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Britain turning on US- at its own peril
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2006/...n_is_turn.html
Published 10/24/06 Britain is turning on the U.S. - at its own peril "Anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism have poisoned British politics. In a world of terrorism, the timing couldn't be worse. Everyone knows that Europe is a continent stuffed with craven, terror-appeasing fromages who loathe America. Britain, by contrast, led by the lion-hearted Tony Blair, is full of stalwarts who stand shoulder to shoulder with the United States in the defense of the West. Right? Wrong. Fury at Prime Minister Blair for being President Bush's "poodle" has reached such a pitch that the most successful Labor prime minister in memory is being forced out of office because of his support for U.S. policy in Iraq and Israel. Labor's members of Parliament say his refusal to break with America by calling for an earlier cease-fire in Lebanon was the last straw. The disturbing fact is that Britain is consumed by a rampant anti-Americanism and an allied hostility toward Israel, which are driving public debate into irrationality, prejudice and appeasement. (Illustration by Keith Simmons, USA TODAY) Backlash to the U.S. In a Populus poll last month in The Times of London, 62% said the government should change its policy by distancing itself from the United States, being more critical of Israel and declaring a timetable for withdrawing from Iraq. An August YouGov poll in The Spectator magazine revealed that while 53% wanted a tougher anti-terrorism policy, 45% wanted to be allied more closely with the European Union than with America. Only 14% supported closer U.S. ties. As a result, the prospects for the alliance between Britain and the United States in the post-Blair era do not look promising. Despite being an instinctive Atlanticist, Gordon Brown, the most likely successor as Labor prime minister, is thought to be only a reluctant backer of the war in Iraq, according to a new autobiography by former Labor minister David Blunkett. Meanwhile David Cameron, the new young leader of the opposition Conservative Party, made a speech last month distancing himself from U.S. foreign policy and blaming America for fanning the flames of anti-Americanism. The outcome might be that Britain increasingly snuggles up to the EU over foreign policy while an irritated America, bereft of its principal advocate in Europe, moves toward isolationism. Much of Britain's anti-Americanism is driven by the usual suspects, such as far-left lawmaker George Galloway or newspapers such as the ultra-left Guardian. Galloway, for instance, said during an interview with GQ magazine earlier this year that the assassination of Blair by a suicide bomber would be "morally justified." Left-wing discourse, now staple fare on the BBC and applauded even by conservatively minded audiences in panel discussions, proclaims that the United States is the fount of Third World oppression and the greatest threat to world peace. But British animosity toward the U.K.'s most important and historic ally is wider and deeper. Partly it derives from simple snobbery, the long-standing British belief that Americans are vulgar upstarts who lack the gravitas that Britain has accrued from a thousand years of history. Probe further, however, and you discover anguish at the progressive junking of that history. Schools, for example, no longer teach the history or values of the British nation on the grounds that national identity based on a majority culture is viewed as "racist." Instead, they promote multiculturalism, the doctrine that minority value must have equal status to those of the majority. Loss of confidence in Britain's role in the world has demoralized its governing class so badly that it has come to believe that the nation state is the principal source of all ills from prejudice to war, and that legitimacy resides instead in supranational institutions. So no international action can be taken without sanctification by that holy of holies, the United Nations. As a result, the British regard Bush's "unilateral" foreign policy with undiluted horror. This is made worse by disdain for Bush himself, regarded as a tongue-tied cowboy who actually believes in God - to the post-religious British, the nearest thing to a certificate of lunacy. The biggest single cause of British anti-Americanism, however, is Israel. Despite being the target for more than half a century of genocidal Arab and Muslim aggression, Israel is widely perceived in Britain as the regional bully, and its acts of self-defense are viewed as the principal motor behind both the Middle East impasse and Islamic grievance because of its supposed refusal to allow the Palestinians to have a state of their own. Thus John Denham, chairman of the parliamentary Home Affairs Select Committee, wrote that Israel's policies were making Britain a target for