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GGC2005 - Pre-Vote Announcement!!!
And you might be right.
But the voting will be in public, here and in the ggc0000 yahoo group for all that want to see. Feel free to count along... Lloyd In article WY5vc.1840$CW.353@lakeread05, Freddyp wrote: One of my first posts was that asshole belin was going to get it........Just watch "Mike Cordelli" wrote in message m... I'd prefer to wait for the secret vote where you decide everything. "Judy O'Connor" wrote in message ... So I take it you are accepting the chairmanship? Judy ---In Mike's own mind he's right Mike Cordelli wrote: I guarantee you if I was committee chariman I wouldn't change the rules mid stream without telling anybody. Please indicate when you as the committee posted the change in the rules after the February post when you said you were not changing them? If I'm wrong and it was posted, I will be the first to apologize for my remarks. You posted at least a hundred times you were accepting bids and the rest, funny how the change in the rules never made it. Maybe, just maybe, if you did things up front and on the up and up, there wouldn't be so much fingerpointing and bitching and the rest. By the way, HTML has no place in newsgroups. I love the way the committee is now circling the wagons to protect their own. "Judy O'Connor" wrote in message ... Mike, next year you can be committee chairman. I nominate you as of now. Then you can listen to all the bitching and whining and finger-pointing. I don't care what anybody thinks, we on the committee know what went on. If any of you, and I mean any, had volunteered for this committee, you would be able to see we did not do anything underhanded, we didn't hide anything from anyone. We chose to change the RFB to allow more people to bid and sadly not many did. I know, in your own mind you see it differently. Judy----Waiting to see how Mike Cordelli does next year as committee chairman Mike Cordelli wrote: You guys are totally cracking me up. Lets take a step back to, Oh, I don't know, February 2. The following was posted he -----start The current requirements for bidding are : 1. Be a participating member in RTC 2. Be a full-time travel agent 3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a contract. I do not think those will change as the committee seems to be in agreement on those items. -----end See that last line? The part about "I do not think these will change as the committee seems to be in agreement on those items? Now the committee comes back to the group and says it's the fault of the people they didn't ask for the "new" terms after they (the committee) stated they would not change? Give it a rest, you used the rules to control the number of people who would be eligible. Then you changed the rules to get people who wouldn't have been eligible under the old rules be allowed to bid, but kept it a secret to control the bidding process. All you guys had to do was post the new rules when you changed them, after saying they wouldn't change. You kept it a secret so people who couldn't bid under the rules would be able to bid. Plain and simple. It's been quite entertaining to watch all the back and forth, just come out and say you were controlling who would and wouldn't be allowed to bid by having over restrictive rules up front, thus limiting the number of people who thought they would qualify, then changing it without telling anybody because "We Tulsans are proud of Tulsa and are protective of each other!" It's no huge deal, just admit you changed the rules to allow a bid that wouldn't have been allowed in, you just forgot to tell anybody. The rules were of course silly to start with, but that's another issue. "SC posner" wrote in message om... If anyone was really interested they could have asked for a copy of the "new" RFB. I would have gladly sent them a copy. If I remember correctly, very few copies were asked for. All that asked received a copy. Not all the TA's that asked for the RFB submitted bids. But we were fortunate that 4 TA's saw the RFB and took the time to bid. Chip |
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Just show the post when they announced the change in the rules opening it up
to people who wouldn't have qualified. Show that post, and the conversation is over. That proves it wasn't a hidden decision, that we all just missed it. Simple. "Charles" wrote in message d... In article , Judy O'Connor wrote: So I take it you are accepting the chairmanship? Judy ---In Mike's own mind he's right What Mike has posted on this seems on the mark to me. I think he is right and probably many others think Mike is right. -- Charles |
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Mike,
