Clueless first-timer needs advice about cruises please

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 21:46:08 GMT, Peri
wrote:


Just for the record ... one more time .... I was never on about shorts
(that was another poster). I don't even carry shorts with me on this
cruise!

Ahem, Bob, please let me refresh your memory, as * I * was the person you flamed
with your shorts post. Here is the exchange in its entirety:

snip yes, but I didn't actually mention shorts per se, so I'm still
right in not having specifically brought up shorts.

I'm happy to take your current back-pedaling as an apology.

Not backpeddling, just clarification. 8*)

Ok .... I'll drop my shorts ....

Bob T.

Bob Thomas wrote:

OK in theory, but in practice not that easy. Fortunately I won't be
having too much drama with formal nights on my particular cruise,
simply because of the season and the geogrphical location - I still
have to pack a bulky jacket.

Sorry, bulky jackets have been banned from all flights that originate in
Australia.
This probably won't affect you, though, since as someone else here suggested,
you may just be a troll.

Bob Thomas wrote:

On 05 Aug 2004 20:20:12 GMT, ando (RTCReferee)
wrote:

Bob Thomas wrote:

In other words, in order for you to feel comfortable you want to exile
those who don't dress up to a lesser part of the ship?

In your case, the short answer might just be: YES.

Odd. I just read one of your message in which you alluded to the
"manners and courtesy" which goes with those who dress up. Apparently
you didn't read your last message.

Mmm, yes. I think I said: In your case, the short answer might just be: YES.


Other diners might have a more civilized evening if you are not there to call
them penguins. If that means you might be exiled, well....let me think: yeah,
OK.

Bob Thomas wrote:

On 05 Aug 2004 20:20:12 GMT, ando (RTCReferee)
wrote:

Bob Thomas wrote:

In other words, in order for you to feel comfortable you want to exile
those who don't dress up to a lesser part of the ship?

In your case, the short answer might just be: YES.

Odd. I just read one of your message in which you alluded to the
"manners and courtesy" which goes with those who dress up. Apparently
you didn't read your last message.

Mmm, yes. I think I said: In your case, the short answer might just be: YES.


Other diners might have a more civilized evening if you are not there to call
them penguins. If that means you might be exiled, well....let me think: yeah,
OK.

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 08:30:25 +1000, Bob Thomas
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:54:33 GMT, Dillon Pyron
wrote:


Now I have a new problem to deal with ... the cruise company I took
the cruise from has just admitted to me that they do not, after all,
pay for all on-board tipping (despite saying so in their brochure). So
now I'm faced with yet another expense that wasn't budgeted for!


The fine print always gets you. Especially when it's not printed.

Ahhh ... but in this case it *was* printed ! A specific statement that
"all onboard gratuities are included".

As this amounts to around $364 AUD it effectively means I'm being
ripped off for that amount.

I shall be having words to the company, who say that it was an
oversight and shouldn't have been in the brochure.

Unfortunately for you, since the line doesn't actually do business in
Australia, your consumer protection laws won't help. This has all the
flavor of a bait & switch. You should probably talk to your agent and
encourage them to not do any more business with the line. Tell all
your friends. And tell the line you are blackballing them. It may
not help, but they may rollover for you to get you to shutup and be a
"good boy".

No guarntees. This isn't a case of live and learn, though.


After all ... think of the jacket I could have bought with that money!

Sounds like you could have bought that tux. :-)

8*)

Bob T.

--
dillon

When I was a kid, I thought the angel's name was Hark
and the horse's name was Bob.

Bob Thomas wrote:

Unfortunately, wearing a suit does not guarantee either manners or
courtesy.

Agreed.

Dressing up has no relationship with either.

In this case, it does. If you are requested to dress appropriately (however
that is defined by the cruise line) to dine in the main dining room on formal
night during your cruise, and you make a scene while you refuse, and try to
gain entrance, you are behaving very discourteously. You add insult to injury
when you refer to your fellow passengers—some of whom may take delight in
dressing in tuxedos—as "penguins." You have numerous options open to you,
and they have been reasonably suggested to you. You do not need to pack a suit
or anything else you don't want to pack, but then you should not expect to dine
in the "fancy digs" on certain evenings. It's that simple.

Now you can have the last word.

I'm done with you.

Bob Thomas wrote:

Unfortunately, wearing a suit does not guarantee either manners or
courtesy.

Agreed.

Dressing up has no relationship with either.

In this case, it does. If you are requested to dress appropriately (however
that is defined by the cruise line) to dine in the main dining room on formal
night during your cruise, and you make a scene while you refuse, and try to
gain entrance, you are behaving very discourteously. You add insult to injury
when you refer to your fellow passengers—some of whom may take delight in
dressing in tuxedos—as "penguins." You have numerous options open to you,
and they have been reasonably suggested to you. You do not need to pack a suit
or anything else you don't want to pack, but then you should not expect to dine
in the "fancy digs" on certain evenings. It's that simple.

Now you can have the last word.

I'm done with you.

A Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:51:01 +1000, Bob Thomas
escribió:
On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:29:15 -0400, *bicker*
wrote:
I think you're wrong about linkage between cruising for the
social life and pretentiousness. I think they're
independent variables.
If only they were "independant", but from all the posts here it seems
that they are reluctant to allow independence of choice on this issue.
That's all I ask for really, the right to travel casually without
being forced into someone else's mold - not a big ask if you ask me.
After all, I've never suggested banning formal clothing.

I still say they're independent. I'm interested in the
"social life" and will dress in a suit, but wholeheartedly
support your decision to interpret "formal" differently.


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A Thu, 05 Aug 2004 08:51:01 +1000, Bob Thomas
escribió:
On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:29:15 -0400, *bicker*
wrote:
I think you're wrong about linkage between cruising for the
social life and pretentiousness. I think they're
independent variables.
If only they were "independant", but from all the posts here it seems
that they are reluctant to allow independence of choice on this issue.
That's all I ask for really, the right to travel casually without
being forced into someone else's mold - not a big ask if you ask me.
After all, I've never suggested banning formal clothing.

I still say they're independent. I'm interested in the
"social life" and will dress in a suit, but wholeheartedly
support your decision to interpret "formal" differently.


--
bicker®
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/D...ry_040602.html

Bob Thomas wrote:

On 05 Aug 2004 21:43:49 GMT, ando (RTCReferee)
wrote:


Then of course there are the snobs that want to require everyone on the
ship to dress up otherwise it ruins their whole cruise experience.

It has nothing to do with snobbery. It relates to manners and courtesy.


Unfortunately, wearing a suit does not guarantee either manners or
courtesy. Dressing up has no relationship with either.

Following the dress code, on a cruise ship, at a wedding or going out to
dinner does show manners and courtesy.

sue