Nightmare at Reagan National Airport: A Security Story to End all Security Stories

In article ,
Rog' wrote:

Just because we may think that it may not have been irrational for TSA
to react as they did to a shrill, demanding, bitch who likely thought
her baby would get her a fast-pass,

The point is, it *was* irrational for the TSA to act that way, even if your
assumption that she was rude were accurate. You and I (and she) pay the TSA
to serve us by keeping dangerous items out of the passenger cabin. By
wasting resources exacting their petty bureaucratic revenge on one woman,
they made all of us less secure. Nor is rudeness a problem that I want my
government involved in punishing.

The TSA doesn't care abut that; their jobs theoretically consist in looking
for needles in haystacks that don't generally have those needles. There is
zero opportunity for the satisfaction of actually seeing something
accomplished by their efforts. So they shore up their battered self-images
by insisting on an untoward deference, and using their not-inconsiderable
power to vandalize the lives of people whose only fault may have been to be
perceived not to grant that deference.

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Travel News
Nightmare at Reagan National Airport: A Security Story to End all
Security Stories

The TSA has posted a video and incident report on their web site suggesting
the passenger was the primary problem:

http://www.tsa.dhs.gov/approach/mythbusters/index.shtm

In article ,
Larry in AZ wrote:

It's empirical evidence, and I'm not far off. Four hundred million air
passengers travel in the US. How many TSA horror stories do you hear..?

Pretty close to one per air traveller that I speak with. If you don't hear
the stories, you aren't listening.

No, the cases aren't all as egregious as this one. But the stories aren't
paens of gratitude, either.

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Randy Hudson

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:18:40 GMT 'Larry in AZ'
posted this onto rec.travel.air:

What about the other 399,000,000 passengers who had no problems with
TSA..?

You can provide evidence of that can you?

It's empirical evidence, and I'm not far off. Four hundred million air
passengers travel in the US. How many TSA horror stories do you hear..?

Well I'm not in the US, so we wouldn't hear about them.
In any case it would be trivial news.


See how that works..?

Well I see how you use stats to provide a leaky argument.

You seem to not understand how fascism takes root...it doesn't come
in overnight but gradually over time and you wake up one morning when
it's too late. That's what's happenning in the US/UK/elsewhere.

Gitmo anybody?
Check out some of the Patriot laws you have and some of the UK's
Civil Contingency Laws and Terror Laws. The future is frightening.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 19:19:55 GMT 'Larry in AZ'
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Waiving the right to remain silent, hummingbird said:

But if the bossman and his bossman...

You reveal a problem with authority.

As I suspected you have a comprehension problem.

I have spent my life in management for one of the world's largest
corporations and know a little about how management operates and
have much respect for good managers. But I always regret that too
many duffers sneak their way into management (the sort Mxsmanic
is referring to).

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:12:57 +0200 'Mxsmanic'
posted this onto rec.travel.air:

hummingbird writes:

I'm sure. But if the bossman and his bossman continually fail to
support their staff, quite soon the employee churn increases and moral
drops. That's soon followed by poor functional performance.

A lot of companies don't care about that, either. They hire people for
minimum wage, then dump them when they burn out. Churn and morale are
irrelevant, as long as they can continue to pay almost nothing in wages. And
performance may not matter for unskilled occupations.

I'm sure you're right. A very sad state of affairs.
Obviously these people are not managers or leaders, just bosses.

I've always found it difficult to understand why many bosses are so
crap when enormous personal satisfaction can be achieved by being
a good one.

As I alluded to, few bosses who are assholes survive very long.

Unless they were hired by people of the same ilk. I'm reminded of the Taco
Bell manager who supposedly fired someone for using the word "pedagogy" in a
memo.

Should I laugh or cry? Lol.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:00:20 -0500 'James Robinson'
posted this onto rec.travel.air:

wrote:

Travel News
Nightmare at Reagan National Airport: A Security Story to End all
Security Stories

The TSA has posted a video and incident report on their web site suggesting
the passenger was the primary problem:

http://www.tsa.dhs.gov/approach/mythbusters/index.shtm

Spin machine at full throttle?

Mxsmanic wrote:
hummingbird writes:

I'm sure. But if the bossman and his bossman continually fail to
support their staff, quite soon the employee churn increases and
moral drops. That's soon followed by poor functional performance.

A lot of companies don't care about that, either. They hire people
for minimum wage, then dump them when they burn out. Churn and
morale are irrelevant, as long as they can continue to pay almost
nothing in wages. And performance may not matter for unskilled
occupations.

Yep. That's been my observation of a lot of american companies. Ski resorts
in particular! Lowest common denominator rules there. If you can claw your
way up from the machine shop to "management", you get the chance to take
revenge on the world for what you had to endure for years. And the cycle
goes round. And because many resorts can't get american staff any more
(due to wages and crap management), the government lets them import foreign
staff on short term working visas. One in particular springs to mind, right
on the doorstep of a LARGE city, having to import more workers every year.
Speaks volumes but no one does anything aobut it.


As I alluded to, few bosses who are assholes survive very long.

Unless they were hired by people of the same ilk. I'm reminded of
the Taco Bell manager who supposedly fired someone for using the word
"pedagogy" in a memo.

Although Hummingbird's theory is correct (and those of us trained in
management know it), the sad fact is that if poor management is endemic and
the norm, then it will be replicated time and again. Of course businesses
with good management will prosper and attract more of the good staff.


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hummingbird wrote:

I'm sure you're right. A very sad state of affairs.
Obviously these people are not managers or leaders, just bosses.

I've always found it difficult to understand why many bosses are so
crap when enormous personal satisfaction can be achieved by being
a good one.

Untrained managers (ie most of them) don't look at themselves critically.
Someone has seen fit to hang a "manager" tag on them, and they feel that
it's natural and owed. Good managers often go do some training, and find
that they have to behave very differently in order to be a good manager. Bad
ones (most of them) revert to how htey behaved in the school yard, and act
as though they will never be held to account for what they do and say. And
in the US, in my observation, they are correct in that assumption.

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hummingbird wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:00:20 -0500 'James Robinson'
posted this onto rec.travel.air:

wrote:

Travel News
Nightmare at Reagan National Airport: A Security Story to End all
Security Stories

The TSA has posted a video and incident report on their web site
suggesting the passenger was the primary problem:

http://www.tsa.dhs.gov/approach/mythbusters/index.shtm

Spin machine at full throttle?

I expect the TSA people to do a full song and dance routine on that, with
their mops.

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