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Are Cruise deals over?
What! Peter, that is horrible! I can't see them being able to enforce
something like this very well. I and most everyone else have been lead to believe that it is the same policy that CCL has in that it only amounts to the 'advertised' rates and not what one actually pays. Jim "Peter Berlin" wrote in message hlink.net... Jeff, This is accurate. Royal Caribbean has been very specific about what is permitted and what is not permitted and all Travel Agencies are specifically prohibited from rebating, and will be penalized if involved in the practice. Certain types of gifts are permitted, but not shipboard credits or rebates (unless issued by the cruise line). RCI said that if it quacks, it's a duck...and they will know about it. Traditional gifts such as travel bags and wine will still be permitted and the norm. Negotiated group rates will rule the "best deals" column. There will be some businesses changing their business model. Peter Jeff Coudriet wrote: I think this is inaccurate....I believe in the change in policy was agents are not allowed to "advertise" rates lower than what they authorize. I believe agents are still allowed to rebate commission, etc., they just can't advertise that fact. Not that I'm saying this is a good policy either, but it's a fine point at the very least. Jeff Guido wrote: LAST BLAST... It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity, but they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow ANY of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise price that is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big penalties to travel agent offenders if they are caught. What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on sailing on Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you typically book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house, booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their commission and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on 8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few travel agencies!! -- Peter Berlin Peter Berlin's Travel Center http://peterberlin.com The Great Luxury Cruise http://peterberlin.com/groups/glc2005/ The Great Group Cruise 2005 http://ggc2005.com "We've Got The Spirit" Join us on the Millennium and Spirit Bash...Oct. 31 and Dec. 5, 2004 |
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Are Cruise deals over?
so I guess this means that I won't be able to shop online anymore for
the lowest price. I'll have to call the agents on the phone to get their pricing for the cruises I am interested in. The online TAs won't be able to display their discounted price next to the cruiseline price. This will change things a bit. Jim wrote: What! Peter, that is horrible! I can't see them being able to enforce something like this very well. I and most everyone else have been lead to believe that it is the same policy that CCL has in that it only amounts to the 'advertised' rates and not what one actually pays. Jim "Peter Berlin" wrote in message thlink.net... Jeff, This is accurate. Royal Caribbean has been very specific about what is permitted and what is not permitted and all Travel Agencies are specifically prohibited from rebating, and will be penalized if involved in the practice. Certain types of gifts are permitted, but not shipboard credits or rebates (unless issued by the cruise line). RCI said that if it quacks, it's a duck...and they will know about it. Traditional gifts such as travel bags and wine will still be permitted and the norm. Negotiated group rates will rule the "best deals" column. There will be some businesses changing their business model. Peter Jeff Coudriet wrote: I think this is inaccurate....I believe in the change in policy was agents are not allowed to "advertise" rates lower than what they authorize. I believe agents are still allowed to rebate commission, etc., they just can't advertise that fact. Not that I'm saying this is a good policy either, but it's a fine point at the very least. Jeff Guido wrote: LAST BLAST... It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity, but they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow ANY of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise price that is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big penalties to travel agent offenders if they are caught. What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on sailing on Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you typically book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house, booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their commission and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on 8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few travel agencies!! -- Peter Berlin Peter Berlin's Travel Center http://peterberlin.com The Great Luxury Cruise http://peterberlin.com/groups/glc2005/ The Great Group Cruise 2005 http://ggc2005.com "We've Got The Spirit" Join us on the Millennium and Spirit Bash...Oct. 31 and Dec. 5, 2004 |
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so I guess this means that I won't be able to shop online anymore for
the lowest price. I'll have to call the agents on the phone to get their pricing for the cruises I am interested in. The online TAs won't be able to display their discounted price next to the cruiseline price. This will change things a bit. Jim wrote: What! Peter, that is horrible! I can't see them being able to enforce something like this very well. I and most everyone else have been lead to believe that it is the same policy that CCL has in that it only amounts to the 'advertised' rates and not what one actually pays. Jim "Peter Berlin" wrote in message thlink.net... Jeff, This is accurate. Royal Caribbean has been very specific about what is permitted and what is not permitted and all Travel Agencies are specifically prohibited from rebating, and will be penalized if involved in the practice. Certain types of gifts are permitted, but not shipboard credits or rebates (unless issued by the cruise line). RCI said that if it quacks, it's a duck...and they will know about it. Traditional gifts such as travel bags and wine will still be permitted and the norm. Negotiated group rates will