Are you going to vote? If you do, would you go on the cruise you voted for? as far as you waiting for the secret vote to decide everything .... I know what I would vote ... But just like everyone else, I only have one vote! Chip "Mike Cordelli" wrote in message m... I'd prefer to wait for the secret vote where you decide everything. "Judy O'Connor" wrote in message ... So I take it you are accepting the chairmanship? Judy ---In Mike's own mind he's right Mike Cordelli wrote: I guarantee you if I was committee chariman I wouldn't change the rules mid stream without telling anybody. Please indicate when you as the committee posted the change in the rules after the February post when you said you were not changing them? If I'm wrong and it was posted, I will be the first to apologize for my remarks. You posted at least a hundred times you were accepting bids and the rest, funny how the change in the rules never made it. Maybe, just maybe, if you did things up front and on the up and up, there wouldn't be so much fingerpointing and bitching and the rest. By the way, HTML has no place in newsgroups. I love the way the committee is now circling the wagons to protect their own. "Judy O'Connor" wrote in message ... Mike, next year you can be committee chairman. I nominate you as of now. Then you can listen to all the bitching and whining and finger-pointing. I don't care what anybody thinks, we on the committee know what went on. If any of you, and I mean any, had volunteered for this committee, you would be able to see we did not do anything underhanded, we didn't hide anything from anyone. We chose to change the RFB to allow more people to bid and sadly not many did. I know, in your own mind you see it differently. Judy----Waiting to see how Mike Cordelli does next year as committee chairman Mike Cordelli wrote: You guys are totally cracking me up. Lets take a step back to, Oh, I don't know, February 2. The following was posted he -----start The current requirements for bidding are : 1. Be a participating member in RTC 2. Be a full-time travel agent 3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a contract. I do not think those will change as the committee seems to be in agreement on those items. -----end See that last line? The part about "I do not think these will change as the committee seems to be in agreement on those items? Now the committee comes back to the group and says it's the fault of the people they didn't ask for the "new" terms after they (the committee) stated they would not change? Give it a rest, you used the rules to control the number of people who would be eligible. Then you changed the rules to get people who wouldn't have been eligible under the old rules be allowed to bid, but kept it a secret to control the bidding process. All you guys had to do was post the new rules when you changed them, after saying they wouldn't change. You kept it a secret so people who couldn't bid under the rules would be able to bid. Plain and simple. It's been quite entertaining to watch all the back and forth, just come out and say you were controlling who would and wouldn't be allowed to bid by having over restrictive rules up front, thus limiting the number of people who thought they would qualify, then changing it without telling anybody because "We Tulsans are proud of Tulsa and are protective of each other!" It's no huge deal, just admit you changed the rules to allow a bid that wouldn't have been allowed in, you just forgot to tell anybody. The rules were of course silly to start with, but that's another issue. "SC posner" wrote in message om... If anyone was really interested they could have asked for a copy of the "new" RFB. I would have gladly sent them a copy. If I remember correctly, very few copies were asked for. All that asked received a copy. Not all the TA's that asked for the RFB submitted bids. But we were fortunate that 4 TA's saw the RFB and took the time to bid. Chip |
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Are you sure everybody only has one vote? Maybe some people have more then
one. We don't know the rules. "SC posner" wrote in message m... Mike, Are you going to vote? If you do, would you go on the cruise you voted for? as far as you waiting for the secret vote to decide everything .... I know what I would vote ... But just like everyone else, I only have one vote! Chip "Mike Cordelli" wrote in message m... I'd prefer to wait for the secret vote where you decide everything. "Judy O'Connor" wrote in message ... So I take it you are accepting the chairmanship? Judy ---In Mike's own mind he's right Mike Cordelli wrote: I guarantee you if I was committee chariman I wouldn't change the rules mid stream without telling anybody. Please indicate when you as the committee posted the change in the rules after the February post when you said you were not changing them? If I'm wrong and it was posted, I will be the first to apologize for my remarks. You posted at least a hundred times you were accepting bids and the rest, funny how the change in the rules never made it. Maybe, just maybe, if you did things up front and on the up and up, there wouldn't be so much fingerpointing and bitching and the rest. By the way, HTML has no place in newsgroups. I love the way the committee is now circling the wagons to protect their own. "Judy O'Connor" wrote in message ... Mike, next year you can be committee chairman. I nominate you as of now. Then you can listen to all the bitching and whining and finger-pointing. I