GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!

Mike,

For the record, I am a full time agent and got permission from the agency to
able to bind the contract for years already.

Get your facts straight. You can argue all you want. Enough said.


Mike Cordelli wrote:

No No No, he wasn't allowed to bid because he wasn't the owner or even a
full time travel agent. That was back when they had rules.

"Freddyp" wrote in message
news:Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05...
Well now Chip

Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little one
sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto,
don't
you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his ethics.
What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume?

Fred


--
Best regards,

John Szeto -------------- We treat your cruise booking as if we were going
ourselves.
Cruise and Travel Company
If you don't book from us, you're paying too much!
E-mail me at:
Cruise Review Library http://www.cruisereview.net

Mr. Szeto speaks for himself, but does Ms. Wheellock?

That's right she only lurks and chooses not to post.

Fred


"John Szeto" wrote in message
...
Mike,

For the record, I am a full time agent and got permission from the agency
to
able to bind the contract for years already.

Get your facts straight. You can argue all you want. Enough said.


Mike Cordelli wrote:

No No No, he wasn't allowed to bid because he wasn't the owner or even a
full time travel agent. That was back when they had rules.

"Freddyp" wrote in message
news:Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05...
Well now Chip

Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little
one
sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto,
don't
you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his
ethics.
What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume?

Fred


--
Best regards,

John Szeto -------------- We treat your cruise booking as if we were
going
ourselves.
Cruise and Travel Company
If you don't book from us, you're paying too much!
E-mail me at:
Cruise Review Library http://www.cruisereview.net

In article nD5vc.1836$CW.1715@lakeread05, Freddyp
wrote:

"Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message
...
In article Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05, Freddyp
wrote:

Well now Chip

Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little
one
sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto,
don't
you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his ethics.
What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume?

Fred

Well, I'm not Chip but I don't remember him not being allowed to bid
because of ethics. I know that some didn't like him and thought that
he should do some things different. I know that very well because I'm
one of them. John was never one of my favorite people, but he bid a
good bid and it appeared that he worked hard to put it together.

For that, he got one of his bids selected....

Lloyd

Well your right Lloyd your not Chip. You seem to have this problem of
answering other peoples questions. He needs to answer those questions not
you. Remember he is the one who pushed for her to bid. I hope I am not one
of those people you refer to as a troll or one who ****es you off now am I?
So Why did you not ask to see John's resume? Mr. Chairman.

Fred

I already knew John from here and didn't feel it was necessary.

And no, you don't **** me off, or at least not very often. As to
trolling, yes I would say that some of your posts are of a trollish
nature, but you do ask some good questions. And if you notice, when
you do, I generally respond in like manner.

But I do have a thick skin and things said in usenet generally don't
make me lose sleep.... ;-)

Lloyd

Whoop, there it is....... ;-0.

Thanks, John.

Lloyd

In article , John Szeto
wrote:

Mike,

For the record, I am a full time agent and got permission from the agency to
able to bind the contract for years already.

Get your facts straight. You can argue all you want. Enough said.


Mike Cordelli wrote:

No No No, he wasn't allowed to bid because he wasn't the owner or even a
full time travel agent. That was back when they had rules.

"Freddyp" wrote in message
news:Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05...
Well now Chip

Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little one
sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto,
don't
you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his ethics.
What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume?

Fred


--
Best regards,

John Szeto -------------- We treat your cruise booking as if we were going
ourselves.
Cruise and Travel Company
If you don't book from us, you're paying too much!
E-mail me at:
Cruise Review Library http://www.cruisereview.net

Predictable
Just like Berlin & Fang

"Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message
...
Whoop, there it is....... ;-0.

Thanks, John.

Lloyd

In article , John Szeto
wrote:

Mike,

For the record, I am a full time agent and got permission from the
agency to
able to bind the contract for years already.

Get your facts straight. You can argue all you want. Enough said.


Mike Cordelli wrote:

No No No, he wasn't allowed to bid because he wasn't the owner or even
a
full time travel agent. That was back when they had rules.

