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  #71  
Old October 29th, 2011, 10:55 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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tim.... writes:

Obvioulsy, but why is that regulation there.


I've explained why.


no - you've given your opinion as to why

I am disagreeing with it, unless you can come up with something better you
cannot say that my reason is wrong

tim



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Old October 29th, 2011, 10:58 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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"tim...." wrote in message
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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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tim.... writes:

Obvioulsy, but why is that regulation there.


I've explained why.


no - you've given your opinion as to why

I am disagreeing with it, unless you can come up with something better you
cannot say that my reason is wrong


Sorry should have added:

IMO the reason for the rule is as I stated, but the PR people morphed it
into the "because these things interfere with the electronics" answer
because the real reason is one that you couldn't explain to nervous
passengers during the period when flying was less common than it is today

tim



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Old October 29th, 2011, 10:16 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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Tom P wrote:

There is no regulation that prohibits receiving devices
specifically.


Try discussing that with the flight attendant.


Over the past few days I flew between these airports (in no particular
order) on a combination of Alaskan and Air Canada:

SEA, YYZ, LAX, YVR

The inflight pre-recorded announcement on AC stated that I was to
disable any "transmitting or receiving functions" for any electronic
devices I might be operating in the plane. Horizon's pre-recorded
announcement went further by specifically saying that "AM/FM radios and
GPS receivers" can't be used in the plane at any time.

Naturally I ignored these directives at my leisure during these flights.

I also took some out-the-window video shots during take-off and landing
(if it happened to be during daylight) using my point-and-shoot
pocket-sized digital camera.

I had an exit-row window seat for all but one flight.

Tangent: I have this gut feeling that SEA airport is way larger than it
should be (in terms of terminal size, number of gates, etc) to
accomodate that area's airport needs.
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Old October 29th, 2011, 10:18 PM posted to rec.travel.air
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Tom P wrote:

But I love using my GPS while on flights.


I agree - except that I have had an FA tell me to turn it off and
no discussions allowed.


I bet she thought it was a cell-phone.
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Old October 30th, 2011, 07:04 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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tim.... writes:

I am disagreeing with it, unless you can come up with something better you
cannot say that my reason is wrong


You can believe whatever you want.
  #76  
Old October 30th, 2011, 07:05 AM posted to rec.travel.air
Mxsmanic
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tim.... writes:

IMO the reason for the rule is as I stated, but the PR people morphed it
into the "because these things interfere with the electronics" answer
because the real reason is one that you couldn't explain to nervous
passengers during the period when flying was less common than it is today


You're entitled to your opinion. I'm not sure why saying that it interferes
with electronics would make passengers _less_ nervous, however.
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Old October 30th, 2011, 07:06 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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mag3 writes:

Which, brings us back to the original issue... Those same "informed passengers"
are more likely the ones to gripe about people using electronics below 10,000ft. :-)


It depends if they worry more about following regulations or more about
safety.
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Old October 30th, 2011, 07:08 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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mag3 writes:

Misinformed as they may be, they're still "in charge" on the aircraft, and can
get you into some serious trouble with the authorities, air marhsalls, TSA etc.


Not as much as they or passengers often believe, however.

Since it's left up to them to determine violations of the "Interfering with a flight
crew" law, I wouldn't mess with them.


It's not up to them. It's up to a court of law. And merely interfering with a
flight crew isn't illegal. Interfering in a way that endangers safety or
prevents them from doing their legal duty is illegal.

This is crucial, because it means that you are not required to do whatever a
flight attendant says, you're only obligated to follow instructions that are
founded on safety and legitimate crew duties. For example, a flight attendant
cannot tell all black passengers to move to the back of the plane because they
are black, and no passenger is obligated to follow such an instruction.

Just simply not worth the risk, even if you might actually get away with it.


If you don't defend your rights, you lose them.
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Old October 30th, 2011, 07:09 AM posted to rec.travel.air
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William Black writes:

And when did you last do this?


No flight attendant has ever made a mistake with respect to me that required
being set straight.
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Old October 30th, 2011, 07:11 AM posted to rec.travel.air
Mxsmanic
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Fly Guy writes:

I had an exit-row window seat for all but one flight.


In an exit-row seat you have special responsibilities that are incompatible
with operation of gadgets below 10,000 feet.
 




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