don't care what anybody thinks, we on the committee know what went on. If any of you, and I mean any, had volunteered for this committee, you would be able to see we did not do anything underhanded, we didn't hide anything from anyone. We chose to change the RFB to allow more people to bid and sadly not many did. I know, in your own mind you see it differently. Judy----Waiting to see how Mike Cordelli does next year as committee chairman Mike Cordelli wrote: You guys are totally cracking me up. Lets take a step back to, Oh, I don't know, February 2. The following was posted he -----start The current requirements for bidding are : 1. Be a participating member in RTC 2. Be a full-time travel agent 3. Be owner, principal or can get permission to commit the agency to a contract. I do not think those will change as the committee seems to be in agreement on those items. -----end See that last line? The part about "I do not think these will change as the committee seems to be in agreement on those items? Now the committee comes back to the group and says it's the fault of the people they didn't ask for the "new" terms after they (the committee) stated they would not change? Give it a rest, you used the rules to control the number of people who would be eligible. Then you changed the rules to get people who wouldn't have been eligible under the old rules be allowed to bid, but kept it a secret to control the bidding process. All you guys had to do was post the new rules when you changed them, after saying they wouldn't change. You kept it a secret so people who couldn't bid under the rules would be able to bid. Plain and simple. It's been quite entertaining to watch all the back and forth, just come out and say you were controlling who would and wouldn't be allowed to bid by having over restrictive rules up front, thus limiting the number of people who thought they would qualify, then changing it without telling anybody because "We Tulsans are proud of Tulsa and are protective of each other!" It's no huge deal, just admit you changed the rules to allow a bid that wouldn't have been allowed in, you just forgot to tell anybody. The rules were of course silly to start with, but that's another issue. "SC posner" wrote in message om... If anyone was really interested they could have asked for a copy of the "new" RFB. I would have gladly sent them a copy. If I remember correctly, very few copies were asked for. All that asked received a copy. Not all the TA's that asked for the RFB submitted bids. But we were fortunate that 4 TA's saw the RFB and took the time to bid. Chip |
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Mike,
Never did I say I was the owner of the agency. Don't put words in my mouth. Also, like I said before, just because someone goes to school, doesn't mean they cannot be a full time agent. I know a lot of people who have full time jobs and go to night school. It is very common. I was a full time agent then and a full time agent now. You just had a hard time comprehending that fact. Like I said before, enough said. That's why I have not been posting on R.T.C. for the past year or so anymore because of all the flame wars. Mike Cordelli wrote: I'm sorry, I had thought that in April of 2001, period of time you were not allowed to bid that you were still in school, were not an owner of a travel agency, and were not a full time travel agent. Obviously I'm mistaken, at that time you were all that and were certainly slighted by not being allowed to bid. Again, if I'm wrong, and the post I was referring from April 11th or so of 2001 is incorrect, and you did own an agency then, and were working full time, then I'm wrong. Nice try though. "John Szeto" wrote in message ... Mike, For the record, I am a full time agent and got permission from the agency to able to bind the contract for years already. Get your facts straight. You can argue all you want. Enough said. Mike Cordelli wrote: No No No, he wasn't allowed to bid because he wasn't the owner or even a full time travel agent. That was back when they had rules. "Freddyp" wrote in message news:Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05... Well now Chip Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little one sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto, don't you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his ethics. What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume? Fred -- Best regards, John Szeto -------------- We treat your cruise booking as if we were going ourselves. Cruise and Travel Company If you don't book from us, you're paying too much! E-mail me at: Cruise Review Library http://www.cruisereview.net -- Best regards, John Szeto -------------- We treat your cruise booking as if we were going ourselves. Cruise and Travel Company If you don't book from us, you're paying too much! E-mail me at: Cruise Review Library http://www.cruisereview.net |
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Sorry Chip
