GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!

In article , Mike
Cordelli wrote:

I guarantee you if I was committee chariman I wouldn't change the rules mid
stream without telling anybody.

Please indicate when you as the committee posted the change in the rules
after the February post when you said you were not changing them? If I'm
wrong and it was posted, I will be the first to apologize for my remarks.
You posted at least a hundred times you were accepting bids and the rest,
funny how the change in the rules never made it.

Maybe, just maybe, if you did things up front and on the up and up, there
wouldn't be so much fingerpointing and bitching and the rest.

Nah, hasn't happened at any of the GGC's that I've seen. There were
and are always plenty around to tell how they would do it, how the
current committee was doing it all wrong, you get the drift.....

The hoorah is always there, it'll be there next time too -- even if you
are the chair! G

Lloyd

So I take it you are accepting the chairmanship?

Judy ---In Mike's own mind he's right

Mike Cordelli wrote:

I guarantee you if I was committee chariman I wouldn't change the rules mid
stream without telling anybody.

Please indicate when you as the committee posted the change in the rules
after the February post when you said you were not changing them? If I'm
wrong and it was posted, I will be the first to apologize for my remarks.
You posted at least a hundred times you were accepting bids and the rest,
funny how the change in the rules never made it.

Maybe, just maybe, if you did things up front and on the up and up, there
wouldn't be so much fingerpointing and bitching and the rest.

By the way, HTML has no place in newsgroups.

I love the way the committee is now circling the wagons to protect their
own.




"Judy O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Mike, next year you can be committee chairman. I nominate you as of now.
Then you can listen to all the bitching and whining and finger-pointing. I
don't care what anybody thinks, we on the committee know what went on. If
any of you, and I mean any, had volunteered for this committee, you would be
able to see we did not do anything underhanded, we didn't hide anything from
anyone. We chose to change the RFB to allow more people to bid and sadly
not many did.

I know, in your own mind you see it differently.


Judy----Waiting to see how Mike Cordelli does next year as committee
chairman

Mike Cordelli wrote:

You guys are totally cracking me up.

Lets take a step back to, Oh, I don't know, February 2.

The following was posted he

-----start
The current requirements for bidding are :

1. Be a participating member in RTC
2. Be a full-time travel agent
3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a
contract.

I do not think those will change as the committee seems to be in agreement
on those items.
-----end

See that last line? The part about "I do not think these will change as the
committee seems to be in agreement on those items? Now the committee comes
back to the group and says it's the fault of the people they didn't ask for
the "new" terms after they (the committee) stated they would not change?

Give it a rest, you used the rules to control the number of people who would
be eligible. Then you changed the rules to get people who wouldn't have
been eligible under the old rules be allowed to bid, but kept it a secret to
control the bidding process.

All you guys had to do was post the new rules when you changed them, after
saying they wouldn't change. You kept it a secret so people who couldn't
bid under the rules would be able to bid. Plain and simple.

It's been quite entertaining to watch all the back and forth, just come out
and say you were controlling who would and wouldn't be allowed to bid by
having over restrictive rules up front, thus limiting the number of people
who thought they would qualify, then changing it without telling anybody
because "We Tulsans are proud of Tulsa and are protective of each other!"

It's no huge deal, just admit you changed the rules to allow a bid that
wouldn't have been allowed in, you just forgot to tell anybody. The rules
were of course silly to start with, but that's another issue.




"SC posner" wrote in message
om...

If anyone was really interested they could have asked for a copy of the
"new" RFB. I would have gladly sent them a copy.

If I remember correctly, very few copies were asked for. All that asked
received a copy. Not all the TA's that asked for the RFB submitted bids.
But we were fortunate that 4 TA's saw the RFB and took the time to bid.

Chip

Well now Chip

Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little one
sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto, don't
you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his ethics.
What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume?

Fred

"SC posner" wrote in message
m...
If you read Karen Wheelock's Resume you will find that she is very
experienced and has a great reputation. World Travel Service has been in
business for almost 50 years and is the largest travel agency in Oklahoma.
Karen Wheelock, has been an agent for 17 years and a cruise group
specialist
for 10 years. She is a delightful person to deal with. She has a true
desire to make any travel experience pleasant and enjoyable for her
clients.
I have known her for a couple of years.

I wanted to stay neutral in this, (since I am on the Committee) but her
company is right here in Tulsa. We Tulsans are proud of Tulsa and are
protective of each other!

I hope that answers some of your questions. If not feel free to ask
others,
or you could always call her! 1-800-324-4987 x 259 or check out their
website www.WorldTravelToday



"sheree" wrote in message
t...
my only question/concern is who is this other TA? do you know people
who
have dealt with her in the past? is she someone's private agent? these
can
all be a concern. Everyone here on RTC is familiar with the other names
and
has their own opinions of them.

--
Sheree


"Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message
...
In article , Tom &
Linda wrote:

"Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message
...

So how many times has Karen Wheelock posted on rtc?