"Freddyp" wrote in message
news:Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05...
Well now Chip

Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A
little one
sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr.
Szeto,
don't
you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his
ethics.
What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume?

Fred


--
Best regards,

John Szeto -------------- We treat your cruise booking as if we were
going
ourselves.
Cruise and Travel Company
If you don't book from us, you're paying too much!
E-mail me at:
Cruise Review Library http://www.cruisereview.net

I'm sorry, I had thought that in April of 2001, period of time you were not
allowed to bid that you were still in school, were not an owner of a travel
agency, and were not a full time travel agent. Obviously I'm mistaken, at
that time you were all that and were certainly slighted by not being allowed
to bid.

Again, if I'm wrong, and the post I was referring from April 11th or so of
2001 is incorrect, and you did own an agency then, and were working full
time, then I'm wrong.

Nice try though.




"John Szeto" wrote in message
...
Mike,

For the record, I am a full time agent and got permission from the agency
to
able to bind the contract for years already.

Get your facts straight. You can argue all you want. Enough said.


Mike Cordelli wrote:

No No No, he wasn't allowed to bid because he wasn't the owner or even a
full time travel agent. That was back when they had rules.

"Freddyp" wrote in message
news:Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05...
Well now Chip

Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little
one
sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto,
don't
you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his
ethics.
What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume?

Fred


--
Best regards,

John Szeto -------------- We treat your cruise booking as if we were
going
ourselves.
Cruise and Travel Company
If you don't book from us, you're paying too much!
E-mail me at:
Cruise Review Library http://www.cruisereview.net

One of my first posts was that asshole belin was going to get it........Just
watch



"Mike Cordelli" wrote in message
m...
I'd prefer to wait for the secret vote where you decide everything.


"Judy O'Connor" wrote in message
...
So I take it you are accepting the chairmanship?

Judy ---In Mike's own mind he's right

Mike Cordelli wrote:

I guarantee you if I was committee chariman I wouldn't change the rules
mid
stream without telling anybody.

Please indicate when you as the committee posted the change in the
rules
after the February post when you said you were not changing them? If
I'm
wrong and it was posted, I will be the first to apologize for my
remarks.
You posted at least a hundred times you were accepting bids and the
rest,
funny how the change in the rules never made it.

Maybe, just maybe, if you did things up front and on the up and up,
there
wouldn't be so much fingerpointing and bitching and the rest.

By the way, HTML has no place in newsgroups.

I love the way the committee is now circling the wagons to protect
their
own.




"Judy O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Mike, next year you can be committee chairman. I nominate you as of
now.
Then you can listen to all the bitching and whining and
finger-pointing.
I
don't care what anybody thinks, we on the committee know what went on.
If
any of you, and I mean any, had volunteered for this committee, you
would
be
able to see we did not do anything underhanded, we didn't hide anything
from
anyone. We chose to change the RFB to allow more people to bid and
sadly
not many did.

I know, in your own mind you see it differently.


Judy----Waiting to see how Mike Cordelli does next year as committee
chairman

Mike Cordelli wrote:

You guys are totally cracking me up.

Lets take a step back to, Oh, I don't know, February 2.

The following was posted he

-----start
The current requirements for bidding are :

1. Be a participating member in RTC
2. Be a full-time travel agent
3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a
contract.

I do not think those will change as the committee seems to be in
agreement
on those items.
-----end

See that last line? The part about "I do not think these will change
as
the
committee seems to be in agreement on those items? Now the committee
comes
back to the group and says it's the fault of the people they didn't ask
for
the "new" terms after they (the committee) stated they would not
change?

Give it a rest, you used the rules to control the number of people who
would
be eligible. Then you changed the rules to get people who wouldn't
have
been eligible under the old rules be allowed to bid, but kept it a
secret
to
control the bidding process.

All you guys had to do was post the new rules when you changed them,
after
saying they wouldn't change. You kept it a secret so people who
couldn't
bid under the rules would be able to bid. Plain and simple.

