Brooklyn Welcomes Cruise Ships!

"Charles" wrote in message
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In article , Karen Segboer
wrote:

At least, sailing out of Philly, you'd get to see the SS US. The best
you'd get from Red Hook is a garbage barge and floating used condoms
left behind by the "sidewalk hostesses."

I don't think it will be so bad. My expectation is that they will sail
up and around Governers Island then back down past the statue of
Liberty.


Probably depends on where the channel is.

--Tom

"E.k.R." wrote in message
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"Chrissy Cruiser" wrote in message
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Right now, Ernie, they ball is so far in their court they are making hay
while the sun shines. And will continue to up prices, squeeze expenses
until the pax stop increasing bookings.


Exactly! And I recall reading many posts on r.t.c. about people actually
looking forward to Carnival taking over Princess and getting bigger and
bigger. Huge mistake IMO.

Meanwhile, Carnival profits soar and soar. Great for Micky and the large
stockholders.



I remember quite a few people here at r.t.c. who wanted Mickey to take the
Princess to the dance.

Bye, bye (or should that be Buy, buy?) Princess.

--Tom

"number6" wrote in message
ups.com...

FeAudrey wrote:
You're not going to miss the Statue of Liberty; it's right opposite
Red
Hook.


Not exactly ... the Statue is somewhat north west from Red Hook...
You'll sail south and already be past it ...


Bayonne's terminal is also past Lady Liberty on the way out of NY Harbor.

I'm honestly very disappointed in both Carnival/Princes/Cunard and
RCI/Celebrity not sailing from Manhattan any longer from a "sailing past the
sights" perspective. Though I've tried getting away from the Manhattan
terminals on a crowded day... and it's not pretty. I'm not sure there is
any good solution. Maybe the only good solution (too late now) might have
been sailing out of NJ from up in Hoboken (up by Ken G.). That way you'd
still sail past all the great sights. Though the roads there couldn't
support any additional traffic.

--Tom

The Philadelphia Cruise Terminal is a newly renovated historic
structure, with lots of parking, in a totally safe and secure area of
the former Philadelphia Navy Yard. It is readily accessible, in minutes,
via a direct and attractive interstate highway from the Philadelphia
International Airport [in fact, just over the I-95 bridge] as well as
from Center City (i.e., Downtown) and the AMTRAK station.

Don't knock it if you haven't tried it [and don't compare the
existing/proven Philadelphia facility to a forthcoming unknown pier
rehabilitation in a remote, not readily accessible and unsafe area of
Brooklyn]!

Even W. C. Fields would prefer cruising from/to Philadelphia over
sailing from/to Brooklyn!

E.k.R. wrote:
Nothing like getting car jacked on your way to drop off luggage for that
special QM2 crossing!

Sometimes I think Carnival has their head up their ass. I wonder sometimes
if they ever consider the impact some of their decisions have on the
customer, rather than just the bottom line.



Thanks for saying that, Ernie. I'm glad there are some in the industry
that will speak out for the impact of a company's decisions on the
customer outside of the bottom line.

NYC rebuilt Yankee Stadium, turned Times Square around, the lower East
side, and could turn the NYC piers into something state of the art
while keeping a certain timeless style about it. Red Hook may become
chic one day, but it isn't Manhattan. There's only one Manhattan.

Ben S.


Ernie

On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 05:21:16 GMT, Benjamin Smith
wrote:

Thanks for saying that, Ernie. I'm glad there are some in the industry
that will speak out for the impact of a company's decisions on the
customer outside of the bottom line.

Hi Ben,

I could be wrong but I don't think Ernie is part of the cruise
industry unless he now flys on a sea-plane. vbg

Best regards,
Ray
LIGHTHOUSE TRAVEL
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http://www.lighthousetravel.com

"Sue and Kevin Mullen" wrote in message
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Ray Goldenberg wrote:


This move
will relieve the congestion at the Manhattan cruise piers.

Yeah, it will relieve the congestion in Manhattan, but for those of us
coming from New Jersey, it is going to be a pain getting there. The
route we will have to take is usually congested no matter what time of
the day you are there.

sue



Granted my New York geography is a bit lacking, but I pulled up maps of the
area where the Brooklyn cruise ship terminal will be. If I am reading this
right, it will be at Atlantic Ave. and Columbia St., right off exit 27 of
the BQE (I-278). Folks from New Jersey can take I-278 across Staten Island
and the Verazano Narrows bridge, and end up going directly to the terminal,
unless traffic gets real fun at the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel (I-478) right
there. Now, if you are coming from the north, you could take I-95 across
the George Washington Bridge, pick up the Deegan Expressway (I-87) south to
the Grand Central Parkway (I-278) towards LaGuardia (is that the Tri-Borough
Bridge?), and follow I-278 as it becomes the BQE.

Now, you New Yorkers, please tell me what is wrong with these directions.

