Time to stop flying?

William Black wrote:

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Then you don't understand the work. That's a bit like saying that
professional musicians can't possibly enjoy playing music at home after
doing
it at work.

They practice at home.

They also play the stuff they want to play.

When you get paid you play what they pay you for.

They may not be the same thing.

Top level pianists will generally play what they want, or in some cases
give a selection of what they want to play, and the promoters can
choose. In any case, audiences often want to hear what these pianists
'specialise' in. Same thing for famous string quartets IME. Orchestral
and session players are often in a situation where they're not playing
what they'd rather be playing...

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Martin wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:49:42 +0100, (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

Martin wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:18:26 +0100, (David Horne, _the_
chancellor (*)) wrote:

Mike.... wrote:

Following up to vid Horne, _the_ chancellor

Nothing wrong with learning on an electronic piano for amateurs. You
won't become a highly trained classical pianist that way.

but you could learn the basics, couldnt you?

Yes, except in my analogy I'm equating the concert pianist with
someone who can actually fly a plane.

I dont really follow the above.
You can learn basic piano fingering on an electronic instrument, you
can* familiarise yourself with a lot of navigation on MSFS.

And you won't become either a classical pianist or pilot by only using
electronic keyboards or MSFS.

Am I one of the only people to have flown a plane before he drove a car?

Nope! Me too...

Did anybody ask you if you could drive?

Scary driving for the first time and using your feet wasn't it? )

By the time I learned to drive, I hadn't had those flying lessons for
years!

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William Black wrote:

"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" wrote in message
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Mike.... wrote:

Following up to vid Horne, _the_ chancellor

Nothing wrong with learning on an electronic piano for amateurs. You
won't become a highly trained classical pianist that way.

but you could learn the basics, couldnt you?

Yes, except in my analogy I'm equating the concert pianist with someone
who can actually fly a plane.

I dont really follow the above.
You can learn basic piano fingering on an electronic instrument, you can*
familiarise yourself with a lot of navigation on MSFS.

And you won't become either a classical pianist or pilot by only using
electronic keyboards or MSFS.

The only concert pianist I know took lessons.

Actually, just about every professional musician, including old folkies
like myself, took lessons at some point. There are very few self-taught
professional musicians.

I wasn't arguing otherwise.

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onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Mike.... wrote:

Following up to Tim C.

You haven't been reading your New Scientists again Mike, have you?

no, subscription went wrong! Frankly I dont believe it.

hard graft = mediocre
hard graft + talent = success

I think that's an equation which perhaps comforts some people who maybe
didn't work hard enough. I see no evidence of it in the teaching I do.

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onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Tim C. wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:36:01 +0100, vid Horne, _the_
chancellor wrote:

You're saying "only completely different to a highly trianed pianist"
and I'm pointing out why not.

Anyone can /tell/ the difference but it'll take a great pianist to /expose/
the differences.

Not really. A complete amateur on both instruments exposes the
differences- the main one being the sound.

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Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Tim C. wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:47:21 +0100, vid Horne, _the_
chancellor wrote:

Tim C. wrote:

a veritable fountain of knowledge on the breast-feeding groups,

Does he post in groups like that?!

I'm afraid so. Or at least he did.

Oh, dear. What does he think of 7-year olds being breast-fed?

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Tim C. wrote:

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:56:13 +0100, Mike.... wrote:

They are completely different instruments to anyone with a reasonable
level of understanding of them.

only completely different to a highly trianed pianist, to the wider world,
they are two things with no other things between them.

And there is the crux. Anyone who doesn't really know the difference
between a real quality piano and a casio 9V jobbie might just think they
are the same.

A great musician will sound great on even a crappy instrument.
A crappy player will still sound crappy on a great instrument. But might
sound half decent on a bad one.

I've never seen evidence of that. A crappy player sounds crappy on any
instrument.

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onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

"David Horne, _the_ chancellor (*)" wrote in message
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Mike.... wrote:

Following up to vid Horne, _the_ chancellor

Nothing wrong with learning on an electronic piano for amateurs. You
won't become a highly trained classical pianist that way.

but you could learn the basics, couldnt you?

Yes, except in my analogy I'm equating the concert pianist with someone
who can actually fly a plane.

I dont really follow the above.
You can learn basic piano fingering on an electronic instrument, you can*
familiarise yourself with a lot of navigation on MSFS.

And you won't become either a classical pianist or pilot by only using
electronic keyboards or MSFS.



Unless, of course, you are a supremely clever being such as Mixi.
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JohnT

Following up to vid Horne, _the_ chancellor

Probably, but you can fly younger than you can drive- or at least that
used to be the case. I've not done either for a long time...

so was that as a certified pilot, or as a trainee with another pilot?

What do you think? I've mentioned this before.

Not in a thread I read I suspect. Lets guess, qualified on 757s?
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Following up to vid Horne, _the_ chancellor

By the time I learned to drive, I hadn't had those flying lessons for
years!

the point I was making about flying lessons is they can be an end in
themselves, lots of people do that with no intention of using a plane.
Driving lessons are a practical means to an end. Hey! How did you get to
the airfield??????
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