It's been quite entertaining to watch all the back and forth, just come
out
and say you were controlling who would and wouldn't be allowed to bid
by
having over restrictive rules up front, thus limiting the number of
people
who thought they would qualify, then changing it without telling
anybody
because "We Tulsans are proud of Tulsa and are protective of each
other!"

It's no huge deal, just admit you changed the rules to allow a bid that
wouldn't have been allowed in, you just forgot to tell anybody. The
rules
were of course silly to start with, but that's another issue.




"SC posner" wrote in message
om...

If anyone was really interested they could have asked for a copy of the
"new" RFB. I would have gladly sent them a copy.

If I remember correctly, very few copies were asked for. All that
asked
received a copy. Not all the TA's that asked for the RFB submitted
bids.
But we were fortunate that 4 TA's saw the RFB and took the time to bid.

Chip

Did you notice who got top billing....I always thought you got your tickets
from the agency not the individual. So if something goes wrong you sue the
company or the person that sold the ticket?




"Mike Cordelli" wrote in message
m...
I'd prefer to wait for the secret vote where you decide everything.


"Judy O'Connor" wrote in message
...
So I take it you are accepting the chairmanship?

Judy ---In Mike's own mind he's right

Mike Cordelli wrote:

I guarantee you if I was committee chariman I wouldn't change the rules
mid
stream without telling anybody.

Please indicate when you as the committee posted the change in the
rules
after the February post when you said you were not changing them? If
I'm
wrong and it was posted, I will be the first to apologize for my
remarks.
You posted at least a hundred times you were accepting bids and the
rest,
funny how the change in the rules never made it.

Maybe, just maybe, if you did things up front and on the up and up,
there
wouldn't be so much fingerpointing and bitching and the rest.

By the way, HTML has no place in newsgroups.

I love the way the committee is now circling the wagons to protect
their
own.




"Judy O'Connor" wrote in message
...
Mike, next year you can be committee chairman. I nominate you as of
now.
Then you can listen to all the bitching and whining and
finger-pointing.
I
don't care what anybody thinks, we on the committee know what went on.
If
any of you, and I mean any, had volunteered for this committee, you
would
be
able to see we did not do anything underhanded, we didn't hide anything
from
anyone. We chose to change the RFB to allow more people to bid and
sadly
not many did.

I know, in your own mind you see it differently.


Judy----Waiting to see how Mike Cordelli does next year as committee
chairman

Mike Cordelli wrote:

You guys are totally cracking me up.

Lets take a step back to, Oh, I don't know, February 2.

The following was posted he

-----start
The current requirements for bidding are :

1. Be a participating member in RTC
2. Be a full-time travel agent
3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a
contract.

I do not think those will change as the committee seems to be in
agreement
on those items.
-----end

See that last line? The part about "I do not think these will change
as
the
committee seems to be in agreement on those items? Now the committee
comes
back to the group and says it's the fault of the people they didn't ask
for
the "new" terms after they (the committee) stated they would not
change?

Give it a rest, you used the rules to control the number of people who
would
be eligible. Then you changed the rules to get people who wouldn't
have
been eligible under the old rules be allowed to bid, but kept it a
secret
to
control the bidding process.

All you guys had to do was post the new rules when you changed them,
after
saying they wouldn't change. You kept it a secret so people who
couldn't
bid under the rules would be able to bid. Plain and simple.

It's been quite entertaining to watch all the back and forth, just come
out
and say you were controlling who would and wouldn't be allowed to bid
by
having over restrictive rules up front, thus limiting the number of
people
who thought they would qualify, then changing it without telling
anybody
because "We Tulsans are proud of Tulsa and are protective of each
other!"

It's no huge deal, just admit you changed the rules to allow a bid that
wouldn't have been allowed in, you just forgot to tell anybody. The
rules
were of course silly to start with, but that's another issue.




"SC posner" wrote in message
om...

If anyone was really interested they could have asked for a copy of the
"new" RFB. I would have gladly sent them a copy.