--
I'm Tom Smith, and I approved this message.

"Sue and Kevin Mullen" wrote in message
...


Ray Goldenberg wrote:


This move
will relieve the congestion at the Manhattan cruise piers.

Yeah, it will relieve the congestion in Manhattan, but for those of us
coming from New Jersey, it is going to be a pain getting there. The
route we will have to take is usually congested no matter what time of
the day you are there.

sue



Granted my New York geography is a bit lacking, but I pulled up maps of the
area where the Brooklyn cruise ship terminal will be. If I am reading this
right, it will be at Atlantic Ave. and Columbia St., right off exit 27 of
the BQE (I-278). Folks from New Jersey can take I-278 across Staten Island
and the Verazano Narrows bridge, and end up going directly to the terminal,
unless traffic gets real fun at the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel (I-478) right
there. Now, if you are coming from the north, you could take I-95 across
the George Washington Bridge, pick up the Deegan Expressway (I-87) south to
the Grand Central Parkway (I-278) towards LaGuardia (is that the Tri-Borough
Bridge?), and follow I-278 as it becomes the BQE.

Now, you New Yorkers, please tell me what is wrong with these directions.

--
I'm Tom Smith, and I approved this message.

George Leppla wrote:

"shoreguy" wrote


That's a shame. Part of the wonder of cruising to or from NYC is that trip
past the Statue of Liberty and up the Hudson to midtown. I still remember
the first time. Many of the crew gathered on the bow and were as
overwhelmed
as we were.


The "shame" lies in the fact that for years and years, New York City refused
to spend any money to provide cruise passengers with proper facilities. I
have been in many ports and in my opinion, the cruise ship terminals in New
York were the worst managed permanent facilities I have ever seen.


NYC is interested in getting the Olympics in 2012 and finding something
to do with the train yards on the West side. The shame I see is not
recognizing the whole allure by various parties to those visiting the
city via ship, at a time when cruise ship travel is expanding.

Did you see the NYC subways in the 1970s? or Times Square? or Bryant
Park? There are a number of public facilities that were in disrepair or
obsolete the city turned around, after years of neglect. The facilities
would be easy. The problem I see is 12th Avenue.

Royal Caribbean had the right idea by moving to New Jersey. Carnival Corp
is heading to Brooklyn and that may be an improvement depending on how they
develop the terminal, parking and access. I have visions of Red Hook
becoming just another traffic jam.


I don't know about right idea, it is an idea that makes business sense.
But, they also could have recognized the allure of cruising into the
center of Manhattan and campaigned with proposals on how to improve it.
Passengers and crew are in the heart of the city when cruising into and
from NYC piers, only a few avenues away from it. That's a good thing for
both.

NCL based a ship year round in NYC. It's working out well.

With much fewer sailings out of Manhattan, maybe the Port Authority will
finally be able to handle what little they have left.



There are always issues of coordination in NYC. I think most pax feel
that keeping the ships in Manhattan would be worth it. But it just isn't
that big a priority for the players involved to do so.

Ben S.

George Leppla wrote:

"shoreguy" wrote


That's a shame. Part of the wonder of cruising to or from NYC is that trip
past the Statue of Liberty and up the Hudson to midtown. I still remember
the first time. Many of the crew gathered on the bow and were as
overwhelmed
as we were.


The "shame" lies in the fact that for years and years, New York City refused
to spend any money to provide cruise passengers with proper facilities. I
have been in many ports and in my opinion, the cruise ship terminals in New
York were the worst managed permanent facilities I have ever seen.


NYC is interested in getting the Olympics in 2012 and finding something
to do with the train yards on the West side. The shame I see is not
recognizing the whole allure by various parties to those visiting the
city via ship, at a time when cruise ship travel is expanding.

Did you see the NYC subways in the 1970s? or Times Square? or Bryant
Park? There are a number of public facilities that were in disrepair or
obsolete the city turned around, after years of neglect. The facilities
would be easy. The problem I see is 12th Avenue.

Royal Caribbean had the right idea by moving to New Jersey. Carnival Corp
is heading to Brooklyn and that may be an improvement depending on how they
develop the terminal, parking and access. I have visions of Red Hook
becoming just another traffic jam.


I don't know about right idea, it is an idea that makes business sense.
But, they also could have recognized the allure of cruising into the
center of Manhattan and campaigned with proposals on how to improve it.
Passengers and crew are in the heart of the city when cruising into and
from NYC piers, only a few avenues away from it. That's a good thing for
both.

NCL based a ship year round in NYC. It's working out well.

With much fewer sailings out of Manhattan, maybe the Port Authority will
finally be able to handle what little they have left.



There are always issues of coordination in NYC. I think most pax feel
that keeping the ships in Manhattan would be worth it. But it just isn't
that big a priority for the players involved to do so.

Ben S.