CNN: Talkative Toddler, Mother Kicked Off Plane

Brian wrote:


“I was crying, I was upset and I was thinking, ‘What am I going to do?
I don’t have anything with me, I don’t have anymore diapers for the
baby, no juice, no milk,� said Penland.

She's traveling with a 19 month old and not planning on providing for
his needs? Also, shouldn't the reporter have used "any more", instead of
"anymore"?


The young mother said she later learned the flight attendant told the
pilot that she had threatened her. Penland said that never happened.

Would she admit it if she had?


Express Jet Airlines released a statement that said, "We received Ms.
Penland’s letter expressing her concerns and intend to investigate its
contents."

A fellow passenger told Channel 2's Rachel Kim none of the other
passengers had problems with Garren and that Penland never threatened
the flight attendant.

How does this passenger know this? Not seeing something happen doesn't
mean it didn't happen. This isn't the same as seeing something happen.
Seeing something happen makes it more likely that it happened. Not
seeing it doesn't mean it didn't happen. I didn't see the All Star Game
in SF, but I am pretty sure it happened.

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NotABushSupporter wrote:

She's traveling with a 19 month old and not planning on providing for
his needs?

The airline had already delayed her flight 12 hours, and security would have
taken all the child's beverages.

Would she admit it if she had?

It sounds like the entire confrontation took place in front of witnesses.

|| A fellow passenger told Channel 2's Rachel Kim none of the other
|| passengers had problems with Garren and that Penland never threatened
|| the flight attendant.

How does this passenger know this? Not seeing something happen doesn't
mean it didn't happen. This isn't the same as seeing something happen.

Belted into a seat on a packed plane, when is there an opportunity to
threaten a flight attendant without someone else overhearing? If the quoted
passenger says he was there and there was no threat, why do you want so
badly to believe the flight attendant over the equally-credible passenger
and at least one corroborating witness?

--
Randy Hudson

Randy Hudson wrote:

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NotABushSupporter wrote:


She's traveling with a 19 month old and not planning on providing for
his needs?


The airline had already delayed her flight 12 hours, and security would have
taken all the child's beverages.

OIC, nothing to drink in the terminal.


Belted into a seat on a packed plane, when is there an opportunity to
threaten a flight attendant without someone else overhearing? If the quoted
passenger says he was there and there was no threat, why do you want so
badly to believe the flight attendant over the equally-credible passenger
and at least one corroborating witness?


Not hearing or seeing something, is not really proof.
The threat could have occured without the witness knowing about it.


If it was this cut and dry, why would the pilot not believe ALL of the
passengers, and still kick her off?

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NotABushSupporter wrote:

OIC, nothing to drink in the terminal.

There was probably water. The child won't die. Would you be happy with
nothing but water to drink for 15-20 hours?

Belted into a seat on a packed plane, when is there an opportunity to
threaten a flight attendant without someone else overhearing? If the quoted
passenger says he was there and there was no threat, why do you want so
badly to believe the flight attendant over the equally-credible passenger
and at least one corroborating witness?

Not hearing or seeing something, is not really proof.
The threat could have occured without the witness knowing about it.

Perhaps the mother and the stewardess both spoke a language that none of the
witnesses knew. Many things are possible, but the "threat" seems unlikely
to me.

If it was this cut and dry, why would the pilot not believe ALL of the
passengers, and still kick her off?

The pilot has better things to do than act as judge in a passenger-crew
dispute. The pilot probably didn't listen to any passengers, nor should he;
he has to trust his crew.

--
Randy Hudson

Randy Hudson wrote:

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NotABushSupporter wrote:


OIC, nothing to drink in the terminal.


There was probably water. The child won't die. Would you be happy with
nothing but water to drink for 15-20 hours?

This was a flight from Atlanta. Surely they at least have Coca Cola and
other Coke products (Miniute Maid OJ) in the terminal.

"Randy Hudson" wrote in message
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In article ,
NotABushSupporter wrote:

She's traveling with a 19 month old and not planning on providing for
his needs?

The airline had already delayed her flight 12 hours, and security would
have
taken all the child's beverages.

Children's milk is allowed...

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

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William Black wrote:

Children's milk is allowed...

Up to what age? Anyway, what's printed on a website isn't what's enforced
by the security personnel. In my experience, they try to enforce a simple
"no liquids" policy, and it takes a great deal of self-confidence to stand
up to them and insist on the rules as written. It doesn't sound like this
woman was a frequent flyer who would have been familiar with those rules.

--
Randy Hudson

The only part of this story that I find hard to believe, is that after
a delay of 11 hours the child was still comparatively well-behaved

And what is wrong with Americans that they tolerate this level of
service? An 11-hour delay is totally unacceptable. If an airline in
France tried to behave like that, there would be a passenger riot.
But for some reasons Americans are incapable of questioning
authority. If all peoples get the government they deserve, the USA
will soon be ruled by North Korea.

other reasonable reasons for kicking damnee baby off the plane:

10. great film starring vin diesel or bruce willis or chuck norris
while annoying baby keeps repeating "tell-tubb"
9. baby-carrier and seat belt are mutually exclusive
8. to prevent melt-down by stewardess
7. baby ****sed the way they're throwing our luggage down-there
6. imitation by the captain of a reassuring actor is grade b ham
5. baby needs more radiation from detector-wand
4. what would messiah do if placed in a sardine tin?
3. baby oughta stay 'n see beautifiul houston waterfront
2. it's a longggg trip from texas to oklahoma with an obnoxious baby
1. to divert atttention from that near (10 yards) disaster at orlando

"NotABushSupporter" wrote in message
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Randy Hudson wrote:

There was probably water. The child won't die. Would you be
happy with nothing but water to drink for 15-20 hours?

This was a flight from Atlanta. Surely they at least have Coca
Cola and other Coke products (Miniute Maid OJ) in the terminal.

First you criticized the woman's ability to look after her son and now you
suggest that she give Coca Cola to a 19-month-old infant?

Perhaps she has a better understanding of nutrition than you and would have
preferred to provide something healthy.

Richard