European trip ?'s

Following up to David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of
besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy

To tell the truth, I wouldn't mind if some of the airlines were a bit
stricter. I was on a full NW plane last night from Boston to Amsterdam
where quite a few people had two large carry-ons with them. It wasted a
lot of time in loading the plane IMO, and several of the passengers had
to have the cabin crew check-in some of the bags which wouldn't fit.

I get the impression from this NG that in US quite a few people
take all or a lot of stuff in the cabin, which is much less
likely to be tolerated in Europe? Although it seems hit and miss,
Ive been waiting with a small rucksack that was challenged
although well inside rules, while others sailed through with
wheeled suitcases with a second bag on top clearly miles over
sized. Perhaps they were all bizz class.
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Mike Reid
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Following up to David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of
besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy

I'm with you on the principle, but I disagree about 7pm. That's too early.
You should have dinner before going to bed, because getting your stomach on
European time is part of the way to overcome jet lag. It depends to some
extent on where you are, but in most European countries, there's no way to
have dinner and be in bed by 7, because the restaurants aren't even open
yet.

Where in Europe is a restaurant not open by 7? I ask, because we're
early diners, and have never had a problem.

Spain, (Andalucia in particular) I would have thought, although
I've never actually tried to get dinner as rearly as 7 in Spain.
What do you do for the rest of the day?
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Following up to B Vaughan

I'm not sure I agree that Europeans travel a lot lighter than
Americans, or at least I would have to say that Italians are an
exception to the rule.

the typical American is Europe is going to be on a longer trip
than the typical European in Europe. I rarely go for more than a
week, for instance.
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Mike Reid
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Following up to Juliana L Holm

I have a Rick Steves' Back Door bag, and usually travel in that

I suppose it saves on buying a ticket? No good if traveling
alone, though.
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Following up to David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of
besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy

I think you're missing the point- many people here are comfortable with
vernacular names- doesn't mean they use them when they write in English.
In any case, it doesn't make sense that you Englished Venice, but not
the other two.

I didnt miss the point, I just don't care over much, but to the
degree I do care I cant really see the point of English names for
somewhere as familiar as Italy (more sense for places unfamiliar
or script problems like Moskva), "Florence" made sense when only
4 people form olde englande had ever been there, now Gary and
Sandra have been for the weekend, what's the point other than
making maps and signposts hard to understand? (the days when
Brit's couldn't get their heads round sounding Spanish and
Italian words have gone haven't they? Or should have! You still
hear Loret for Lloret and tener-reef but never Landz-a-rot for
some reason).

(Neither can I see the point of people who complain about the
English names like "the argentine" as if its some crime against
language).

With preference for the "real" name is there's a
choice in the front of my mind.

Huh?

the real name of Venice didnt occur to me as I typed, its not a
dissertation, is it? I just used what came into my mind. My
answer to Martin (shrug) probably summed it up!
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Following up to Jens Arne Maennig

There are some very cool small towns like Bruges

117,327 inhabitants

117,329 now
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Following up to Iceman

London is definitely not "just another big city". It has a tremendous
amount of history, world-class museums, a leading theater scene, and
loads of interesting neighborhoods and sights.

yes, just walk along the Thames from the old docks
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/thame178x.htm"
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/thame180ax.htm"
, across a bridge into Southwark for a pint in the George
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/london200x.htm"
buy something to eat in Borough Market
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/borough.htm"
and then on along the riverfront to the concert halls
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/london312ax.htm"
and you will realise theres enough to fill a month without
leaving the riverfront!!!
--
Mike Reid
Drinking the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/thamespath.htm"

The Reid wrote:
Following up to Jens Arne Maennig

There are some very cool small towns like Bruges

117,327 inhabitants

117,329 now

Who got twins?

Jens

Following up to Jens Arne Maennig

117,327 inhabitants

117,329 now

Who got twins?

It was triplets, but a guy called Hans moved away :-)
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""Király"" wrote in message
news:CfTuf.29860$km.2434@edtnps89...
PTRAVEL wrote:
Sorry, but that's not true. Virtually all U.S. airlines have "internet
special" prices that are unpublished and unavailable from travel agents.

And good travel agents have access to even lower fares that are not
available from the airlines directly, or from any other online source.
When I was researching prices for Malev flight 0097 from Toronto to
Budapest last year, my travel agent was able to get me a price much lower
than any website, and several hundred dollars lower than Malev's own
"web-only special."

I can't speak for Malev or other non-US airlines, but the lower fares that
TAs can access are unpublished. Unpublished fares on US airlines are,
frequently, ineligible for upgrades, may not provide full mileage credit for
FF programs, and are heavily restricted.


only -- there are airlines out there I wouldn't fly if they gave me a
ticket
for free. However, for leisure travel, I will always book on-line,
usually
directly with the airline's website, to avoid the ticketing fee, get the
best price, and have access to the maximum number of alternatives.

You won't get the lowest price on an international ticket from an
airline. IATA-member airlines cannot sell an international ticket for
anything less than the IATA-approved lowest fare. But consolidator travel
agents can undercut that price by rebating some of their commission to
the customer:

As I mentioned in another post, consolidator tickets can be problematic --
correcting errors can, often, only be done through the consolidator, the
ticket cannot be changed, if the flight is missed the ticket can't be
applied as credit to a new ticket, etc. I do not base my flying options
solely on price.


"All sales of international tickets on scheduled airlines at less than
official fares are made through travel agencies, not directly by the
airlines, and ultimately depend on rebating of commissions by travel
agents to customers. This is how travel agencies can and do, quite
legally, offer lower prices for international tickets than the airlines
themselves."

See http://hasbrouck.org/faq/#Section_5

K.