Sue ---found no posts from Google Groups

I have no idea, nor am I overly concerned with that and neither
was
the
rest of the committee.

As you should know, it gets increasingly more difficult to get
TA's
that will bid at all on the GGC's because of the flame level that
exists primarily here. When we posted for TA's to bid, she was
one
of
them.

Thanks for asking....


Perhaps next time it might be worth stating up front that the TA's
that
bid
don't have to be RTCr's. It might generate even more interest.
Having
the
stipulation, as in the past, that the TA must be an RTC poster
reduces
the
"pool" of TA's that can bid.

Even though you did get a non-RTC TA to bid this time, maybe if you
state up
front that you don't have to be an RTC poster you'll get even more
interest
next time.

--Tom

I won't argue with that. But that isn't the way it was done this
time.
Next GGC the committee can do like us and make their rules also.

For information, each GGC committee is empowered to do whatever is
ethical and legal to produce good results. They are not bound to the
previous committee's rules in any way except possibly that it makes it
easier.

And actually, there is no requirement that the GGC chair even empanel
a
committee as I was told more than once.

All in all, I think we got some very nice bids that you all will find
at least one if not more to like.

Lloyd

In article Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05, Freddyp
wrote:

Well now Chip

Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little one
sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto, don't
you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his ethics.
What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume?

Fred

Well, I'm not Chip but I don't remember him not being allowed to bid
because of ethics. I know that some didn't like him and thought that
he should do some things different. I know that very well because I'm
one of them. John was never one of my favorite people, but he bid a
good bid and it appeared that he worked hard to put it together.

For that, he got one of his bids selected....

Lloyd

I'd prefer to wait for the secret vote where you decide everything.


"Judy O'Connor" wrote in message
...
So I take it you are accepting the chairmanship?

Judy ---In Mike's own mind he's right

Mike Cordelli wrote:

I guarantee you if I was committee chariman I wouldn't change the rules
mid
stream without telling anybody.

Please indicate when you as the committee posted the change in the rules
after the February post when you said you were not changing them? If I'm
wrong and it was posted, I will be the first to apologize for my remarks.
You posted at least a hundred times you were accepting bids and the rest,
funny how the change in the rules never made it.

Maybe, just maybe, if you did things up front and on the up and up, there
wouldn't be so much fingerpointing and bitching and the rest.

By the way, HTML has no place in newsgroups.

I love the way the committee is now circling the wagons to protect their
own.




"Judy O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Mike, next year you can be committee chairman. I nominate you as of now.
Then you can listen to all the bitching and whining and finger-pointing.
I
don't care what anybody thinks, we on the committee know what went on.
If
any of you, and I mean any, had volunteered for this committee, you would
be
able to see we did not do anything underhanded, we didn't hide anything
from
anyone. We chose to change the RFB to allow more people to bid and
sadly
not many did.

I know, in your own mind you see it differently.


Judy----Waiting to see how Mike Cordelli does next year as committee
chairman

Mike Cordelli wrote:

You guys are totally cracking me up.

Lets take a step back to, Oh, I don't know, February 2.

The following was posted he

-----start
The current requirements for bidding are :

1. Be a participating member in RTC
2. Be a full-time travel agent
3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a
contract.

I do not think those will change as the committee seems to be in
agreement
on those items.
-----end

See that last line? The part about "I do not think these will change as
the
committee seems to be in agreement on those items? Now the committee
comes
back to the group and says it's the fault of the people they didn't ask
for
the "new" terms after they (the committee) stated they would not change?

Give it a rest, you used the rules to control the number of people who
would
be eligible. Then you changed the rules to get people who wouldn't have
been eligible under the old rules be allowed to bid, but kept it a secret
to
control the bidding process.

All you guys had to do was post the new rules when you changed them,
after
saying they wouldn't change. You kept it a secret so people who couldn't
bid under the rules would be able to bid. Plain and simple.

It's been quite entertaining to watch all the back and forth, just come
out
and say you were controlling who would and wouldn't be allowed to bid by
having over restrictive rules up front, thus limiting the number of
people
who thought they would qualify, then changing it without telling anybody
because "We Tulsans are proud of Tulsa and are protective of each other!"

It's no huge deal, just admit you changed the rules to allow a bid that
wouldn't have been allowed in, you just forgot to tell anybody. The
rules
were of course silly to start with, but that's another issue.




"SC posner" wrote in message
om...

If anyone was really interested they could have asked for a copy of the
"new" RFB. I would have gladly sent them a copy.

If I remember correctly, very few copies were asked for. All that asked
received a copy. Not all the TA's that asked for the RFB submitted bids.
But we were fortunate that 4 TA's saw the RFB and took the time to bid.

Chip

No No No, he wasn't allowed to bid because he wasn't the owner or even a
full time travel agent. That was back when they had rules.


"Freddyp" wrote in message
news:Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05...
Well now Chip

Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little one
sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto,
don't
you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his ethics.
What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume?