rule the "best deals" column. There will be some businesses changing their business model. Peter Jeff Coudriet wrote: I think this is inaccurate....I believe in the change in policy was agents are not allowed to "advertise" rates lower than what they authorize. I believe agents are still allowed to rebate commission, etc., they just can't advertise that fact. Not that I'm saying this is a good policy either, but it's a fine point at the very least. Jeff Guido wrote: LAST BLAST... It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity, but they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow ANY of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise price that is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big penalties to travel agent offenders if they are caught. What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on sailing on Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you typically book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house, booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their commission and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on 8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few travel agencies!! -- Peter Berlin Peter Berlin's Travel Center http://peterberlin.com The Great Luxury Cruise http://peterberlin.com/groups/glc2005/ The Great Group Cruise 2005 http://ggc2005.com "We've Got The Spirit" Join us on the Millennium and Spirit Bash...Oct. 31 and Dec. 5, 2004 |
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Are Cruise deals over?
"Guido" LAST BLAST... It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity, but they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow ANY of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise price that is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big penalties to travel agent offenders if they are caught. What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on sailing on Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you typically book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house, booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their commission and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on 8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few travel agencies!! No Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. The agencies are not allowed to advertise rates below the published rates. Doesn't mean they can't give them. The genie is out of the bottle and he ain't going back in. Scott |
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Are Cruise deals over?
Okay, I looked into this and we even have it confirmed and it is being
discussed on our website in the RCI board. Yes it is true that prices are fixed and agents cannot offer any rebate on their commission or sell the cruise for less than the advertised price. Seems like there is options available for group cruises or special pricing for special events but the agency itself is bound by the rule of all selling at the same price and it goes beyond just advertising. The cannot even offer a lesser price if you talk to them on the phone. Seems very stupid on the cruiselines part and pretty much smacks the free trade concept in the face. Here is what we are talking about on our message boards; http://www.cruisemates.com/MBindex/cruiselines.cfm Jim Community Staff Leader Cruisemates Inc. "Scotty" wrote in message link.net... "Guido" LAST BLAST... It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity, but they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow ANY of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise price that is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big penalties to travel agent offenders if they are caught. What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on sailing on Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you typically book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house, booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their commission and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on 8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few travel agencies!! No Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. The agencies are not allowed to advertise rates below the published rates. Doesn't mean they can't give them. The genie is out of the bottle and he ain't going back in. Scott |
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Okay, I looked into this and we even have it confirmed and it is being
discussed on our website in the RCI board. Yes it is true that prices are fixed and agents cannot offer any rebate on their commission or sell the cruise for less than the advertised price. Seems like there is options available for group cruises or special pricing for special events but the agency itself is bound by the rule of all selling at the same price and it goes beyond just advertising. The cannot even offer a lesser price if you talk to them on the phone. Seems very stupid on the cruiselines part and pretty much smacks the free trade concept in the face. Here is what we are talking about on our message boards; http://www.cruisemates.com/MBindex/cruiselines.cfm Jim Community Staff Leader Cruisemates Inc. "Scotty" wrote in message link.net... "Guido" LAST BLAST... It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity, but they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow ANY of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise price that is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big penalties to travel agent offenders if they are caught. What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on sailing on Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you typically book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house, booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their commission and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on 8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few travel agencies!! No Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. The agencies are not allowed to advertise rates below the published rates. Doesn't mean they can't give them. The genie is out of the bottle and he ain't going back in. Scott |
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Are Cruise deals over?
