, and so aren't winning the big ships. When ships first restarted anchoring in Lahaina (and other Hawaiian ports) I remember reading on this list about how cruisers were disappointed how long it took to tender to Lahaina, and how there were not enough facilities (read rental cars and tours) once they got there. They did add tenders, which causes boating traffic jams in the harbor with the whale watching/snorkeling ships. (The whale watching ships alone can cause traffic jams, adding the tenders just make it worse.) They do bring rental cars closer to the docks, but they still lose out to Kahalui on the bigger, non-weekly ships. And I wonder how Lahaina does economy-wise with these ships. I know due to bad experiences last time I wandered into Lahaina on a ship in port day, we look carefully before we travel from Wailea down to Lahaina. Often we skip Lahaina if we can't fit a non-ship day into our schedule, and take whale watching or snorkeling trips out of Maalea harbor. (Which is closer, but not as fun to wander around afterwards.) So the ships do scare away some tourists. It's a question of whether it is a net gain for Lahaina. "Mark O. Polo" wrote in message ... Cathy: While you are right on when you say that Skagway has thrived on cruise visits that cannot be said for Lahaina which was much as it is today before the cruise ships restarted visiting Maui. Aloha |
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Are Cruise Lines Paying Their Way in the Caribbean?
In article , "Cathy
Kearns" wrote: They don't require hotels, they do require docks, preferably piers so the ships don't have to tender. They do require roads, and enough roads to get all the people off the ship and to destinations. To see how much infrastructure cruises require look at the Skagway in Alaska. Without cruise ships that town would pretty much not exist, all that was infrastructure, from the ports to the roads to the shops was built for cruise lines. Look at the private islands, all that was built was for the cruise ships. Even look at ports like San Francisco or Lahaina, read the local papers and see what the local government has to spend on port infrastructure to get the cruise lines to make them a permanent stop. As the ships get bigger the port facilities need to expand to be able to handle the bigger ships and larger number of people, which costs the ports more money. But that isn't the same as Caribbean that has to build everything for the "regular" tourists. You don't see anyone suggesting that the airlines should pay some great extra tarriff for the damage they "inflict" yet they bring people to the island who stay there, require hotels, lots of transportation, etc. And you can make the same statements about the bigger and bigger ships that you did with the airlines when the 747 came out and all the worrying about how anyone can possibly land the new Airbus jumbo w/o building all these new buildings,etc. The private islands are just that. Also, many of the incentives are very similar to what US cities do to bring in the next big manufacturing plant or warehouse or whatever. When your main biz is tourism you pay the incentives to bring in tourists instead of auto plants. It also does not surprise me that the hotels are the ones that paid for the study. The hotels are the ones the ones on these small islands that will lose clientele if the island is over run from 10am to 6pm by 20K day tourists. People looking for resorts on small quiet islands with uncrowded beaches will skip those that take in many large ships and go for the resorts on islands the large cruise ships can't make it to. So, for the hotels, unless they can provide a relaxing ambienance, they won't be able to fill their hotels. And the island economy may depend on their tourism model. Skagway closes in the winter, during cruise season they bring in seasonal workers. Can the islanders make this type of economy work for them? Or do they need the year round (and 24 hour) economy provided by hotel resorts? -- "Distracting a politician from governing is like distracting a bear from eating your baby." --PJ O'Rourke |
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"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message nk.net... But that isn't the same as Caribbean that has to build everything for the "regular" tourists. You don't see anyone suggesting that the airlines should pay some great extra tarriff for the damage they "inflict" yet they bring people to the island who stay there, require hotels, lots of transportation, etc. And you can make the same statements about the bigger and bigger ships that you did with the airlines when the 747 came out and all the worrying about how anyone can possibly land the new Airbus jumbo w/o building all these new buildings,etc. I think the discussions in the Caribbean newspapers are very much the same discussions cities have when they start thinking about expanding airports. Do we want that many more planes/ships coming here? Would it be positive or negative for our local economy? Airlines aren't the best example, as they only come if people want to come. You don't see airlines building airports in places there is not already a tourist infrastructure. Better examples would be the mega resorts. And I'm sure the same articles pop up in the papers. Do we want/need this many tourists? The private islands are just that. I only brought up the private islands for the guy who thought cruise ports require no infrastructure. If that were true the cruise lines would not have to build any infrastructure on their private island, and yet they do, to make the stops pleasing to their guests. Also, many of the incentives are very similar to what US cities do to bring in the next big manufacturing plant or warehouse or whatever. When your main biz is tourism you pay the incentives to bring in tourists instead of auto plants. And that is the discussion the islands are having. Bringing in cruise tourists make some amount of seasonal day trip money. Bringing in resort tourists make some amount of year round (though there is likely a low season) 24hour/7 day a week guests. Obviously the cruise tourists bring in less money than those tourist staying on the island, as they don't need to eat there, or pay for accomodations. Can they have both? Does having too many cruise tourists cut into the resort tourists? Is is enough to want to curb the cruise tourists? I do think it's unfair to say cruises are less ecofriendly than the land based resorts. I think on that score they run about even. |
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