If I remember correctly, very few copies were asked for. All that
asked
received a copy. Not all the TA's that asked for the RFB submitted
bids.
But we were fortunate that 4 TA's saw the RFB and took the time to bid.

Chip

In article , Judy O'Connor
wrote:

So I take it you are accepting the chairmanship?

Judy ---In Mike's own mind he's right

What Mike has posted on this seems on the mark to me. I think he is
right and probably many others think Mike is right.

--
Charles

The reason I posted Karen's resume is that I was asked for information about
her. If it would have been asked I would have posted it also. I believe
that the resume of all the bidders will be available on the GGC website.

If you would like to know about John .... Bio of John Setzo: I am a cruise
enthusiast and a certified master cruise counselor with CLIA. I have been
an agent for 6 years but have cruised since I was a child. I have escorted
several group cruises for our agency and dealt with groups as large as 200.
I have personally hosted a large church group of about 200 people for the
past 3 years. The owner of the agency, Bob Hanks has been in the business
for 12 years and has hosted groups as large as 500. He also is a certified
master cruise counselor. We plan to co-host the group cruise if we shall
win the bid. If we shall win, I can arrange a complimentary group tour and
luncheon onboard the NCL Star some time in the Fall for those interested.

I was on the GGC Committee last year and I think the reason that John's
package was not brought forward is that he did not meet the requirements of
the RFB at that time. He understood and had no hard feelings.

So the "Change" is, John now qualifies to bid.

Chip


"Freddyp" wrote in message
news:Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05...
Well now Chip

Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little one
sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto,
don't
you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his ethics.
What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume?

Fred

"SC posner" wrote in message
m...
If you read Karen Wheelock's Resume you will find that she is very
experienced and has a great reputation. World Travel Service has been
in
business for almost 50 years and is the largest travel agency in
Oklahoma.
Karen Wheelock, has been an agent for 17 years and a cruise group
specialist
for 10 years. She is a delightful person to deal with. She has a true
desire to make any travel experience pleasant and enjoyable for her
clients.
I have known her for a couple of years.

I wanted to stay neutral in this, (since I am on the Committee) but her
company is right here in Tulsa. We Tulsans are proud of Tulsa and are
protective of each other!

I hope that answers some of your questions. If not feel free to ask
others,
or you could always call her! 1-800-324-4987 x 259 or check out their
website www.WorldTravelToday



"sheree" wrote in message
t...
my only question/concern is who is this other TA? do you know people
who
have dealt with her in the past? is she someone's private agent?
these
can
all be a concern. Everyone here on RTC is familiar with the other
names
and
has their own opinions of them.

--
Sheree


"Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message
...
In article , Tom &
Linda wrote:

"Lloyd Parsons" wrote in message
...

So how many times has Karen Wheelock posted on rtc?


Sue ---found no posts from Google Groups

I have no idea, nor am I overly concerned with that and neither
was
the
rest of the committee.

As you should know, it gets increasingly more difficult to get
TA's
that will bid at all on the GGC's because of the flame level
that
exists primarily here. When we posted for TA's to bid, she was
one
of
them.

Thanks for asking....


Perhaps next time it might be worth stating up front that the TA's
that
bid
don't have to be RTCr's. It might generate even more interest.
Having
the
stipulation, as in the past, that the TA must be an RTC poster
reduces
the
"pool" of TA's that can bid.

Even though you did get a non-RTC TA to bid this time, maybe if
you
state up
front that you don't have to be an RTC poster you'll get even more
interest
next time.

--Tom

I won't argue with that. But that isn't the way it was done this
time.
Next GGC the committee can do like us and make their rules also.

For information, each GGC committee is empowered to do whatever is
ethical and legal to produce good results. They are not bound to
the
previous committee's rules in any way except possibly that it makes
it
easier.

And actually, there is no requirement that the GGC chair even
empanel
a
committee as I was told more than once.

All in all, I think we got some very nice bids that you all will
find
at least one if not more to like.

Lloyd