Fred

Answering in some sort of order:


"SC posner" wrote in message
m...
Dar Freddy,

A Chippy is an English prostitute! My name is Chip, yes that is my real
name!

So.

I wasn't referring to Karen I was referring to the people that think the
Committee has an agenda or we have some way to rig the out come!

Well by changing the guidlines in mid straem, what would you think?

If you think the process is wrong or skewed, volunteer to be on the
committee next year and change it! Then we can criticize you for trying
to
do a good job for the GGC.

That's the second time I have heard that line. I do not need the bull****
that comes along with the job. But those who step up to the plate should
have a little thicker skin. That would be your advice for the day.


By the way, how do we make it worthwhile for the TA's to bid? How do we
make it more profitable for the TA's? How do we keep the amenities the
Cruisers seem to want?

Not my job, remember. Those questions should have been asked FIRST Chip, by
your hot shot team
..
I think the TA's have done a great job with the itineraries and pricing!
Plus we have the amenities that GGC seems to want. I applaud them all for
taking the time and making the effort to give us choices.

Yes sir, you sure do get what you pay for.

I also thank my fellow GGC Committee members for giving of their time to
make this possible! There were lots of phone calls and an unbelievable
amount of E-mails to reform the RFB so we could get TA's to bid!

No comment

Chip
Still on the Soap Box


"Freddyp" wrote in message
news:GhYuc.1813$CW.1707@lakeread05...
Take a chill pill Chippy...............Not once was there any nasty,
flames,
remarks towards her........It was the process that is in question.......
So
drop it already

Maybe if you made it worth while for the agents to make more money
instead
of asking for the moon you might have gotten a better response.

Lets visit old friends for the first time the cheapest way we can as a
group
with the most amenities.

Fred
"SC posner" wrote in message
m...
Sorry if I seem overly sensitive. But it seems as though if anyone
tries
to
do something good for this group they get flamed! I have never seen
so
many
individuals just trying to start crap! No wonder people don't want to
post
on this Group.

If you or anyone was interested in submitting a bid or even wanted to
see
the RFB, all you had to do is ask .... we as members of the GGC2005
Committee would have been happy to send anyone a copy. We rewrote the
RFB
to remove some of the Loopholes of the past and tried to make it more
appealing for the TA's to want to submit a bid.

Is there a need to be mean and nasty just for the sake of being mean
and
nasty? These TA's worked hard to put these packages together. Some
have
great itineraries, Some have great prices, Some of the TA's you might
like,
Some of the Ta's you might not like and some TA's you might not know.
But
they all took the time to try to submit bids to allow us a choice for
a
Great traveling experience.

All the GGC2005 Committee tried to do is get bids on Cruises that
people
would want to go on. If you don't like the bids or the TA's ... Don't
vote
and by all means don't go. Don't ruin the Cruising experience for the
rest
of us. Please! Let the GGC be what it stands for .... a Great Group
Cruise.
We go for the Group not just the Cruise!

I respect and thank them All, for their efforts!

Chip Posner
This is my soap box and I am standing on it!

"Lunyma" wrote in message
...
Chip wrote...
Sorry if I seem overly sensitive. But it seems as though if anyone tries
to
do something good for this group they get flamed! I have never seen so
many
individuals just trying to start crap! No wonder people don't want to
post
on this Group.

Or go on a GGC... Sorry, Chip... You know I love you, but taking on this
group
is a lot like committing suicide... I give you guys a lot of credit for
putting
up with the crap that goes on here... Hang in there, buddy!

Pam ----- has lost my faith in the *group thing*


Hi Pam

Way to many do goobers on these cruises to go on one. Anyway......You should
have been in Savannah this past week. Temps in the upper 90's, found another
Tubbys, drank 15 Wet Willies, and put on another 10 lbs. The Blue Ridge and
Sky Line ride on the bike was AWESOME.

Fred

"Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message
...
In article Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05, Freddyp
wrote:

Well now Chip

Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little
one
sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto,
don't
you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his ethics.
What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume?

Fred

Well, I'm not Chip but I don't remember him not being allowed to bid
because of ethics. I know that some didn't like him and thought that
he should do some things different. I know that very well because I'm
one of them. John was never one of my favorite people, but he bid a
good bid and it appeared that he worked hard to put it together.

For that, he got one of his bids selected....

Lloyd

Well your right Lloyd your not Chip. You seem to have this problem of
answering other peoples questions. He needs to answer those questions not
you. Remember he is the one who pushed for her to bid. I hope I am not one
of those people you refer to as a troll or one who ****es you off now am I?
So Why did you not ask to see John's resume? Mr. Chairman.

Fred

You mean........RULES/GUIDLINES........Do you not?


"Mike Cordelli" wrote in message
m...
No No No, he wasn't allowed to bid because he wasn't the owner or even a
full time travel agent. That was back when they had rules.


"Freddyp" wrote in message
news:Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05...
Well now Chip

Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little
one
sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto,
don't
you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his ethics.
What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume?

Fred