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Sikhs oppose new turban rules
Nobody wrote:
the_niner_nation wrote: How ironic it is that the Sikhs, a peaceful people who do wear ceremonial daggers and whose way of life is sooooooo incompaitble with North america are the ones to be singled out, whilst it's perfectly acceptable for other Americans to walk around wearing equally unacceptable headgear and carrying handguns with the intention to use and kill as opposed to symbolise a faith.... In Canada at least, walking in public places with a weapon is prohibited by law. Sihks went to supreme court to get an exception to this. In Canada, the long standard and well known standard uniform for the mounted police (one of our national emblems) had to be changed because one sihk immigrant insisted he be allowed to apply for such job, and went to the supreme court to have the uniform ruled unconstitutional because it discriminated against a religion that mandates only a certain type of hat can be worn and never removed. When an immigrant forces your country to change its long standing traditions and emblems, you don't have much respect for that type of religion that shows it it unwilling to adapt to a place the person is moving to and forcing a whole country to adapt to their own little needs. If the Supreme Court states they should be permitted to wear their standard headwear, the obviously this is according to the laws of Canada. Are you complaining that they are anti-Canadian because they went to the Supreme Court? |
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Sikhs oppose new turban rules
mrtravel wrote:
If the Supreme Court states they should be permitted to wear their standard headwear, the obviously this is according to the laws of Canada. Are you complaining that they are anti-Canadian because they went to the Supreme Court? Charter of rights prohibits discrimination based on religion, sex, race etc. The mountie uniform has existed for a long time and is part of canada's image. Some immigrant comes to canada and *demands* a job as a mountie, knowing full well that the standard uniform is incompatible with his social lifestyle. He goes to supreme court, claims religious discrimination and forces the country to change its national emblem. The equivalent would be for me to immigrate to India go to their supreme court and demand that no indian be allowed to prohibit the slaughter of cows. If I immigrate to India, I would do so accepting that in some cases/areas, I would not have access to steaks. If someone immigrates to Canada or any other country, they should accept that in some cases, their original lifestyle would prevent them from doing certain things. This is not discrimination against them, it is just rules/traditions that have been established long before they arrived here and thus, they knew full well what to expect when they made the decision to immigrate to some country. Say some Sihk went to apply to NASA to be an astronaut and had all the necessary skills. Would you like it if he went to the supreme court of the USA when NASA would tell him to remove his turban for flight into space since there was no room for his turban in the space helmet ? BTW, in the mountie case, the guy had been given the job but told to wear the standard uniform which he refused. So the RCMP had not discriminated against him in their decision to hire or not that person. But the job required wearing a specific uniform which the person refused to do and then went to supreme court to force the RCMP to change the uniform. |
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Sikhs oppose new turban rules
Nobody wrote:
Say some Sihk went to apply to NASA to be an astronaut and had all the necessary skills. Would you like it if he went to the supreme court of the USA when NASA would tell him to remove his turban for flight into space since there was no room for his turban in the space helmet ? I think the fact that you are calling it a "turban" pretty much explains it all. |
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Sikhs oppose new turban rules
In message Craig Welch
wrote: Scott in SoCal wrote: A turban is just like any other hat, or a jacket, or a belt, or anything else you have to take off when you go through airport screening. No it's not. You can't take off a turban and put it back on in 10 seconds, let alone 10 minutes. It takes my brother a good 10 minutes to manage to re-tie his shoes (for reasons as yet undetermined) -- Does that mean he can leave them on when passing through airport security? -- You can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 than just a kind word. |
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Sikhs oppose new turban rules
"Craig Welch" wrote in message ... the_niner_nation wrote: To satisfy your ignorant paranoia, Sikhs don't have any ill-will or wishes against America or the West..that is the the domain of the muslims. You are a little confused. When you say 'Muslims', are you suggesting that all Muslims harbour ill-will towards the US or the West? Or are you saying, a little more reasonably, that *some* Muslims, extremists, harbour such feelings? Because if you limit your argument to the extremists, you don't have an argument any more. Because, my good fellow, there are Muslim extremists, Sikh extremists, Christian extremists, Jewish extremists. Yep, those other groups sure have hijacked a lot of planes and attacked a lot of civilians. Muslim terrorism is getting more air-time, of course, because of the events of 11/9, and the mis-guided US response. If I were a Muslim living in Iraq, and saw my family killed by US soldiers (or others of the 'Coalition of the Gullible'), I would likely become somewhat extreme also. And dedicate the rest of my life to getting revenge. But none of that "revenge" for the U.S., right? But that aside, it's ridiculous to cast people of one particular religion or another as peace loving or war loving, when people of all religions start and prosecute wars, and when other people of those same religions preach peace. As do most Muslims. Except that not too many other holy treatises advocate anything on the order of jihad and extermination. |