terror. America brought the 9/11 attacks upon itself, goes this type of thinking, because of its support for Israel - and the only reason Britain is now threatened by Islamic terror is because of Blair's support for the United States. Open season on Jews This has opened a Pandora's box of anti-Jewish prejudice in Britain. A recent report by the Parliamentary Committee Against Anti-semitism found that since 2000, anti-Semitism is on the rise in Britain. It is now common to read in the news media, for example, that the Jews are engaged in a global conspiracy that has subverted U.S. foreign policy to serve the interests of Israel and put the rest of the world at risk. In April, for instance, The Independent newspaper illustrated an interview on the subject of the "Israel lobby" in America with a picture of the American flag in which the stars of the union were replaced with the Stars of David. The headline: "The United States of Israel." Thus the prejudice against America is inextricably conflated with prejudice against Jews and the Jewish state. The dismaying truth is that, even after the suicide bombings in London, America's defense of the free world against Islamic terror is widely viewed in Britain as the cause of that terror. The paranoid bigotry that drives the jihad - that the United States and its Jewish puppet masters make up a giant conspiracy of evil - is being increasingly echoed within Britain's non-Muslim population. The very idea that weakening the alliance with the United States would be in Britain's interests is madness. But in a country that has lost its way, rationality is a commodity in short supply." |
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Britain turning on US- at its own peril
"PJ O'Donovan" wrote:
http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2006/...n_is_turn.html Published 10/24/06 Britain is turning on the U.S. - at its own peril I read it, Peej. It's crap. Now **** off. -- PB The return address has been MUNGED My travel writing: http://www.iol.ie/~draoi/ |
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PJ O'Donovan wrote: http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2006/...n_is_turn.html Published 10/24/06 Britain is turning on the U.S. - at its own peril Yeah at the peril of economic blackmail. "Anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism have poisoned British politics. In a world of terrorism, the timing couldn't be worse. Why? They own a significant chunk of US debt along with the rest of Europe and their currencies are stronger than ours. You state that they're anti-semitic for what? Criticising Israel? Everyone knows that Europe is a continent stuffed with craven, terror-appeasing fromages who loathe America. Sure, because America has been hijacked by Neocons and special interests that have stolen the consitution and made the US a shadow of it's former self. Britain, by contrast, led by the lion-hearted Tony Blair, is full of stalwarts who stand shoulder to shoulder with the United States in the defense of the West. Right? Wrong. Fury at Prime Minister Blair for being President Bush's "poodle" has reached such a pitch that the most successful Labor prime minister in memory is being forced out of office because of his support for U.S. policy in Iraq and Israel. Labor's members of Parliament say his refusal to break with America by calling for an earlier cease-fire in Lebanon was the last straw. The disturbing fact is that Britain is consumed by a rampant anti-Americanism and an allied hostility toward Israel, which are driving public debate into irrationality, prejudice and appeasement. This sounds like its more about Zionists getting ****ed off with Britain about Israel than anything else. Sorry! Did you think you had a stanglehold on Britain via Blair?? Oops! (Illustration by Keith Simmons, USA TODAY) Backlash to the U.S. In a Populus poll last month in The Times of London, 62% said the government should change its policy by distancing itself from the United States, being more critical of Israel and declaring a timetable for withdrawing from Iraq. Whats wrong with that? Vox populi, vox Dei etc. An August YouGov poll in The Spectator magazine revealed that while 53% wanted a tougher anti-terrorism policy, 45% wanted to be allied more closely with the European Union than with America. Only 14% supported closer U.S. ties. Sure, after the Lancet study about over 600k deaths in Iraq, Israel killing Lebanese civilians indiscriminately, torture, secret dungeons, warrantless wiretapping - who would want to be associated with that apart from Bolsheviks? Not to mention that the war on Iraq was based on lies and so was the invasion of Lebanon, in an attempt to get to Syria. The Brit public is much less dumbed down than the folks over here. As a result, the prospects for the alliance between Britain and the United States in the post-Blair era do not look promising. Despite being an instinctive Atlanticist, Gordon Brown, the most likely