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  #101  
Old May 1st, 2015, 03:17 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
Dan Stephenson
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Default body scanners in European airports

On 2015-04-29 18:10:38 +0000, Erilar said:

They've got them now in Duesseldorf International.


Body scanners don't bother me, but taking off my shoes did. Being obviously
old and leaning on a cane has been sparing me lately, however.


Are they the only option? or is there a regular metal detector beside it?

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  #102  
Old May 18th, 2015, 01:50 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Tom P[_6_]
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Default body scanners in European airports

On 05/18/2015 08:43 AM, Quintus Clemens wrote:
Are they the only option? or is there a regular metal detector
beside it?


In the US, you can opt-out of the scan, at which point they do a
pat-down. Would be useful to know if the same option exists in
europe.

Exactly what are you scared of? If you are worried about radiation
then perhaps you shouldn't fly at all.


Are you saying unavoidable radition at altitude exceeds the exposure
of imposed and man-made radiation from the scanner?

BTW, radiation isn't the only concern. Some travelers are shy about
having their full nude body examined (as the scanner is good enough to
produce an image that closely resembles the nude body).

Travelers heading for a casino might not want their money-belt to
trigger cross-examination harassment.

It's not difficult to find issues with the scanner.


The scanners I have seen do not show a body, they show a schematic
outline with the areas hilighted that the security guy checks manually.

  #103  
Old May 18th, 2015, 08:44 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Nomen Nescio
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Default body scanners in European airports

Some travellers are more concerned that a fellow traveller has
explosives concealed on their body.


Some travellers would like to do away with the security theatre.

Travelers heading for a casino might not want their money-belt to
trigger cross-examination harassment.


Then declare that you have money on your body.


Give up your privacy in a misguided attempt to achieve privacy? Catch
22. In the US it tramples the 5th amendment.

One of the major problems with the scanner is that it's used to
discover non-safety related contraband that creates an intrusive and
irreversable industry. In the US searches are supposed to be executed
in a manner that limits the search to what they believe they will
find, not go on a fishing expedition for anything illegal. E.g. it's
not acceptible for a cop to search through someones paper documents if
they are looking for a brick of cocaine.

I'm probably getting off in the woods here, as Europe doesn't have the
same resistence to "general warrants" that the US has.

  #104  
Old May 23rd, 2015, 11:47 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
Nomen Nescio
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Default body scanners in European airports

Are they the only option? or is there a regular metal detector
beside it?


In the US, you can opt-out of the scan, at which point they do a
pat-down. Would be useful to know if the same option exists in
europe.

Exactly what are you scared of? If you are worried about radiation
then perhaps you shouldn't fly at all.


Are you saying unavoidable radition at altitude exceeds the exposure
of imposed and man-made radiation from the scanner?

BTW, radiation isn't the only concern. Some travelers are shy about
having their full nude body examined (as the scanner is good enough to
produce an image that closely resembles the nude body).

Travelers heading for a casino might not want their money-belt to
trigger cross-examination harassment.

It's not difficult to find issues with the scanner.

  #105  
Old May 23rd, 2015, 12:44 PM posted to rec.travel.europe
Tom P[_6_]
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Default body scanners in European airports

On 05/23/2015 12:47 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Are they the only option? or is there a regular metal detector
beside it?


In the US, you can opt-out of the scan, at which point they do a
pat-down. Would be useful to know if the same option exists in
europe.


I seem to recall a notice at Gatwick - no scan, no fly.
Conflicting reports here -
http://www.civilrightsmovement.co.uk...body-scan.html

Exactly what are you scared of? If you are worried about radiation
then perhaps you shouldn't fly at all.


Are you saying unavoidable radition at altitude exceeds the exposure
of imposed and man-made radiation from the scanner?

BTW, radiation isn't the only concern. Some travelers are shy about
having their full nude body examined (as the scanner is good enough to
produce an image that closely resembles the nude body).

Travelers heading for a casino might not want their money-belt to
trigger cross-examination harassment.


Travelers in Europe can be subject to limits on the amount of cash they
have with them, scanner or no scanner.

It's not difficult to find issues with the scanner.


  #106  
Old May 24th, 2015, 12:31 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
Dan Stephenson
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Default body scanners in European airports

On 2015-05-23 11:44:38 +0000, Tom P said:

On 05/23/2015 12:47 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
Are they the only option? or is there a regular metal detector
beside it?


In the US, you can opt-out of the scan, at which point they do a
pat-down. Would be useful to know if the same option exists in
europe.


I seem to recall a notice at Gatwick - no scan, no fly.
Conflicting reports here -
http://www.civilrightsmovement.co.uk...body-scan.html


The consequences are a train ride to Paris and flying home from there!

This simply increases the cost of visiting Britain, which frankly is
expensive enough!

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http://stepheda.com
Travel pages for Europe and the U.S.A. (and New Zealand too)

  #107  
Old May 25th, 2015, 09:05 AM posted to rec.travel.europe
Nomen Nescio
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Default body scanners in European airports

Why did Nomen Nescio repost an old message?

The mixmaster network is quite unreliable, so it often takes several
posts before it sticks. In this case a dupe was sent before the
original posted.

He's already had recommendations for UK casinos from John T and me.


Offering a catch 22 does not count as a solution. Thanks for trying
though. And more generally, doing away with privacy is generally a
poor solution when lack of privacy is the problem in the first place.

 




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