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Sikhs oppose new turban rules
On Sep 25, 5:47 pm, Craig Welch wrote:
Sancho Panza wrote: "Craig Welch" wrote in message ... the_niner_nation wrote: To satisfy your ignorant paranoia, Sikhs don't have any ill-will or wishes against America or the West..that is the the domain of the muslims. You are a little confused. When you say 'Muslims', are you suggesting that all Muslims harbour ill-will towards the US or the West? Or are you saying, a little more reasonably, that *some* Muslims, extremists, harbour such feelings? Because if you limit your argument to the extremists, you don't have an argument any more. Because, my good fellow, there are Muslim extremists, Sikh extremists, Christian extremists, Jewish extremists. Yep, those other groups sure have hijacked a lot of planes and attacked a lot of civilians. You seem to think that's not the case. Have you not heard of Babbar Khalsa (Sikh)? Blew up an aeroplane. Many a civilian has been killed by Sikhs in the name of an independent Sikh state. Christian terrorists? The list is too long to even begin here, but think of Northern Ireland, the Ku Klux Klan, and so on. There wouldn't be an Jewish terrorists, would there? Heh. Just think 'Mossad', and observe the daily civilian killings by Israelis in the Middle East. Muslim terrorism is getting more air-time, of course, because of the events of 11/9, and the mis-guided US response. If I were a Muslim living in Iraq, and saw my family killed by US soldiers (or others of the 'Coalition of the Gullible'), I would likely become somewhat extreme also. And dedicate the rest of my life to getting revenge. But none of that "revenge" for the U.S., right? Huh? Of course it would be against the US and its partners. But that aside, it's ridiculous to cast people of one particular religion or another as peace loving or war loving, when people of all religions start and prosecute wars, and when other people of those same religions preach peace. As do most Muslims. Except that not too many other holy treatises advocate anything on the order of jihad and extermination. You seem not to have read the Koran. Come back when you've done so. Any time you are able to show the Koran prohibiting jihad and conquests of infidels, please feel free to do so. |
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In message Craig Welch
wrote: DevilsPGD wrote: A turban is just like any other hat, or a jacket, or a belt, or anything else you have to take off when you go through airport screening. No it's not. You can't take off a turban and put it back on in 10 seconds, let alone 10 minutes. It takes my brother a good 10 minutes to manage to re-tie his shoes (for reasons as yet undetermined) -- Does that mean he can leave them on when passing through airport security? Not at all. But it's clear that he should not be travelling without a companion. Naaa, he just clears the area and ties his shoes up later (and I have been informed that 10 minutes is only when he is intentionally delaying, otherwise it's 6 minutes -- His boots need to be partially re-laced each time they're tied) -- You can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 than just a kind word. |
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Sikhs oppose new turban rules
In message Craig Welch
wrote: DevilsPGD wrote: It takes my brother a good 10 minutes to manage to re-tie his shoes (for reasons as yet undetermined) -- Does that mean he can leave them on when passing through airport security? Not at all. But it's clear that he should not be travelling without a companion. Naaa, he just clears the area and ties his shoes up later (and I have been informed that 10 minutes is only when he is intentionally delaying, otherwise it's 6 minutes -- His boots need to be partially re-laced each time they're tied) Be a good brother and buy him a pair of loafers. He prefers steal toes shoes... Who am I to argue? -- You can get more with a kind word and a 2x4 than just a kind word. |
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Sikhs oppose new turban rules
Sancho Panza wrote:
Any time you are able to show the Koran prohibiting jihad and conquests of infidels, please feel free to do so. Care to point out where the bible prohibits Jihad??? |
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Sikhs oppose new turban rules
DevilsPGD wrote:
In message Craig Welch wrote: DevilsPGD wrote: A turban is just like any other hat, or a jacket, or a belt, or anything else you have to take off when you go through airport screening. No it's not. You can't take off a turban and put it back on in 10 seconds, let alone 10 minutes. It takes my brother a good 10 minutes to manage to re-tie his shoes (for reasons as yet undetermined) -- Does that mean he can leave them on when passing through airport security? Not at all. But it's clear that he should not be travelling without a companion. Naaa, he just clears the area and ties his shoes up later (and I have been informed that 10 minutes is only when he is intentionally delaying, otherwise it's 6 minutes -- His boots need to be partially re-laced each time they're tied) That kind of reminds me of the day before my sailing test when, for some reason, I kept screwing up the cleat hitch knot. It was no problem during the test the next day. |
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