successor as Labor prime minister, is thought to be only a reluctant backer of the war in Iraq, according to a new autobiography by former Labor minister David Blunkett. Nothing wrong with that either - he knows the war was based on lies. Meanwhile David Cameron, the new young leader of the opposition Conservative Party, made a speech last month distancing himself from U.S. foreign policy and blaming America for fanning the flames of anti-Americanism. The outcome might be that Britain increasingly snuggles up to the EU over foreign policy while an irritated America, bereft of its principal advocate in Europe, moves toward isolationism. America needs a new government pronto. The Neocons have destroyed our image globally. Much of Britain's anti-Americanism is driven by the usual suspects, such as far-left lawmaker George Galloway or newspapers such as the ultra-left Guardian. Galloway, for instance, said during an interview with GQ magazine earlier this year that the assassination of Blair by a suicide bomber would be "morally justified." If he did, that's excessive, but you guys just have a problem with Galloway due to the fact he ripped Coleman a new one on public TV - biggest public humiliation I recall seeing. Left-wing discourse, now staple fare on the BBC and applauded even by conservatively minded audiences in panel discussions, proclaims that the United States is the fount of Third World oppression and the greatest threat to world peace. So we need to correct that impression by electing a new government that's not bought and paid for in advance. Simple. But British animosity toward the U.K.'s most important and historic ally is wider and deeper. Partly it derives from simple snobbery, the long-standing British belief that Americans are vulgar upstarts who lack the gravitas that Britain has accrued from a thousand years of history. This is total junk. They are upset because they have been lied into a war and have seen utter Mayhem on the Neocon watch, bombs in London and the total disregard of the ANGLO-SAXON vision, values, history and ethics that the US was founded upon. Probe further, however, and you discover anguish at the progressive junking of that history. Schools, for example, no longer teach the history or values of the British nation on the grounds that national identity based on a majority culture is viewed as "racist." Instead, they promote multiculturalism, the doctrine that minority value must have equal status to those of the majority. Loss of confidence in Britain's role in the world has demoralized its governing class so badly that it has come to believe that the nation state is the principal source of all ills from prejudice to war, and that legitimacy resides instead in supranational institutions. More nonsense. The UK was witnessed a major attempt at Ukranianization on Blair's watch. Out in the countryside, the Brits remember who they are. And that memory doesn't include Gulags, torture and dictators. So no international action can be taken without sanctification by that holy of holies, the United Nations. As a result, the British regard Bush's "unilateral" foreign policy with undiluted horror. This is made worse by disdain for Bush himself, regarded as a tongue-tied cowboy who actually believes in God - to the post-religious British, the nearest thing to a certificate of lunacy. When someone claims to be Christian, other Christians are free to scrutinize their actions in the light of Jesus's teachings. Simple. They ARE horrified. The biggest single cause of British anti-Americanism, however, is Israel. Despite being the target for more than half a century of genocidal Arab and Muslim aggression, Israel is widely perceived in Britain as the regional bully, and its acts of self-defense are viewed as the principal motor behind both the Middle East impasse and Islamic grievance because of its supposed refusal to allow the Palestinians to have a state of their own. Actually Israel has killed 40:1 more Arabs that Arabs have killed Israelis. Genocide? Thus John Denham, chairman of the parliamentary Home Affairs Select Committee, wrote that Israel's policies were making Britain a target for terror. America brought the 9/11 attacks upon itself, goes this type of thinking, because of its support for Israel - and the only reason Britain is now threatened by Islamic terror is because of Blair's support for the United States. Which is threatened because of unquestioned support for Israel and Arab dictatorships which guarantee cheap oil at the expense of their own people. Open season on Jews This has opened a Pandora's box of anti-Jewish prejudice in Britain. A recent report by the Parliamentary Committee Against Anti-semitism found that since 2000, anti-Semitism is on the rise in Britain. It is now common to read in the news media, for example, that the Jews are engaged in a global conspiracy that has subverted U.S. foreign policy to serve the interests of Israel and put the rest of the world