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The era of FORMAL NIGHTS is fading rapidly...
In article . com,
wrote: No. Ties and slacks are business attire in the Northeast. Suits died out in the 60's as "standard". They are wearing suits as business attire in New York and Washington. They are wearing suits on Wall Street. I agree, it's not putting on airs, but a cruise ship vacation is not the place to be puttin' on the tux. That is you opinion. Most of the cruise lines say a cruise ship vacation is the place to be putting on a tux. And most passengers are wearing a dark suit or tux on the formal evenings that the cruise lines still have on most cruise ship vacations. You and Rick may dress differently but you are a small minority. As I have said in other posts over the years it does not bother me if people don't wear a dark suit or tux on formal evenings. It does not make me uncomfortable. But I would feel uncomfortable myself dressing that way. Not that I like wearing a dark suit or tux. I would prefer not wearing them. Loved the dress on Azamara Journey where there were no formal evenings. But the dress request is still being adhered to by the majority on the cruise lines that have formal evenings and at this point in time I don't feel like being a rebel. -- Charles |
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The era of FORMAL NIGHTS is fading rapidly...
On Oct 6, 7:12 pm, Charles wrote:
In article . com, Rick Suits and ties are still standard business attire in the Northeast. Charles, Where are suits and ties standard business attire in the NE? Vacations are another matter. The formal dinner evenings have been a cruise vacation tradition. Certainly they would not be part of a camping vacation. To me the old saying of when in Rome do as the Romans applies. I find that people are still wearing suits or tuxes on formal evenings, 95% are doing that--- so I am still wearing my tux. If you want to be a rebel, fine. I don't care. I choose not to be a rebel in this matter at this time. I never said you should change the way you are comfortable dressing. You want to dress in a tux then by all means do it. It was also cruise tradition to have seperate classes of service, should we go back to that? Of course not. Why? Because we've evolved from that. Why would dressing up be putting on airs or trying to impress anyone? Becaue 99% of the public doesn't own a Tux in real life or wear one on any kind of regualr basis. Why should they on a cruise vacation? |
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The era of FORMAL NIGHTS is fading rapidly...
On Oct 6, 8:50 pm, Charles wrote:
They are wearing suits as business attire in New York and Washington. They are wearing suits on Wall Street. I don't think so. That is you opinion. Most of the cruise lines say a cruise ship vacation is the place to be putting on a tux. And that is written where? OH, Its right next to where they say you should buy the ships tours and pay 3, 4, or 5 times the price of doing it yourself. Since the cruise lines say we should wearing a tux let me run mine to the cleaners now. And most passengers are wearing a dark suit or tux on the formal evenings that the cruise lines still have on most cruise ship vacations. You may notice this is changing. You and Rick may dress differently but you are a small minority. Really? Have you ever been on a Freestyle cruise where formal and casual dress is seated together? Formal is not the majority. But I would feel uncomfortable myself dressing that way. I can see why. You still think a Suit and tie are standard business attire. But the dress request is still being adhered to by the majority on the cruise lines that have formal evenings and at this point in time I don't feel like being a rebel. What makes me angry is when i'm in a suit and tie or my tux and the guy at the very next table is in a tropical shirt and flip flops. Why is he allowed in? Why is he being served? Why isn't the cruise line enforcing their dress policy? Its not about being a rebel Charles. If it were I would wear jeans to the dining room. Oh wait people already do. Yet the cruise lines say its not allowed. Yet its seen every night at every seating. |
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The era of FORMAL NIGHTS is fading rapidly...
In article . com, Rick
wrote: I never said you should change the way you are comfortable dressing. You want to dress in a tux then by all means do it. It was also cruise tradition to have seperate classes of service, should we go back to that? Of course not. Why? Because we've evolved from that. Separate classes were more of an ocean liner tradition than a cruise vacation tradition but that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Cruise tradition has not evolved from having formal evenings. If it did evolve from having formal evenings that would be fine with me. But it has not happened yet. That is why I wear a tux or dark suit. I never said I wanted to dress in a tux. Becaue 99% of the public doesn't own a Tux in real life or wear one on any kind of regualr basis. Why should they on a cruise vacation? Because it is expected on a cruise vacation to wear a dark suit or tux several evenings. -- Charles |
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The era of FORMAL NIGHTS is fading rapidly...