1 no-name and 2 assholes now. "John Szeto" wrote in message ... Mike, Never did I say I was the owner of the agency. Don't put words in my mouth. Also, like I said before, just because someone goes to school, doesn't mean they cannot be a full time agent. I know a lot of people who have full time jobs and go to night school. It is very common. I was a full time agent then and a full time agent now. You just had a hard time comprehending that fact. Like I said before, enough said. That's why I have not been posting on R.T.C. for the past year or so anymore because of all the flame wars. Mike Cordelli wrote: I'm sorry, I had thought that in April of 2001, period of time you were not allowed to bid that you were still in school, were not an owner of a travel agency, and were not a full time travel agent. Obviously I'm mistaken, at that time you were all that and were certainly slighted by not being allowed to bid. Again, if I'm wrong, and the post I was referring from April 11th or so of 2001 is incorrect, and you did own an agency then, and were working full time, then I'm wrong. Nice try though. "John Szeto" wrote in message ... Mike, For the record, I am a full time agent and got permission from the agency to able to bind the contract for years already. Get your facts straight. You can argue all you want. Enough said. Mike Cordelli wrote: No No No, he wasn't allowed to bid because he wasn't the owner or even a full time travel agent. That was back when they had rules. "Freddyp" wrote in message news:Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05... Well now Chip Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little one sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto, don't you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his ethics. What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume? Fred -- Best regards, John Szeto -------------- We treat your cruise booking as if we were going ourselves. Cruise and Travel Company If you don't book from us, you're paying too much! E-mail me at: Cruise Review Library http://www.cruisereview.net -- Best regards, John Szeto -------------- We treat your cruise booking as if we were going ourselves. Cruise and Travel Company If you don't book from us, you're paying too much! E-mail me at: Cruise Review Library http://www.cruisereview.net |
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Sue Keenan wrote in message ...
Lloyd Parsons wrote: Woo Hoo! Did we get some nice bids in. And your ggc2005 committee has been hard at work to decide what to put up for bid. We got very nice responses from 4 Travel Agents, here they are (in no particular order) Karen Wheelock of WorldTravel Services of Tulsa, OK. Cal Ford who we all know from here John Szeto who has been trying forever it seems. Peter Berlin who everyone also knows. Wow, this is an eye-opener for this RTC-newsgroup newbie (only 211 threads dating back to Nov 2000). In many other USENET groups, the Travel Agents are treated as SPAMMERS, as they are most interesting in selling something to the readers. Apparently not so, here? Great selection from a bunch of excellent TA's. Do then spread their commissions to the RTC readers/posters? :-))) Lloyd Tropicale 2000 Sensation GGC2002 Golden Princess GGC2003 Radiance of the Seas GGC2004 Celebrity Millenium GLC2005 So how many times has Karen Wheelock posted on rtc? Sue ---found no posts from Google Groups I confirm that finding. Of course s/he could have posted under any of the anonymous posting agents or under the name "Howie"! LOL LOL LOL LOL ... or Sunny ... LOL LOL LOL. -- Bob. |
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I never said you said you were the owner of the agency. If you need to, get
somebody who can read to explain it to you. What I said, and all I was doing was quoting a thread from April of 2001 that you were part of, was that due to the rules in place at the time you could not bid on the silly cruise. Nor did you dispute at the time that you were not full time with the agency. "John Szeto" wrote in message ... Mike, Never did I say I was the owner of the agency. Don't put words in my mouth. Also, like I said before, just because someone goes to school, doesn't mean they cannot be a full time agent. I know a lot of people who have full time jobs and go to night school. It is very common. I was a full time agent then and a full time agent now. You just had a hard time comprehending that fact. Like I said before, enough said. That's why I have not been posting on R.T.C. for the past year or so anymore because of all the flame wars. Mike Cordelli wrote: I'm sorry, I had thought that in April of 2001, period of time you were not allowed to bid that you were still in school, were not an owner of a travel agency, and were not a full time travel agent. Obviously I'm mistaken, at that time you were all that and were certainly slighted by not being allowed to bid. Again, if I'm wrong, and the post I was referring from April 11th or so of 2001 is incorrect, and you did own an agency then, and were working full time, then I'm wrong. Nice try though. "John Szeto" wrote in message ... Mike, For the record, I am a full time agent and got permission from the agency to able to bind the contract