at risk. In April, for instance, The Independent newspaper illustrated an interview on the subject of the "Israel lobby" in America with a picture of the American flag in which the stars of the union were replaced with the Stars of David. The headline: "The United States of Israel." Thus the prejudice against America is inextricably conflated with prejudice against Jews and the Jewish state. The Israel Lobby was exposed by Jews and we all saw the Abramoff/AIPAC fiasco. Are you pretending it didn't happen? My guess: It was the tip of the iceberg. The dismaying truth is that, even after the suicide bombings in London, America's defense of the free world against Islamic terror is widely viewed in Britain as the cause of that terror. What defense on terror? Where's Bin Laden, Omar? What was Al Qaeda's ORBAT on 911? What is it now? Afghanistan and Iraq are on the verge of collapse and there are now myriads of AQ clones. War on terror? Don't make me laugh. The paranoid bigotry that drives the jihad - that the United States and its Jewish puppet masters make up a giant conspiracy of evil - is being increasingly echoed within Britain's non-Muslim population. Israel has come to compromise with its neighbours or discontinue itself. The very idea that weakening the alliance with the United States would be in Britain's interests is madness. But in a country that has lost its way, rationality is a commodity in short supply." What a load of garbage. Their voters at least know when they have been hijacked by special interests. We'll see in November if ours do. -- MikeOscarPapa Are entities outside of your state BUYING your candidates? Go to http://www.opensecrets.org - check your zip code or enter the name of your politician - (Who's my rep?) Click the links to the politicians - then click the Geographic Total to the left to see where their campaign money comes from. If they get more money from outside of your state how are they accountable to YOU? Vote for candidates supported by majority donations from their own people in their own state instead! |
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Following up to FiveTwoAlphaOne MikeOscarPapa.org :
You state that they're anti-semitic for what? Criticising Israel? "If you're not with us, you're against us" seems to be the Fox News watchers' motto. -- Tim C. |
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 08:48:45 -0400, FiveTwoAlphaOne
MikeOscarPapa.org wrote: This is made worse by disdain for Bush himself, regarded as a tongue-tied cowboy who actually believes in God - to the post-religious British, the nearest thing to a certificate of lunacy. true When someone claims to be Christian, other Christians are free to scrutinize their actions in the light of Jesus's teachings. Simple. They ARE horrified. also true! The biggest single cause of British anti-Americanism, however, is Israel. Despite being the target for more than half a century of genocidal Arab and Muslim aggression, Israel is widely perceived in Britain as the regional bully, and its acts of self-defense its interesting the the americans can be so blind to the arab side of the case that they see even handedness as anti semitism. I had expected to see no more of these posts (I notice "fromage" was mentioned in one part of the anti europe rant) now that Iraq is near the point of disaster. Does this mean there are still americans who think "shock and awe" worked? Or is it just simple trolling? -- Mike Reid Wasdale "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/page01.htm" (see website for email) |
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The Reid wrote:
I had expected to see no more of these posts (I notice "fromage" was mentioned in one part of the anti europe rant) now that Iraq is near the point of disaster. Does this mean there are still americans who think "shock and awe" worked? Or is it just simple trolling? It's Peej who posted it. He's not really a troll, in that he is not teasing or baiting us. He really believes the stuff. Judge for yourself whether you should take him seriously. -- PB The return address has been MUNGED My travel writing: http://www.iol.ie/~draoi/ |
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PJ O'Donovan wrote:
newspapers such as the ultra-left Guardian snip *PLONK* |
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:23:46 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
wrote: Or is it just simple trolling? It's Peej who posted it. He's not really a troll, in that he is not teasing or baiting us. He really believes the stuff. I get that impression. Judge for yourself whether you should take him seriously. I understand 20% of Americans still think the war is going OK. I reckon they know that all they have to do is cause continuing casualties and US will eventually pull out. -- Mike Reid Wasdale "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/page01.htm" (see website for email) |
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