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:47:04 GMT, Peter Berlin
wrote: Jeff, This is accurate. Royal Caribbean has been very specific about what is permitted and what is not permitted and all Travel Agencies are specifically prohibited from rebating, and will be penalized if involved in the practice. Certain types of gifts are permitted, but not shipboard credits or rebates (unless issued by the cruise line). RCI said that if it quacks, it's a duck...and they will know about it. Traditional gifts such as travel bags and wine will still be permitted and the norm. Negotiated group rates will rule the "best deals" column. There will be some businesses changing their business model. Peter Wow, now THAT is news. Also the single thing most likely to make me cruise less. And just as I had become a Celebrity cruiser LOL. I guess the big TA's who can put together groups will get an even bigger piece of the pie. Am I correct, Peter, that a TA can put together a group and then sell cabins retail? Mason Barge "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." -- Abraham Lincoln |
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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:47:04 GMT, Peter Berlin
wrote: Jeff, This is accurate. Royal Caribbean has been very specific about what is permitted and what is not permitted and all Travel Agencies are specifically prohibited from rebating, and will be penalized if involved in the practice. Certain types of gifts are permitted, but not shipboard credits or rebates (unless issued by the cruise line). RCI said that if it quacks, it's a duck...and they will know about it. Traditional gifts such as travel bags and wine will still be permitted and the norm. Negotiated group rates will rule the "best deals" column. There will be some businesses changing their business model. Peter Wow, now THAT is news. Also the single thing most likely to make me cruise less. And just as I had become a Celebrity cruiser LOL. I guess the big TA's who can put together groups will get an even bigger piece of the pie. Am I correct, Peter, that a TA can put together a group and then sell cabins retail? Mason Barge "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." -- Abraham Lincoln |
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Are Cruise deals over?
If this is true, it sounds like:
1. illegal price fixing 2. lots of lost business and empty ships. I doubt the cruise lines can afford either. John "Jim" wrote in message ... Okay, I looked into this and we even have it confirmed and it is being discussed on our website in the RCI board. Yes it is true that prices are fixed and agents cannot offer any rebate on their commission or sell the cruise for less than the advertised price. Seems like there is options available for group cruises or special pricing for special events but the agency itself is bound by the rule of all selling at the same price and it goes beyond just advertising. The cannot even offer a lesser price if you talk to them on the phone. Seems very stupid on the cruiselines part and pretty much smacks the free trade concept in the face. Here is what we are talking about on our message boards; http://www.cruisemates.com/MBindex/cruiselines.cfm Jim Community Staff Leader Cruisemates Inc. "Scotty" wrote in message link.net... "Guido" LAST BLAST... It was a HUGE move by the executives at Royal Caribbean and Celebrity, but they have mandated that effective 8/16/04 (Monday) they will not allow ANY of their product to be discounted and sold below the gross cruise price that is available thru the cruise line itself. They have instituted big penalties to travel agent offenders if they are caught. What does this mean for you? It means that if you are planning on sailing on Royal Caribbean or Celebrity in either 2004 or 2005, and if you typically book thru and on-line agency, membership association, wholesale house, booking engine, or any other travel agency who discounts their commission and "rebates" this in part to you, then you MUST book before midnight on 8/15/04. This is effective ACROSS THE INDUSTRY , not just for a few travel agencies!! No Chicken Little, the sky is not falling. The agencies are not allowed to advertise rates below the published rates. Doesn't mean they can't give them. The genie is out of the bottle and he ain't going back in. Scott |
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Mason Barge wrote in
: I guess the big TA's who can put together groups will get an even bigger piece of the pie. Am I correct, Peter, that a TA can put together a group and then sell cabins retail? Mason Barge "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." -- Abraham Lincoln One can make a group call it Peter's Huge good Deal Group and then sell it at the group price, however, the cruise lines reserve the right to restrict the marketing of group rates. In the past this has not been a problem, they might want to be a little more selective if they really mean what they say in regard to pricing. the practice that I would like to know more about is advance purchase bulk space for resell. What are the restrictions to be on advertising that kind of product? |
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