In article . com, Rick
wrote: Really? Have you ever been on a Freestyle cruise where formal and casual dress is seated together? Formal is not the majority. I went on one NCL Freestyle cruise. Not dressing formal was the only good thing about the cruise. Otherwise it was a crappy cruise line which I will avoid. But not because of the dress. It is more likely NCL will fade away before formal evenings on cruises fades away.... -- Charles |
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The era of FORMAL NIGHTS is fading rapidly...
Peanut Charles Wrote:
They are wearing suits as business attire in New York and Washington. They are wearing suits on Wall Street. Charles, I will agree with Wall Street, but the percentage of business in the northeast does not recognize a suit as standard business attire. You and Rick may dress differently but you are a small minority. You're wrong. It's not a small minority. It might be a minority (because I do see more suits than not) but it's a 40/60 minority. It's an age thing. It will be 70 percent smart casual before you know it. |
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The era of FORMAL NIGHTS is fading rapidly...
On Oct 6, 9:53 pm, Charles wrote:
I went on one NCL Freestyle cruise. Not dressing formal was the only good thing about the cruise. Otherwise it was a crappy cruise line which I will avoid. Here we both agree 100%. But not because of the dress. It is more likely NCL will fade away before formal evenings on cruises fades away.... Charles Thats a bold statement. |
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The era of FORMAL NIGHTS is fading rapidly...
In article . com, Rick
wrote: Thats a bold statement. It is like the statement that formal nights are fading rapidly. Both statements are an exaggeration. I am not saying the day won't come that formal nights are no longer. I am saying that not dressing formal is still dressing different on the cruise lines that have them. So I won't dress less than a dark suit or tux. But as an example, on Royal Caribbean which still has informal evenings, jacket requested, hardly anyone wears a jacket on that evening. So I don't either. If the same happened on formal evenings, that the majority did not wear a tux or dark suit then I would reconsider wearing a tux or suit. If you and Seahorse want to be in the vanguard of change I have no problem with that. In this instance I will be a follower, not a leader :-) -- Charles |
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The era of FORMAL NIGHTS is fading rapidly...
If you and Seahorse want to be in the
vanguard of change I have no problem with that. In this instance I will be a follower, not a leader :-) -- Charles Charles, The last thing I'm doing on vacation is being a leader. I, simply, don't want to wear a suit. "vanguard of change"? God love duck. It's a waste of space to bring it. It's a waste of money to rent it. Formal wear in a plastic environment. And then up we go to the Mexican buffet? |
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The era of FORMAL NIGHTS is fading rapidly...
On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 17:29:42 -0400, "Val Kraut"
wrote: Sounds like you're trying to write future history in the hope it will become true. Actually on our last cruise the vast majority of the men wore Tuxes or in some cases dark suits. And in many cases the majority of the men had sports jacets on casual nights. There are many who still enjoy formal ocassions and will continue to do so. You're right in that the cruise industry is rapidly expanding, and given the mess at airports will continue to attract new travelers some of whom have never owned a tie or jacket in their life. My hope is that things don't always have to move to the lowest denomenator. Understandably someone who wants a cheap crusie consisting of beaches and booze will not want to waste half his bar bill on a tuxedo. So my prediction is one or two things will happen - they'll be two types of crusies the relaxed atmosphere, and ones that contunue to provide interesting ports of call, interesting excursions, and interesting events such as formal nights on board. The other alternative is back to multiple classes on the ship - where first class has its formal nights etc, and second class gets a cafeteria. By the way servants on vacation might enjoy being treated with class - just because they're servants doen't mean they can't own a suit. Things are also cyclic and rebound. In the 70s ball room dancing almost died and was replaced but invent it yourself gyrations. It was often impossible to determine a particular persons partner. Now formal Ball Room dancing is back again strong. I predict this will happen again with formal events. Back again strong? Hardly. Thumper Today, the vast majority of people who go cruising don't own formal wear. Many don't even have suits, and if they did retain something from their business history it probably no longer fits. And some of today's cruisers ARE servants - on vacation... |
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