for years already. Get your facts straight. You can argue all you want. Enough said. Mike Cordelli wrote: No No No, he wasn't allowed to bid because he wasn't the owner or even a full time travel agent. That was back when they had rules. "Freddyp" wrote in message news:Xc5vc.1832$CW.698@lakeread05... Well now Chip Why would you bother to post Karen's resume and not John's? A little one sided I would say. You do know how everyone has a thing for Mr. Szeto, don't you? For years he was not allowed to bid on a GGC because of his ethics. What changed now? So, I ask again, why not post his resume? Fred -- Best regards, John Szeto -------------- We treat your cruise booking as if we were going ourselves. Cruise and Travel Company If you don't book from us, you're paying too much! E-mail me at: Cruise Review Library http://www.cruisereview.net -- Best regards, John Szeto -------------- We treat your cruise booking as if we were going ourselves. Cruise and Travel Company If you don't book from us, you're paying too much! E-mail me at: Cruise Review Library http://www.cruisereview.net |
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Nope, not nevermind. I was on the last GGC, and yes there was some
complaining, but the vast majority had a good time and didn't let the small stuff get us down..... Lloyd you may have been on the last GGC, I wasn't, but I was on the first four. Petty sniping starting on the first GGC (not a lot, but some) and reached a crescendo on 2002. It was to the point I said screw it, I don't need this nor want it, I can enjoy cruising without it. I have pretty much lurked (infrequently) on r.t.c. since that time. This current GGC seems to be no better. So far since posting the original of this thread a handful of people have taken shots at Karen Wheelock and at the committee's (right or wrong) decision to let her submit a bid. Some of the comments border on petty sniping towards Ms Wheelock. You give a left handed comment to Peter Berlin, i.e. "While I don't have a problem with Peter and think he has delivered on his promises, I do know that others don't feel that way, so we wanted to get some selection." So far in the space of one day this group has probably managed to **** off two of the 4 t/a's. Unless things have changed 500% here on r.t.c. John Szeto probably doesn't have a prayer (after all his shenanigans or years past). So, that leaves only Cal Ford and I have to be wondering what the hell he was thinking. IMO, the best thing these 4 t/a's could do would be to withdraw their bids and collectively tell this group to "**** off", because as a group, you aren't worth the head or heartache. DocJohnB |
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In article , John
wrote: Nope, not nevermind. I was on the last GGC, and yes there was some complaining, but the vast majority had a good time and didn't let the small stuff get us down..... Lloyd you may have been on the last GGC, I wasn't, but I was on the first four. Petty sniping starting on the first GGC (not a lot, but some) and reached a crescendo on 2002. It was to the point I said screw it, I don't need this nor want it, I can enjoy cruising without it. I have pretty much lurked (infrequently) on r.t.c. since that time. Well, crescendo implies that it peaked in 2002, it didn't, it rose a bit more in the 2003 also for many reasons. This current GGC seems to be no better. So far since posting the original of this thread a handful of people have taken shots at Karen Wheelock and at the committee's (right or wrong) decision to let her submit a bid. Some of the comments border on petty sniping towards Ms Wheelock. You give a left handed comment to Peter Berlin, i.e. "While I don't have a problem with Peter and think he has delivered on his promises, I do know that others don't feel that way, so we wanted to get some selection." It wasn't meant to be left handed as I respect Peter and count him as a friend. He knows that. So far in the space of one day this group has probably managed to **** off two of the 4 t/a's. Unless things have changed 500% here on r.t.c. John Szeto probably doesn't have a prayer (after all his shenanigans or years past). So, that leaves only Cal Ford and I have to be wondering what the hell he was thinking. I don't doubt that you are correct. These TA's didn't deserve the flak that was flying around. They worked hard to put these bids together and I know that I certainly appreciate that effort. IMO, the best thing these 4 t/a's could do would be to withdraw their bids and collectively tell this group to "**** off", because as a group, you aren't worth the head or heartache. DocJohnB To be frank it looked like the GGC2005 wasn't going to happen when I was asked to volunteer. That it has gotten this far along is a credit to those that volunteered to be on the committee and no less credit to the TA's that bid. I was almost convinced that since 2 strong groups were formed for January that many had already written off the GGC. Thanks for your comments, a cooler head is alway nice to have around. Lloyd |
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