Time to stop flying?

Mike.... wrote:

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I didnt say anything about people not knowing they had aptitude.

I'm rejecting your fuzzy notion of aptitude.

fuzzy is it? All people have equal abilities, do they?

No.

Are you saying these prodigies who master the violin or maths at
improbable ages are doing it just be work rate?

would *any* child given the opportunity and doing the work do as well?

Many would.

not all then, thats my point.

You're not making a point here. You have no way of proving that a young
prodigy was inately going to turn out that way. What goes into all of
this is a very complex equation, despite your attempts to simplify it
into the talented and the untalanted.

clearly a child with an obvious learning difficulty or physical imparement
would not. The same must be true of less obvious lack of ability by degree.

This is quite obvious.

that I have happened upon a new brand of PCness?

What's PC about it?

believing everybody is equal in ability

Not what I said.

I think it's rather un-PC in fact, the view I'm taking. That is, people
aren't lacking ability-

but we dont start equal. Thats why we make a point of talking only about
equal *opportunities*

That's not relevant here.

but they often lack the other valuable assets
required- such as a penchant for hard work.

they might or might not. (you are there admitting talent is a factor by the
way)

If hard work is talent, then so be it.

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Following up to vid Horne, _the_ chancellor

You suspect wrong. I had a couple of flying lessons when a teenager.

mixi
you never stated if you qualified.
/mixi

I didn't need to.

you could have been a prodigy

I meant what I said- it wouldn't have made a difference.

i think you took that a little too seriously
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You're not making a point here. You have no way of proving that a young
prodigy was inately going to turn out that way. What goes into all of
this is a very complex equation, despite your attempts to simplify it
into the talented and the untalanted.

I'm not trying to simpify it into two groups "talented" and "untalented".
I'm pointing out the obvious, that hard work is not the only factor in
achievement.
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Mike.... wrote:

Following up to vid Horne, _the_ chancellor

You suspect wrong. I had a couple of flying lessons when a teenager.

mixi
you never stated if you qualified.
/mixi

I didn't need to.

you could have been a prodigy

I meant what I said- it wouldn't have made a difference.

i think you took that a little too seriously

Oh, OK.

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(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Mike.... wrote:

Following up to vid Horne, _the_ chancellor

You're not making a point here. You have no way of proving that a young
prodigy was inately going to turn out that way. What goes into all of
this is a very complex equation, despite your attempts to simplify it
into the talented and the untalanted.

I'm not trying to simpify it into two groups "talented" and "untalented".
I'm pointing out the obvious, that hard work is not the only factor in
achievement.

I think it's the most important, and I see plenty of evidence of it. I
see lots of 'talented' people who don't work to their potential, and I
see many people that might have been considered less 'talented' who
worked their arses off and have the achievements of those some call the
'talented.'

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(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Following up to vid Horne, _the_ chancellor

hink it's the most important,

I'm quite happy with it as "most important" (although at the top of
anything, exceptional talent is essential, as is hard work)

and I see plenty of evidence of it. I
see lots of 'talented' people who don't work to their potential,

of course

and I
see many people that might have been considered less 'talented' who
worked their arses off and have the achievements of those some call the
'talented.'

of course, but talent still exists.
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Following up to vid Horne, _the_ chancellor

you could have been a prodigy

I meant what I said- it wouldn't have made a difference.

i think you took that a little too seriously

Oh, OK.

do you like The Prodigy? No, neither do I.
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Mike.... wrote:

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hink it's the most important,

I'm quite happy with it as "most important"

Fine- I'll leave it at that- you started by saying "No, basic ability is
most important." So, nice to see your views can be persuaded to change!


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(email address on website) "If people think God is interesting, the
onus is on them to show that there is anything there to talk about.
Otherwise they should just shut up about it." -Richard Dawkins

Following up to vid Horne, _the_ chancellor

hink it's the most important,

I'm quite happy with it as "most important"

Fine- I'll leave it at that- you started by saying "No, basic ability is
most important." So, nice to see your views can be persuaded to change!

its not a big enough difference to argue about, its certainly most
important to get to the *top*, but what order you put things in isnt a big
deal, including them at all is (hey, next you will have me saying I dont
like lists :-) )
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William Black wrote:

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Then you don't understand the work. That's a bit like saying that
professional musicians can't possibly enjoy playing music at home after
doing
it at work.

They practice at home.

They also play the stuff they want to play.

When you get paid you play what they pay you for.

They may not be the same thing.

Top level pianists will generally play what they want, or in some cases
give a selection of what they want to play, and the promoters can
choose.

And how many of those are there?

Two dozen?

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William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.